The coronation carriage, isn't this a bit excessive?

[reynold]

@Maxidoodle - what I was comparing was food shortages, high inflation, poor infrastructure and generally people having a hard time. These are true for 1953 and 2023 and these are the main things that people are complaining about in regard to COL crisis, which had been mentioned in this thread in regard to the cost of the event.

Yes, some things were worse and some better between 1953 and 2023. Social cohesion and social division being one of the most different. People in 1953 were post a long war and were used to making the best of things and pulling together.
Unlike today where I could derail this whole thread by writing about how modern society seems to revolve around the politics of envy and every man/woman/other for themselves.

Also in a more horsey relevant musing I wonder if the general angry emotions people seem to have in society can contribute and be felt by their horses and other pets, resulting in unusual misbehaviour and behavioural problems. Many of us rely on our pets/horses for promoting calm in ourselves, but do we consider their wellbeing when we pass on our stress to them?

 

[ycbm]

Personally I think it would have been better to keep giving people £60 a month off their fuel bills and have a much lower key coronation.

The coronation will create taxes on goods and services that are greater than the cost. Stopping it would not help anyone afford their electricity bills, quite the reverse.
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[sakura]

Do we have the facts and figures for the claim that the cost of the coronation is actually helping the UK economy? Or is it an assumption that people will spend more money celebrating and visiting?

 

[ycbm]

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20% vat on £2.6bn = £52m tax just on hospitality. More on retail sales and TV rights, just to start with.

 

[tristar]

Waves from a fairly uncorrupt, quite democratic and pretty secure republic. We remember Cromwell EXTREMELY well over here.

uncorrupt,? ho hum, not saying any more

 

[tristar]

the distribution of profit from the coronation will be very spread out, mainly among diverse businesses, tax revenue etc. ie. generation of profit being the bottom line

the actual money spent on the whole process could have been distributed to people in need, what a good gesture that could have been from the new king.

 

[rabatsa]

One of my craft groups have made a King for the village pub, the Boot & Slipper. This pub really is at the heart of the village comminity. The needle felted face is a charicature, the footwear is a boot and a slipper, the crown is from a plant pot and his medals include the cycling proficiency and local swimming club medal.

One of the makers is well in her 80's and was left in tears after someone at a plant stall called us bad names for doing this for the village. I wish people would keep their thoughts to themselves if they are going to cause harm/upset to others for no benefit to anyone.

 

[Katieg123]

I think that the OP was about the person-to-horse ratio on the carriage being excessive (i.e. 8 horses and 12 people), not whether the occasion of the coronation was excessive

I don't think people care about that anymore

 

[splashgirl45]

I’m neither for or against the RF , I was 7 when the last coronation took place and I don’t remember much about it except I loved the horses. Can’t believe the number of people who have camped out to get a good place…not something I understand but as long as they are happy I dont mind,

 

[Tarragon]

One of my craft groups have made a King for the village pub, the Boot & Slipper. This pub really is at the heart of the village comminity. The needle felted face is a charicature, the footwear is a boot and a slipper, the crown is from a plant pot and his medals include the cycling proficiency and local swimming club medal.

One of the makers is well in her 80's and was left in tears after someone at a plant stall called us bad names for doing this for the village. I wish people would keep their thoughts to themselves if they are going to cause harm/upset to others for no benefit to anyone.

That is such an impressive display of craftmanship! Clever idea and beautifully executed. Some very talented people there.
I feel so sorry for your talented and kind lady though; some people are thoughtless

 

[sakura]

Since they’re projections, I’ll await the gross figures after the coronation itself. I’d also love to see how it is distributed across the country. Any financial boost to the public is very welcome!

However, I hesitate on this because if the coronation was really beneficial to those living in poverty, I’d expect to see more support from charities on the front line of the cost of living crisis. I’m not seeing that. I’m happy to be shown otherwise though if anyone has that?

Costs aside, they still won’t have my support for the many reasons I have already detailed in this long thread. But that is me and my conscious. I hope you all enjoy yourselves.

 

[dominobrown]

Believe me, I have opinions on them as well but this is a thread about the coronation.

We have a democracy, but it could be better. I’m never going to be comfortable with unelected heads of state

I am an in the middle, if slightly pro royal family stand point, though I just wanted to say you have an entirely valid opinion, that many others do have as well and have had for a long time too. I don't think either side is wrong. I have Swiss descendants and they managed fine without a royal family!

