Irish-Only
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Correct Goldenstar, except that with the weight of the coach the brake is fairly ineffective and they try to keep it as much on the level as possible.
The coronation carriage, isn't this a bit excessive?
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Xmasha
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Bring it on I say ! Im looking forward to flicking between the ceremonies and badminton. With glass of wine and jam butty in hand . I’m knackered so I’m really looking forward to an extra day off as well .
I love all the pomp and over the top , it’s a wonderful change from the day to day .
I love all the pomp and over the top , it’s a wonderful change from the day to day .
Irish-Only
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Well a very proud breeder moment for me. The grey at the front with the rider on is one of my homebreds and he took to the job so well and easily that he was promoted to the top job of where he is after only a few months whereas that responsibility normally only happens after a few years in the job, and he was on the team in the same position for the Jubilee last year.
All the people complaining about the cost, all the horses and staff are full time anyway and if it were scaled back the cost would still be the same for security.
And yes, you do need the foot liveries as has been pointed out earlier, there is no driver only postillion riders.
All the people complaining about the cost, all the horses and staff are full time anyway and if it were scaled back the cost would still be the same for security.
And yes, you do need the foot liveries as has been pointed out earlier, there is no driver only postillion riders.
sakura
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Guys, I just don’t think it’s deep enough to question my emotional and/or mental health because I don’t like the royal family and said so on the Internet 
I am also glad I’m not running the country, so that makes two of us!
Anyway, guys, it’s been a blast! Enjoy
I am also glad I’m not running the country, so that makes two of us!
Anyway, guys, it’s been a blast! Enjoy
rabatsa
Confuddled
Lunchtime local tv news was interviewing some small businsesses that had benefitted from the coronation. One was a small mucic instrument place that had been sorting out the brass instruments to be used. There were several others but I had to pay attention to a phone call instead of listening.
Ample Prosecco
Still wittering on
Re the cost issue:
As has been pointed out many times, the estimated costs are 100million and the estimated income about a billion. So from an economic point of view, going all out and cashing in is a no-brainer. The idea that we could scale back the coronation and give everyone fuel bill help with the money saved is a nonsensical argument. The country will get a real economic boost from the Coronation.
(If you want to give people fuel bill help, taxing Shell might be a good place to start....)
People might consider the optics of it insensitive or inappropriate. So argue that we should scale back anyway, out of sensitivity. But I think that is a very patronising perspective. As again as been said above, those camping out overnight to catch a glimpse of the procession, or glued to the telly, are as likely to be from poorer backgrounds as anyone else. I think middle class liberals are far less likely to be huge fans of the Royal Family than working class communities. Hence the obsessive royal headlines in the tabloid press.
So what would the point of scaling back actually be? The 'poor' would not get any extra money anyway. The economy would miss out on a boost. And millions of britons would be deprived of a spectacle that they would love to see.
@Irish-Only that is amazing!!! Hope he does you proud on Saturday x
As has been pointed out many times, the estimated costs are 100million and the estimated income about a billion. So from an economic point of view, going all out and cashing in is a no-brainer. The idea that we could scale back the coronation and give everyone fuel bill help with the money saved is a nonsensical argument. The country will get a real economic boost from the Coronation.
(If you want to give people fuel bill help, taxing Shell might be a good place to start....)
People might consider the optics of it insensitive or inappropriate. So argue that we should scale back anyway, out of sensitivity. But I think that is a very patronising perspective. As again as been said above, those camping out overnight to catch a glimpse of the procession, or glued to the telly, are as likely to be from poorer backgrounds as anyone else. I think middle class liberals are far less likely to be huge fans of the Royal Family than working class communities. Hence the obsessive royal headlines in the tabloid press.
So what would the point of scaling back actually be? The 'poor' would not get any extra money anyway. The economy would miss out on a boost. And millions of britons would be deprived of a spectacle that they would love to see.
