Tell me about invisible fencing

[poiuytrewq]

You think it is unkind for him to be confined in a dog run but you are happy to shock him?

I don’t at all think it’s unkind to use a dog run, not even slightly. Just that he gos bat shut crazy shut in anything and he might as well just stay in the house with the door shut.
I know he won’t go near electric once he knows as he’s had zaps from the horses fence and learned very fast, his response was also to turn back and run to me rather than away.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Have you actually asked your landlord whether you could put some dog proof fencing up?

It’s a working farm, surely they would understand the need to contain dogs?

As he’s already used to getting out it is much less likely that a freedom fence will work.

The rules are so finicky. No hay in the field, no old vehicles no this or that. It’s also such an amazing view, it would seem a shame to block it. The house is L shape and the only way In is that bit of garden

 

[poiuytrewq]

Just to add the actual owner is not a farm person he’s a investor so maybe doesn’t get it, hence the no hay in the field (obviously I do this anyway, but they eat it and I clean the rest up)
Even the horses fencing had to be green rope so it’s not so visible

 

[skinnydipper]

Chain link, stock or deer fencing would not obscure the view. But if you feel shocking your dog is the way to go

 

[Clodagh]

I may however also give Clodagh’s suggestion of signs and going over the gates because I could do that later today and I suppose I only need it turned on when the dogs are outside and delivery people tend not to come in then anyway.

At least it will cost nothing to try.

 

[Moobli]

Do you have a photo of your garden and the current wall as we might be able to make better suggestions if we can see what you are working with.
If it’s just a small garden you may be able to put stock fencing along the top of the wall or even wooden trellis and grow something up it to make it look less obvious. I’m moving into the farmhouse on the Estate later this year and I’m thinking of the various options for enclosing an area to keep my dogs safely in the garden. There is also a wall so I’m looking at trellis or chain link fencing and then growing shrubs or something up the side.

 

[Teaselmeg]

An electric fence where the collar deliveries the warning, is no better than a normal shock collar. Aversive and lots of opportunity for it to affect a dog's behaviour in other ways, as well as the dog running through the zap when it see's something really exciting, then the dog can't /won't get back in. I've heard of dogs refusing to go in the garden because the garden now equals an electric shock, no dog should live with that stress/fear.

I would keep your dog safe in the house if fencing is not an option and give him lots of enrichment stuff to do whilst you are gone.

 

[poiuytrewq]

An electric fence where the collar deliveries the warning, is no better than a normal shock collar. Aversive and lots of opportunity for it to affect a dog's behaviour in other ways, as well as the dog running through the zap when it see's something really exciting, then the dog can't /won't get back in. I've heard of dogs refusing to go in the garden because the garden now equals an electric shock, no dog should live with that stress/fear.

I would keep your dog safe in the house if fencing is not an option and give him lots of enrichment stuff to do whilst you are gone.

He is in the house when I’m not here. This is just to be able to leave the door open in summer, or let them all out for a wee without the risk of him popping off to chat to a random passer by.

 

[Goldenstar]

With the freedom fence no one can be shocked by it unless of course you have hold of the prongs on collar .
The collars are adjustable for the amount of static shock the lower you keep the longer the batteries last , I could hold mine to my palm I can not hold a electric fence .
My dog who was two started straying particularly at night life was a nightmare the final stray was her buggering because she knew I was distracted because I had dropped something ,a bottle going to the recycling box I was trying to get the glass off the paving in front of the house before a dog or cat stood in it I bent down thought where is she and she was gone I caught quickly but it was the final straw I went and booked Freedom fence to come out they did the installation as well .