Tarragon- I think you are correct there and I think its probably best to have plenty of handlers!

 

[teapot]

“In 1953 rationing was still in force for many things and reconstruction after the war was still taking place. There was high inflation and what was available was expensive. So not really that much different to the hard times we're in now”.

You definitely cannot compare rationing etc in 1953 to what anyone in the UK is currently experiencing.

I said in the other thread that the Queen’s coronation was held at a time when the country’s national debt was at the highest point post war.

I’m not sure you can compare late 40s/early 50s to now because so much has changed. Same issues, different type of society and social expectations perhaps.

 

[ycbm]

the distribution of profit from the coronation will be very spread out, mainly among diverse businesses, tax revenue etc. ie. generation of profit being the bottom line

the actual money spent on the whole process could have been distributed to people in need, what a good gesture that could have been from the new king.

I'm not sure what the point is of a gesture that actually reduces the money available. Charles isn't paying for this, taxpayers are. So the more tax it generates, the better, I reckon.

 

[sakura]

I am an in the middle, if slightly pro royal family stand point, though I just wanted to say you have an entirely valid opinion, that many others do have as well and have had for a long time too. I don't think either side is wrong. I have Swiss descendants and they managed fine without a royal family!

Tarragon- I think you are correct there and I think its probably best to have plenty of handlers!

Thank you for a kind comment sometimes it feels like I’m swimming upstream, but I’m often comfortable sharing my opinion even if it’s not the audience consensus!

The world would be dull if we all agreed with each other!

 

[Kaylum]

The coronation will create taxes on goods and services that are greater than the cost. Stopping it would not help anyone afford their electricity bills, quite the reverse.
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It's being respectful to the people of YOUR country. And giving £60 helps so much whilst a King is Crowned people are struggling it is not the reverse. Seeing poverty in this country whilst someone rides around in a golden coach. You couldn't make it up really.

 

[fetlock]

Since they’re projections, I’ll await the gross figures after the coronation itself. I’d also love to see how it is distributed across the country. Any financial boost to the public is very welcome!

However, I hesitate on this because if the coronation was really beneficial to those living in poverty, I’d expect to see more support from charities on the front line of the cost of living crisis. I’m not seeing that. I’m happy to be shown otherwise though if anyone has that?

Costs aside, they still won’t have my support for the many reasons I have already detailed in this long thread. But that is me and my conscious. I hope you all enjoy yourselves.

Re that last paragraph - So you keep saying.

 

[criso]

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20% vat on £2.6bn = £52m tax just on hospitality. More on retail sales and TV rights, just to start with.

Would you have to offset loss in other areas. Whenever there's a tube strike or similar, we're told about how much is lost by business by people not going in to work, would this also not apply on a bank holiday whatever the reason. Parts of London will be rammed, however other areas will be empty.

After this thread, I had a good look locally on a couple of bus trips. Not a single flag, piece of bunting or coronation themed promotion in any of the shops, cafes, restaurants I went past.

Eta not sure what happened, I lost half my post.

Added that my regular coffee place will be closed on Monday and is opening on Saturday am for regulars but may close early. People working in hospitality, will be working but on their usual rate so won't see any of the profits. Dome will benefit, some not.

And seeing all the activity in the very rich village in Herts where the yard is, it seems activity is happening in rich areas but not in deprived.

Also added that while TV rights will bring in some revenue, technical distribution is EBU who will source resources such as satellites, uplinks, downlinks etc from international companies outside the UK. My current client will be providing some I expect, they did for the funeral.

 

[Kaylum]

Thank you for a kind comment sometimes it feels like I’m swimming upstream, but I’m often comfortable sharing my opinion even if it’s not the audience consensus!

The world would be dull if we all agreed with each other!

Never be afraid of expressing your opinion. People live with what they don't see doesn't matter, it does matter and it does happen.

I volunteer in horse welfare and it is terrible the things we see. Desperately trying to keep their animals alive. No money for food for themselves never mind their animals. It's real and a man in a golden coach makes people happy go figure.

 

[Maxidoodle]

I said in the other thread that the Queen’s coronation was held at a time when the country’s national debt was at the highest point post war.

I’m not sure you can compare late 40s/early 50s to now because so much has changed. Same issues, different type of society and social expectations perhaps.

