Tell me clever dog people- how do I stop this?

[poiuytrewq]

If I let the dogs in the garden, or In fact if I’m in the garden and they are inside, basically if he’s on the wrong side of a door he leaps like this.
It’s actually pretty high. It’s not going to be doing his joints any good and I’m constantly cleaning the door as it’s covered in muddy paws. It’s also going to damage the door which was new not a million years ago.
I’ve tried making him sit/wait to go through doors but he doesn’t do this if I’m with him so it’s a bit hard to stop.

Any ideas please?

 

[Splash2310]

Interested in the answers to this! Our cocker does it at the bottom of the stairs…

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

The easiest way to stop that would be to leave the door open!

 

[Clodagh]

Scout does it in his kennel, he keeps right up to the top of the door. I just say ‘dickhead’ and walk away, so he gets zero result. It has helped I think.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Although this was taken today from that direction it’s usually the other way round.
I can’t leave the doors open as it’s usually wet and muddy and I don’t want them in and out constantly, it’s also getting cold.
It’s not constant, on the inside it will be for example the time it takes me to walk across the garden and unlock the door.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Dogs only do what is in their own best interest/what works for them. Stop doing whatever it is that makes him think it is worth his while to do. Like appearing at the door or opening it.

Having said all of that, it is very difficult to stop a dog doing something when it's on the other side of a barrier.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Dogs only do what is in their own best interest/what works for them. Stop doing whatever it is that makes him think it is worth his while to do. Like appearing at the door or opening it.

Having said all of that, it is very difficult to stop a dog doing something when it's on the other side of a barrier.

Then I wouldn't leave him with access to the door when you are in the garden. Is he crate trained?

Eta, sorry wrong reply quoted.
But it is nearly impossible to train a dog when you are not in the same room, so just don't let him have unsupervised access to the door.

 

[meleeka]

My old dog hated any doors shut and if she found one shut she'd jump up to have it opened for her. I think it's because there were never doors closed when he was a puppy and her owner had a dog flap. She just wasn't used to being contained. I also think we reinforced the behaviour when we'd get up and let her in/out. It was easier to just leave the doors open or we'd be up
and down like yo-yos.

Current dog can open any door, so I don't have that problem anymore!

 

[CorvusCorax]

Then I wouldn't leave him with access to the door when you are in the garden. Is he crate trained?

Eta, sorry wrong reply quoted.
But it is nearly impossible to train a dog when you are not in the same room, so just don't let him have unsupervised access to the door.

I did wonder! My young dog is pushy with doors but they don't open until her bum is on the floor for 3-5 seconds.

 

[Clodagh]

I don’t see how you can’t allow access to a door? But I’d teach a really good stop or sit or both command and get him to do that while he’s waiting.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I don’t see how you can’t allow access to a door? But I’d teach a really good stop or sit or both command and get him to do that while he’s waiting.

You shut the dog away from the door. This dog doesn't appear to jump at the door if the owner is at the same side of it.
As this door appears to be glass, you could teach a visual signal to sit, if you think you can get the dog's attention from the other side of the garden.
Ours do have a visual signal but I'm not sure how good it would be in those circumstances.

 

[Sandstone1]

Can you make a pen around the door to keep him back from it? Also can you teach him that the door only opens when he is doing something else? ie sitting or laying down. You really need to be able to stop him practising the jumping up. Are you rewarding him by opening the door when he does it? Otherwise he has effectively trained you to open the door when he jumps up.

 

[poiuytrewq]

There is actually no where, other than a small toilet where the garden isn't clearly visible no, In fact the other rooms are full length glass doors. Annoyingly.
He won't be crated.
I suppose I've not helped by lingering round the doors when he is outside because we had a lot of trouble with him jumping out of the garden, Mr springy legs. I have managed 99.9% to stop this but I'm not totally sure he won't so am always ready to act, whilst trying to give him a bit of time able to be out with the others, as he has improved so much. The others love hanging out in the garden.

He has indeed trained me to open the door yes
He sits when i raise my hand, but apparently not through the door- I can work on that. He can surely hear me through it so should listen. (he doesn't but as I say can work on it)

 

[Clodagh]

.Ours do have a visual signal but I'm not sure how good it would be in those circumstances.

I think a whistle or a shouted stop or sit might be easier, then even if you were coming behind him it would work.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

I just wouldn't shut the dogs out, especially if one is an escapologist. Ours do play out without immediate supervision but are never shut out and we check on them frequently. I know that won't help if you are outside while he is inside.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I just wouldn't shut the dogs out, especially if one is an escapologist. Ours do play out without immediate supervision but are never shut out and we check on them frequently. I know that won't help if you are outside while he is inside.