 

[poiuytrewq]

Chain link, stock or deer fencing would not obscure the view. But if you feel shocking your dog is the way to go

I’ve never shocked my dog. I asked previously, the suggestions were invisible fencing or to try regular electric.
I chose to try the regular as it was cheap and if it didn’t work it didn’t matter.
It did work. He wasn’t at all stressed, he just stopped jumping it and instead sat and waited for me or just played/sniffed round like the others do.
Because I didn’t think I should cover the gates and he has worked worked that big out I figured maybe looking into the other suggestion would be an idea.
I’m also trying to think of a plan I could use something see through as you suggested (hence I was Googling it last night)
I’m not sure how I can fit it to the wall.
I also wonder if a second interior fence inside the wall might work, as he couldn’t get close enough to the wall perhaps

 

[Teaselmeg]

He is in the house when I’m not here. This is just to be able to leave the door open in summer, or let them all out for a wee without the risk of him popping off to chat to a random passer by.

If you are reasonably near to any public path/highway then I wouldn't leave him outside because he might be stolen. Dogs are stolen for many reasons and a bit of an electric shock is not going to stop anyone picking up your dog.

Mine are at home, I have a fenced garden they can go in and we live within a gated area, I still won't leave them outside, it's too risky.

 

[poiuytrewq]

With the freedom fence no one can be shocked by it unless of course you have hold of the prongs on collar .
The collars are adjustable for the amount of static shock the lower you keep the longer the batteries last , I could hold mine to my palm I can not hold a electric fence .
My dog who was two started straying particularly at night life was a nightmare the final stray was her buggering because she knew I was distracted because I had dropped something ,a bottle going to the recycling box I was trying to get the glass off the paving in front of the house before a dog or cat stood in it I bent down thought where is she and she was gone I caught quickly but it was the final straw I went and booked Freedom fence to come out they did the installation as well .

Luckily for me he doesn’t jump out in the evening/night so that’s not a problem but I can see would be a nightmare.
He also jumps straight back in when I tell him too, *touch wood* he not interested in actually running off, just saying hello to people

 

[poiuytrewq]

If you are reasonably near to any public path/highway then I wouldn't leave him outside because he might be stolen. Dogs are stolen for many reasons and a bit on an electric shock is not going to stop anyone picking up your dog.

Mine are at home, I have a fenced garden they can go in and we live within a gated area, I still won't leave them outside, it's too risky.

I don’t.
They have the door open. I’m sat in the room with the door working.
Sometimes they stay in the garden if I’m doing horses which is literally 15ft from the house.
They are never ever left in the garden

 

[skinnydipper]

I’ve never shocked my dog. I asked previously, the suggestions were invisible fencing or to try regular electric.
I chose to try the regular as it was cheap and if it didn’t work it didn’t matter.

What do you think an electric fence does? Or a 'Freedom' fence?

Anyway, your dog, your choice.

 

[poiuytrewq]

What do you think an electric fence does? Or a 'Freedom' fence?

Anyway, your dog, your choice.

I mean I have never shocked him.
I’m looking into suggestions.

 

[Parrotperson]

Biggest problem with freedom fence is if they work out how to go through it (simply run v fast was the plan for the jrt at work. He learned that b quickly so a waste of money). Or when there’s an interruption of supply the fence doesn’t work. Friends in if you have a lot of power cuts or not I guess.

 

[CorvusCorax]

I had no intention of coming back to this but as someone who has actually used (and was carefully tutored on how to use) a remote collar in the past (sod it, I'm not going to win any popularity contests on here anyway, and I haven't used one for years), it's a bit of a cop out to say that because a dog is wearing a collar and triggers it by his or her own actions, or is in any way deliberately curtailed by an electric fence, just because you (one) isn't standing there pressing a receiver, does not mean you are not shocking a dog.
I don't really enjoy the emotive language, but at the very least we need to own what we are doing, which is using an electrical pulse/current to discourage the dog from doing something, even if the sensation can be as little as being akin to pouring a bit of fizzy drink on you (which is again, my experience, fat part of the inner thumb or the cheekbone being apparently the most realistic comparative body part in a human).
IME, the best way to teach something is mechanically (and believe that using a remote training aid is/should only ever an extension of that), the best/safest way to curtail a dog is physically. Anything else is just chance/luck/hope. But I hope the OP finds a solution.