Tell me about invisible fencing

[poiuytrewq]

As title! Recommendations would also be great
I want the sort that you don't have to dig cables in. Preferably half pocket friendly but i know its going to be costly.

 

[twiggy2]

It works well for some but can cause issues for others.
Some dogs will run out through it after something and then can't get back in, it doesn't protect your dogs from others coming in and it can really increase frustration and or fear for others.
Price wise and what's avaliable I am not sure but I have known a few people put it in over the years and have also known some the replace it with traditional fencing.
Also dogs need to be trained to it and it's aversion trying so you would need to decide if you wanted to do that.

 

[poiuytrewq]

We put up a line or normal electric wire on the reco of a forum member which worked brilliantly. I cant cover the gates though as we only have one garden and delivery/post men need to get to the door. I don't want to be shocking any visitors etc.
Before he realized the gates and a bit of wall between were not covered he just happily stayed in with no trying to get out so i think he would get the hang of it. Problem being he has realized which bits he can still fly over.

 

[splashgirl45]

A friend tried the freedom fence and her collies respected it at first but then the hunting urge took over and they ran through it but wouldn’t come back so hung around outside until it was turned off , so friend gave up and kept one tied up with a lunge line so they could move around , and kept swapping them over so both had equal time tied up, this worked as a single dog wasn’t brave enough to go hunting on her own

 

[skinnydipper]

Could you fence (not electric) an area of garden for him to keep him safe if he is left outside.

@JBM built an outside enclosure for her dogs. Something similar to that?

 

[Clodagh]

If you put electric up covering the gates, with plenty of notices for the postie, he’ll probably be ok once he’s learned?
Or borrow an electric collar, hide and watch and zap him as he jumps.

 

[JBM]

Yes it was expensive but worth it
I went a bit mad and got 50 meters but they love it
These pictures taken the day it went up so don’t mind the mud
The tiny digger did some damage

 

[JBM]

There are some invisible boarders collars but without the wire they work in a circle so only fits certain kinda arenas
Petsafe do both types just look at minimum radius for the wireless ones

 

[CorvusCorax]

A dog run with a roof would be the safest thing. JBM's setup is excellent but my wee one would be out over the top of it. I've had her at a few boarding kennels and they've all told me they've seen her stand and size up the fences and she got out of her own before I roofed it about three times.

 

[CorvusCorax]

If you put electric up covering the gates, with plenty of notices for the postie, he’ll probably be ok once he’s learned?
Or borrow an electric collar, hide and watch and zap him as he jumps.

An electric collar needs to be conditioned like any other piece of equipment. With the best will in the world, just slapping one on and zapping a dog is why they are being banned.

 

[Clodagh]

An electric collar needs to be conditioned like any other piece of equipment. With the best will in the world, just slapping one on and zapping a dog is why they are being banned.

I’ve never used one but my theory was (and do know someone who has used one successfully said that the best thing was for the dog not to know the zap was from you.) so my theory was the dog has learned that jumping the fence equals a shock except in one small area. So if he also got a shock in that small area then he would think the whole garden was escape proof.
Fair enough though, that it was a bad idea.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I’ve never used one but my theory was (and do know someone who has used one successfully said that the best thing was for the dog not to know the zap was from you.) so my theory was the dog has learned that jumping the fence equals a shock except in one small area. So if he also got a shock in that small area then he would think the whole garden was escape proof.
Fair enough though, that it was a bad idea.

It's not about who it comes from, it's about what it's 'for' and timing. If the dog doesn't understand/hasn't learned how to learn, he could easily link the stim to something completely different, like standing on a certain bit of tarmac or looking at a bit of lawn and there, we've created a superstition about the wrong thing.
Without conditioning and reward for going through low level stress (which can take weeks and months), you can also get running in a blind panic.

The OP asked about this a while back and was told that the easiest thing was a secure run/compound and my opinion has not changed.

 

[Tiddlypom]

I’vr also posted before about how one of my equine vets used invisible fencing to try and contain his wandering JRT. The JRT used to get highly frustrated, and every so often would just sail out over it anyway, yelping as he did so, to go off wandering.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I did ask a while ago yes and did the electric strand just away from the wall at wall height which someone else had done successfully.
That worked perfectly when he was only jumping one area and previously only to find me.
He now leaps out anywhere even if I’m in the house or garden. Today was quite nice ans warm and usually I’d have the back doors open to work but there were people on the yard outside working and he wanted to go see them!
I don’t think he even got a shock when we put it up, he has in the past had one or two off the horses fence and always runs to me, hence I thought it worth a try. I *think he hears the tick and just knows not to go near.

I suppose I could link over the gates with wire and handles and add signs to the gate incase.
We now have an outdoor post box so tiny things can go in that.
I went out to meet the DHL driver today as the dogs barked at the gate and realised he was the other side saying hi to said driver.