Absolutely, I Totally agree, my post was in reply to Reynold, I’m not sure why it would not quote (so I had to do a copy and paste job).

 

[sakura]

Re that last paragraph - So you keep saying.

Yes?

 

[ycbm]

It's being respectful to the people of YOUR country. And giving £60 helps so much whilst a King is Crowned people are struggling it is not the reverse. Seeing poverty in this country whilst someone rides around in a golden coach. You couldn't make it up really.

I get what you are saying about the symbolism, but I don't think you can speak for all poor people. Many poor people will understand that there will actually be more tax in the coffers as a result of this, and many will love the spectacle and pageantry.
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[Goldenstar]

There is one coronation per generation the cost is not huge .

 

[sakura]

Cost aside, it’s still a grotesque display of wealth and power in a country relying on food banks more than ever.

Why can’t he have a small, scaled back coronation (that could be televised) and a concert for the public (akin to the jubilee concert)? Because it’s not as much fun to watch? Too bad. People are dying.

 

[criso]

There is a concert on Sunday at Windsor and there was a ballot for tickets. Nobody I'm a fan of though.

 

[conniegirl]

Cost aside, it’s still a grotesque display of wealth and power in a country relying on food banks more than ever.

Why can’t he have a small, scaled back coronation (that could be televised) and a concert for the public (akin to the jubilee concert)? Because it’s not as much fun to watch? Too bad. People are dying.

Because it would not generate anywhere near as much for the economy and you wouldn’t save that much.

People want to watch the parade, the coach, the horses and the marching. Thats the draw, not some old man in a dress waffling on about things very few believe in now.
Unfortunately that is the bit that is a fairly minor cost.
I have to say i find you particularly miserable today. Are you ok?

 

[sakura]

Because it would not generate anywhere near as much for the economy and you wouldn’t save that much.

People want to watch the parade, the coach, the horses and the marching. Thats the draw, not some old man in a dress waffling on about things.
Unfortunately that is the bit that is a fairly minor cost.
I have to say i find you particularly miserable today. Are you ok?

Thank you for your concern, I am absolutely fine I just don’t agree with the general consensus here. I have repeatedly said I hope you all enjoy it, I genuinely do. I was just trying to have an honest discussion. Clearly this is not the place for that, which is a shame. Or maybe this is not a forum for me anymore, and that’s okay.

If you think what I have said on here is miserable, maybe avoid some of the social media posts I’ve seen over the past few days! Savage!

 

[blitznbobs]

Cost aside, it’s still a grotesque display of wealth and power in a country relying on food banks more than ever.

Why can’t he have a small, scaled back coronation (that could be televised) and a concert for the public (akin to the jubilee concert)? Because it’s not as much fun to watch? Too bad. People are dying.

I’m glad you’re not running the country, it Is dangerous not to value morale. And people literally camp out on the streets to watch this kinda stuff. I don’t get it but it’s rarely the well off sat in the cold waiting for their glimpse at “history” … 60 quid wont change their life but the memories of the week they camped on a pavement to see a fancy coach probably will be talked about to their grandchildren etc. the Economy is actually recovering and 60 quid won’t change anyones life, its a fallacy that removing everything fun out of the world and replacing it with the odd hand out here and there will improve more lives.

 

[Cortez]

Cost aside, it’s still a grotesque display of wealth and power in a country relying on food banks more than ever.

Why can’t he have a small, scaled back coronation (that could be televised) and a concert for the public (akin to the jubilee concert)? Because it’s not as much fun to watch? Too bad. People are dying.

Do you think that people would stop dying if there wasn't a coronation? I'm not sure I get your point here. As is always the case when any large amount of money is spent on, well anything really, someone always says "but what about nurses/teachers/puppies/OAPs/food banks/etc." but £100m (or whatever it is) isn't actually an amount that would make a really appreciable long term difference.

I was just trying to have an honest discussion. Clearly this is not the place for that, which is a shame. Or maybe this is not a forum for me anymore, and that’s okay.

But here we are, having a perfectly reasonable debate (which I am enjoying, BTW). Perhaps the fact that most people are not of your opinion is less enjoyable for you, but don't let that be a barrier to letting your opinions fly free.

 

[Cortez]

It could be said he put the English off republics .

Well, he certainly made a major contribution to putting the Irish off the English.......

ETA - sorry; we were discussing Cromwell, quite a long way up the thread there.