@Irish-Only that is amazing!!! Hope he does you proud on Saturday x
tristar
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a few quid to some people is a fortune.
the dynamics of the monetary aspect is extra for those who make profit from it, but that 60 quid could be everything to some people.
scaling back is not necessarily the whole object, how about modernization bringing it all into the new age, when liz was crowned the prince and princess of wales did not go on the tube to pub, probably, in soho as today, they are kind of half trying to be of the people, then go over the top with gold coaches, ceremonies, all the archaic rituals.
perhaps it will [iam] be different next time
the dynamics of the monetary aspect is extra for those who make profit from it, but that 60 quid could be everything to some people.
scaling back is not necessarily the whole object, how about modernization bringing it all into the new age, when liz was crowned the prince and princess of wales did not go on the tube to pub, probably, in soho as today, they are kind of half trying to be of the people, then go over the top with gold coaches, ceremonies, all the archaic rituals.
perhaps it will [iam] be different next time
southerncomfort
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Do we not think that the money, or at least some of it, would have been put aside specifically for this event a long time ago? It's not like we didn't know it was coming
I doubt very much that the money has been taken away from other government departments.
We're a funny little island but I love all the pomp and ceremony (i have no strong feelings either way about the royals but i love a bit of history!) and think we'd be a poorer place for ditching it all. This is what we do, this is what makes us, us.
Nothing makes me prouder to be British than seeing the Household Cavalry trotting down the Mall.
I doubt very much that the money has been taken away from other government departments.
We're a funny little island but I love all the pomp and ceremony (i have no strong feelings either way about the royals but i love a bit of history!) and think we'd be a poorer place for ditching it all. This is what we do, this is what makes us, us.
Nothing makes me prouder to be British than seeing the Household Cavalry trotting down the Mall.
teapot
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The BBC showed a prog last night about the tailors who have handled all the changes to the various uniforms - a family run business in north London. That contract alone probably will be into the hundreds of thousands, and as the business owner says, in turn his ordering keeps an Italian silk velvet producer in business too.
Elf On A Shelf
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Ah but if you are in Scotland and you want an independence vote then a generation means beggar all
teapot
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rabatsa
Confuddled
As the last coronation was 70 years ago Scotland may have to wait a while yet.Ah but if you are in Scotland and you want an independence vote then a generation means beggar all
fetlock
Well-Known Member
The inclusion of one called Meg is causing a few raised eyebrows
Elf On A Shelf
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I ruddy hope so! But actually the SNP have pretty much killed themselves with their latest shenanigans so we should be safe for now.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
You do realise that the poverty is a deliberate choice which has been made by the gvt of the last 12 yrs? It really would make absolutely no difference whatsoever if there was no Coronation at all.
However if there was no RF, we might still be stuck with President Johnson, who would have been elected presumably,for a fixed term
Clodagh
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PAS, I agree, it’s people wanting a Trump type set up that is scary. The royals are fabulous compared to the US circus, which seems to be the alternative.
I am working so won’t see the coronation but expect there will be a few minutes of highlights on over the next few days
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I love the pomp and ceremony, the horses and the glamour. Not completely excited by the royals but they give interest to a lot of people and I hope it goes well.
I am working so won’t see the coronation but expect there will be a few minutes of highlights on over the next few days
. I love the pomp and ceremony, the horses and the glamour. Not completely excited by the royals but they give interest to a lot of people and I hope it goes well.
Goldenstar
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Wow that’s marvellous .
Kaylum
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I see poverty everyday and how people suffer. I was actually sticking up for people who work two jobs to try feed their kids. £60 is a lot to these people. Anyway so long as London is happy and making plenty of money and the hotels are full at £300 plus a night.
Peglo
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Exactly. I’m sure the kitchen porters, cleaners, bar and reception staff etc of those hotels will be delighted to have the work. Maybe even get a few more much needed hours if the hotels are full. Even better maybe a bonus for working coronation weekend.
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
Don't blame London, no one round here appersr to be celebrating or benefiting. It's a big place and it's one little bit of zone 1 where it's happening. It was Herts where I couldn't move for bunting and flags.
The people working in hospitality are on low wages and might prefer a quiet shift.
Pearlsacarolsinger
Up in the clouds
I agree that £60 is a huge amount of money to families struggling to heat their damp houses and feed their families with the help of foodbanks, despite 2 adults working 2 jobs, you really don't have to tell me. But not having a Coronation wouldn't give them £60 or even 60p *because this disgraceful corrupt gvt doesn't want them to have it*
Eta, I imagine that most of the people working in hospitality will be glad to be busy, they may well get some extra hours/more tips and could well have a bit more job security because their hotel, etc has been full over this weekend.