It’s really quite a small garden, no room for a run to be added really.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I think it was maybe @Goldenstar said they had a really good system?

 

[CorvusCorax]

If he's done it a number of times with positive results (as he perceives them) and he's getting older and bolder, then it'll be harder to stop now, electric shock or not. For me the traffic/risk of him getting lifted would be too much but I guess you'll just have to take your chances.

 

[poiuytrewq]

No ok, well I don’t have the option of actually building anything or properly re-fencing the garden. I wouldn’t even be allowed. It’s not my house.
I guess I just go out with him and no one else can let him out which is a pita when I’m not around.

 

[skinnydipper]

It’s really quite a small garden, no room for a run to be added really.

That's a shame about not being able to fence the garden as I was going to suggest, as it is a small garden, you could maybe do that. Green chain link blends in and doesn't spoil the view, we used to have it across the bottom of our garden.

 

[poiuytrewq]

That's a shame about not being able to fence the garden as I was going to suggest, as it is a small garden, you could maybe do that. Green chain link blends in and doesn't spoil the view, we used to have it across the bottom of our garden.

No that’s true. We have a stone wall. I was thinking more I can’t put fence panels up or similar. Maybe something somehow above it.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Blimey, I googled “green chain Mail” for ideas.
There’s some very interesting clothing and outfits available

 

[CorvusCorax]

No ok, well I don’t have the option of actually building anything or properly re-fencing the garden. I wouldn’t even be allowed. It’s not my house.
I guess I just go out with him and no one else can let him out which is a pita when I’m not around.

My runs were put up in five minutes and could be taken down in the same amount of time.
I also live in a rental property.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I don’t actually want him shut in a run. I want to find a way to secure the garden preferably, so he can be outside and able to play with the others. I’m not needing to shut him in something for any length of time. I want to leave the back door open when it’s nice and let them potter in and out. Especially with spring on its way.
He’d be really stressed caged in.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Okie dokie, good luck.

 

[Goldenstar]

You need a Freedom fence you run a wire round the garden it starts and returns a box which is plugged into the mains like a electric fence but it’s issuing a static shock from the collar when the dog gets near to the wire .
we ran ours round twelve acres .
We ran it under our front gate in a tube you do of course have to remove the collar for the dog to leave the garden .
I opted to only take the dogs out in the car but you can train them that follow a routine when you take them out through the gate .
Google Freedom Fence you will find them they also explain how to train the dog.
Mine learnt so fast one afternoon that’s all it took for her .
You have to disciplined with checking the collar batteries are working and clipping the neck on heavy coated dogs and you watch the dogs they will test the fence is working . The unit alarms if the wire gets broken .
The collar gives the dog a warning with a buzz when they approach the fence ( I think they can vibrate if the dog is deaf ).
Honestly it made a huge difference to our lives by our I mean me and my dog.

 

[JBM]

The above is great and worked for 2/3 of my dogs
1/3 just..doesn’t care
If they’re too stubborn won’t work but if it does it’s the best thing! Gives them a lot more room for a tenth of the price

 

[cauda equina]

I had a Freedom Fence around 6 acres, it worked brilliantly and as GS says changed our lives
I also knew someone who just had one across his front gateway and that worked well too

 

[skinnydipper]

The collar gives the dog a warning with a buzz when they approach the fence

The buzz also becomes a punishment - a conditioned aversive

 

[skinnydipper]

I don’t actually want him shut in a run. I want to find a way to secure the garden preferably, so he can be outside and able to play with the others. I’m not needing to shut him in something for any length of time. I want to leave the back door open when it’s nice and let them potter in and out. Escape I ally with spring on its way.
He’d be really stressed caged in.

You think it is unkind for him to be confined in a dog run but you are happy to shock him?

 

[Tiddlypom]

No ok, well I don’t have the option of actually building anything or properly re-fencing the garden. I wouldn’t even be allowed. It’s not my house.
I guess I just go out with him and no one else can let him out which is a pita when I’m not around.

Have you actually asked your landlord whether you could put some dog proof fencing up?

It’s a working farm, surely they would understand the need to contain dogs?

As he’s already used to getting out it is much less likely that a freedom fence will work.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Okie dokie, good luck.

I’m really not being funny. It’s just not a solution for us. If I wasn’t around a lot then it would be an idea Thank you though.

Goldenstar, thank you. I think that’s one I requested a quote for.

I’d ideally love it around the actual outer farm yard area because I have them out there a lot, it’s the same wall border.
When the yards busy or the main gates are open for tractors or whatever I do need them contained in the garden.

I think it will work as the regular electric fence worked so well until he found the weak points.
I may however also give Clodagh’s suggestion of signs and going over the gates because I could do that later today and I suppose I only need it turned on when the dogs are outside and delivery people tend not to come in then anyway.