Do you not? Genuine question not arguing!
If one asks to go out would you not open the door and let them outside for 5 for a wee?
I’ve always done this, without thought.

We have I * think got past the jumping out but I’m just not getting complacent about that.

 

[CorvusCorax]

At risk of repeating myself, we're again reacting to, no being proactive about, something. We've all, mostly, unwittingly trained a dog to do something we don't want. It's taken a lot of repetitions to get here. What you need to do instead of telling everyone the reasons why you *can't* do the things we're suggesting, is think of something that you *can* do. Train him not to do it and put some time into it, the way you would with teaching him to sit or walk on a loose leash, or put up with it, there is no magic wand and only a finite number of ways to fix it.

None of us can help you properly, we don't know what micro behaviours your or he performed to her to this stage, we're not in your house and we can't see what you're both doing.

Either the consequence has to be better than what he gets from jumping up at the door or the consequence has to be so that he never wants to do it again. Or you can do both.

I also do not 'let my dogs out for a pee', unless they are in kennels/crate they are never out of my sight, leash on, out for a walk or if they're ill, just round the garden. For me it's too much of a risk.

 

[Amymay Again]

Do you not? Genuine question not arguing!
If one asks to go out would you not open the door and let them outside for 5 for a wee?
I’ve always done this, without thought.

We have I * think got past the jumping out but I’m just not getting complacent about that.

My dog is also never out unsupervised.

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Do you not? Genuine question not arguing!
If one asks to go out would you not open the door and let them outside for 5 for a wee?
I’ve always done this, without thought.

We have I * think got past the jumping out but I’m just not getting complacent about that.

Yes I would let the dog out but leave the door open. Ime when they think you are not watching is when they get up.to mischief

 

[Clodagh]

My dog is also never out unsupervised.

Nor mine. Although I do envy people that don’t have to get dressed up in nose to tail waterproofs for last wees.

 

[druid]

Another who doesn't leave dogs out in the garden unattended.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Oh ok.
I mean I am watching out the window (maybe hence the issue!)

I’ve always opened the door and let them out if they ask. I also (pre Bert) would leave the back door open when I’m home and let them potter in and out.

 

[CorvusCorax]

Not all dogs are the same and we can't always treat the new ones exactly the same as the old ones.

Look at it from a different angle, it's good news that the dog wants to be with you and interacting with you, not out in the garden away from you/bored. So go out with him while the others are pottering, and do a bit of training

 

[CorvusCorax]

I mean I am watching out the window (maybe hence the issue!)

This is also good/new information!!!

 

[Pearlsacarolsinger]

Ours play out together or separately (their choice, usually) in an extremely secure yard/garden but never with the door shut, unless accidentally. We pin the door open if the dogs are out and there is even a slight breeze.

 

[poiuytrewq]

Not all dogs are the same and we can't always treat the new ones exactly the same as the old ones.

Look at it from a different angle, it's good news that the dog wants to be with you and interacting with you, not out in the garden away from you/bored. So go out with him while the others are pottering, and do a bit of training

We are doing loads of training atm. I’ve very luckily had the help of someone totally amazing and it’s made a big difference.
We are very happy right now. He’s come a long long way.
I just thought this might be fixable too.

Now I’m wondering if I’m

This is also good/new information!!!

Oh! Sorry! I did add somewhere above that I hover and that maybe the problem!

 

[poiuytrewq]

Ours play out together or separately (their choice, usually) in an extremely secure yard/garden but never with the door shut, unless accidentally. We pin the door open if the dogs are out and there is even a slight breeze.

That’s just something I’ve never thought of. Why?
We have always let them out if they ask and yes Ive left the door open in nice weather but always shut it in otherwise.

This is the first time we have ever had a dog who could escape though.

 

[poiuytrewq]

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[CorvusCorax]

We are doing loads of training atm. I’ve very luckily had the help of someone totally amazing and it’s made a big difference.
We are very happy right now. He’s come a long long way.
I just thought this might be fixable too.

It is...but you have to train it. Get them to help you. Training is all the time/everywhere.

And yes, we're the problem, we're usually always the problem.

 

[poiuytrewq]

It is...but you have to train it. Get them to help you. Training is all the time/everywhere.

And yes, we're the problem, we're usually always the problem.

I know.