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Kaylum
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I know and I agree with you also. I was just putting what i see in writing.
Kaylum
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I often work in London it is a toxic city. I don't enjoy going there.
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
I'm the opposite, I feel so much more accepted and comfortable than anywhere else I've lived.
criso
Coming over here & taking your jobs since 1900
There's a recruitment crisis in hospitality at the moment with venues unable to recruit, it's the industry with the highest level of recruitment issues, higher than construction, health etc. Good experienced staff will be able to pick and choose.
FestiveG
Over the hill and far awa
Re the horses all being bred by the Queen, I don't think that's correct. I am going to a memorial tomorrow of a wonderful woman, who died earlier this year in her 90's. She was the proud breeder of a Cleveland bay, that was bought by the Queen and the returned to her farm of origin for her retirement.
fetlock
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It was the Windsor Greys I was specifically referring to in my earlier post as being bred by the Queen, which we subsequently found not to be correct as one of our members revealed they bred one of them. Some of them are homebred though.
SO1
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The 100 million is an estimate and it is not clear if it covers fixed costs as well as variable.
It appears that reason the costs are so much more in real terms compared to the cost of the Queens is security. The King is having 2000 guests whereas the Queen had 8000 so it is scaled back.
Yes it is paid for by the tax payers as most people involved in the security will be civil servants, the army and police. If the coronation was not going ahead these people would still be recieving a salary. If they recieve overtime they will be taxed on it so some of that goes back into the government coffers. Some of them may spend their overtime on goods and services thus benefiting business.
Apparently the sale of the TV rights is expected to cover most of the costs of the coronation.
The problem with poverty in the UK will not be solved by not having the coronation. Personally I think the environmental costs of flying in lots of foreign VIPs on private jets is an issue and perhaps they should have kept the guest list domestic plus family. This would also have reduced the security costs.
Yes people are living in poverty but I don't think that the coronation will make that worse or not having it will make it better. How we as a society help raise people out of poverty is a different discussion. I think in the UK a lot of poverty is related to housing costs.
It appears that reason the costs are so much more in real terms compared to the cost of the Queens is security. The King is having 2000 guests whereas the Queen had 8000 so it is scaled back.
Yes it is paid for by the tax payers as most people involved in the security will be civil servants, the army and police. If the coronation was not going ahead these people would still be recieving a salary. If they recieve overtime they will be taxed on it so some of that goes back into the government coffers. Some of them may spend their overtime on goods and services thus benefiting business.
Apparently the sale of the TV rights is expected to cover most of the costs of the coronation.
The problem with poverty in the UK will not be solved by not having the coronation. Personally I think the environmental costs of flying in lots of foreign VIPs on private jets is an issue and perhaps they should have kept the guest list domestic plus family. This would also have reduced the security costs.
Yes people are living in poverty but I don't think that the coronation will make that worse or not having it will make it better. How we as a society help raise people out of poverty is a different discussion. I think in the UK a lot of poverty is related to housing costs.
Caol Ila
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I learned that this is not the forum on which to criticize the ludicrous extravagance of the Royal Family, unless you're prepared to take a lot of flak. I just wing in the occasional irreverent op ed or YouTube clip by people much funnier than I am. Do the 'tourist revenues' really make up for the cost? Eh. Those buildings will still be there, no matter what.
I will be celebrating my birthday by not watching the Coronation. Turning 39 for the second year in a row. Happy birthday, me, you get a king. All I ever bloody wanted.
w1bbler
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I'll start by saying I'm no fan of the royals, but I'll enjoy my double pay on Monday 
£100 million is a drop in the ocean that is partially paid for with income generation, tax paid etc.
The oldies in my village are excited for the get together & celebrations, for some it's the most excitement they've had for years.
If you want to get venomous about wasted money start with our elected leaders. £4billion spent on unusable ppe, huge contracts handed to their mates etc. Our government has done far more damage to the economy than a coronation will
£100 million is a drop in the ocean that is partially paid for with income generation, tax paid etc.
The oldies in my village are excited for the get together & celebrations, for some it's the most excitement they've had for years.
If you want to get venomous about wasted money start with our elected leaders. £4billion spent on unusable ppe, huge contracts handed to their mates etc. Our government has done far more damage to the economy than a coronation will