Stubble fields- do you go in them with/without permission??

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Children!!! playing in fields, OMG how disgraceful.

Bet they were townies too - who simply shouldn't be allowed in the countryside.

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Toddlers playing in a herd of horses without any adult in sight? That's ok is it? Wow, so I should have left them alone and let them "enjoy the experience" of 700kg animals....

Yes if older children are playing in the field we tell them to go use the village hall which has a football goal, lots of grass and a basketball court. There is no reason why they should be in our fields and they are trespassing.

And you might say "oh what's the harm", but I am still picking out bits of broken toy, which someone will find in their bale of hay. Plus farms are the most dangerous places for children to play!
 
As I stated earlier I have permission to ride across my neighbours stubble fields.

I was meaning the bridleways we are not supposed to canter on!
 
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You go to the farmer and ask 'please can i ride in your field' and even offer a bit of cash as it would obviously be worth it to you.

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I think that was meant to be sarcastic... but I would actually do this if I knew who to ask!! It's not like the fields have a sign outside that say "This field is owned by farmer Joe Wilson of 2 Stubble field lane"
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I have permission to ride in the best fields round us as I am friends with farmer. I wouldn't go in any others though. Especially as I rent my fields from a farmer who hates horses and chases trespassers!
 
I got caught yesterday!! Luckily the owners of the horses I look after have permission to ride across the farmer's land and seeing as I was on one of their horses, I got away with it. He was bloomin scary though so I'd have felt for someone that didn't have permission!
 
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Can't believe I started this thread, didn't expect it to turn out like this
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Good thread
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A nice warm debate is a healthy thing
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If you are lucky enough to have lots of land, why would you NOT share the enjoyment of it with others?

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i live in a flat with no garden so on the next hot day shall i just stroll into our next door's garden and light up the BBQ??

afterall, they are 'lucky' enough to have a garden, why can't i enjoy it???

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Because there are privacy issues since gardens tends to be rather close to houses thus being rather different to say 1000 acres of land. Hope this helps.

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not really the point though is it?

and what if they had a really BIG garden?
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or is there a certain size of land when it becomes ok to trespass?

i don't really understand why you can't just ask the farmer's permission- seems common courtesy to me
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just go up any farm lane and speak to someone, if its not their land they will know who's it is.

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If my horse comes sound enough to do that, I may well do.... but is it not considered extremely rude and cheeky to ask though
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Surely you cannot damage a stubble field though as a stubble field is one where the eheat etc has been harvested so there isn't any wheat etc on it?! ..........

A stubble field is going to be ploughed up shortly after being stubble so horses hooves on it is surely no more 'damage' than it being ploughed?

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Unless it has been undersown with next year's crop. Our neighbour often does this and the new crop, (often grass for haylage) is sometimes not that obvious.
 
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I ride and god forbid - gallop - along our bridlepaths and so does every other rider around here. I certainly wouldn't expect everybody to walk along it all year round for fear of churning it up. Where else are we meant to get our horses fit?

Good for you if you've got your own land but there's no need to be like a child with it with the i'm not sharing attitude. Some of us don't, and have to rely on generous farmers and landowners so we can ride. It would take all the enjoyment out of it if every farmer suddenly turned around and said "Nope sorry, can't ride here what if you fall off? What if your horse put his foot in a rabbit hole?"

Maybe put signs up on all the gates saying "You ride here at your own risk" or something.
 
Ruder and cheekier not to ask!

All they can say is 'no', in which case wander onto the next farm and hope that your horse drops one on their drive if they are mean to you while saying no
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If my horse comes sound enough to do that, I may well do.... but is it not considered extremely rude and cheeky to ask though
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No, much better to ask. Getting caught when you do have permission is far, far worse!

I would say something along the lines of "of course I won't damage any crops or cut the ground up when its wet" (and then stick to this!)
 
Why is it rude to ask? It is good manners, yes they may so no but then again they may say yes, which seeing as you've had the decency to ask would probably be more likely. AND he may be young and hunky
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It's not quite as simple as 'no trespass' in Scotland. Although there is a right to roam, it rests on you not doing any damage. I think a farmer could probably argue that horse hooves do damage their fields (whether it's stubble that is going to be ploughed up or not). I always ask before using, as a few other people have said, it's just rude to assume you can use someone else's land, and I would be cross if another rider didn't ask permission and made life difficult for me.
 
I wasn't aware i was being childish, we PAY for our land, you are also able to do this, it is not difficult. I am perfectly willing to share and do so with people who have the common courtesy and respect for the fact that 'our land' is a business.
 
As soloequestrian says, in Scotland the right comes with responsibilities - landowners can be (and have been) prosecuted for denying access, but riders and ramblers are supposed to adhere to a code of practice. In reality, I don't go anywhere now that I didn't go before the Land Reform Act came into force; I always ask permission (and have never been refused). But only once in my life have I gone for an unauthorised blast up a stubble field and ended up with a lame horse that I had to walk three miles home.
 
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I pitty anyone whoever dared go in our stubble fields without permission.
What an utterly stupid thing to do, I would never ride my horse through anyone's garden, why would farmers fields be ANY different?!

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I'm another one that agrees whole heartedly with this statement. I am in SCotland and despite the whole 'no trespass' thing I'd NEVER consider riding over someone elses land without permission - stubble fields or otherwise. We are farmers but it makes no difference to me, I never assume our neighbours would be happy to let me back on their land, I stay out of our own hay fields for 5 months each year and see no reason whatsoever that anyone else should consider themselves to have the right to go wherever it suits them. There are a few marked rides over farms round here and this has it's benefits, however farmers will never feel any better about riders over their land when we have gates left open on a regular basis, people galloping through fields with ewes and young lambs or cows and calves.
 
The farmer/YO was happy for us to use his stubble fields - but he is a tenant farmer on part of a large estate and the contractors for the estate now do his crops to - this means huge combines etc in the fields and they run to a tight schedule. In the interests of the estate, riders and the shoot, who all use the land, the estate have set up a TROT route of 18 miles of off road hacking which they maintain year round for a subscription. It works for everyone as it gets the horses off the roads so you can avoid the combines, tractors etc, the contractors don't worry about horses, accidents etc and the shoot say where they will be on shoot days - so everyone is happy. Giving up 2/3 weeks of hooning around stubble fileds for this was well worth it. Obviously there are still a couple of riders who think the rules don't apply to them......

We are however luckier tham most.
 
Several different issues here.....

Concern re damage......understandable

Irritation that people do not ask permission......again, understandable.

Its mine and I dont see why you should (and no other reason given)........downright selfish in my book.....obviously weren't taught to share as a child
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It doesn't seem to be a case of "I don't see why you should", more a case of "I don't see why you should think you have the right to..." I agree that sharing is desirable but that is not the same as assuming you have the right to demand that someone share. (Sorry if that doesn't make sense - haven't had my afternoon cuppa yet!)
 
That is exactly it - we'd be happy if people came and said 'Is it ok?' If it wasn't we could give them an alternative option, we're not going to stop them altogether unless it was a real safety issue - but the attitude is the real bugbear with some.
 
That's my experience with most landowners - I've never met one yet who wasn't happy for me to ride over their land once I've asked them.
 
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