severnmiles
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Within the law...what a joke!
The Further Decline of the Hunting Fraternity...
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wurzel
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And you can work the saloon honey !!!!
Just like Big-nose Kate !!!!
you and i darlin, a brandin and castratin steers and beeves at midnight under an Exmoor moon.
So romantic.
Hand me them thar castratin irons cow girl !!!!!!!!!
I done caught me a wrighty !!
a wrigglin an a squealin like a little swine ready for a spit roastin
my oh my !!!!!!!!!
Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope and throw and grab 'em,
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart's calculatin'
My true love will be waitin', be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.
Just like Big-nose Kate !!!!
you and i darlin, a brandin and castratin steers and beeves at midnight under an Exmoor moon.
So romantic.
Hand me them thar castratin irons cow girl !!!!!!!!!
I done caught me a wrighty !!
a wrigglin an a squealin like a little swine ready for a spit roastin
my oh my !!!!!!!!!
Keep movin', movin', movin',
Though they're disapprovin',
Keep them doggies movin' Rawhide!
Don't try to understand 'em,
Just rope and throw and grab 'em,
Soon we'll be living high and wide.
Boy my heart's calculatin'
My true love will be waitin', be waiting at the end of my ride.
Move 'em on, head 'em up,
Head 'em up, move 'em out,
Move 'em on, head 'em out Rawhide!
Set 'em out, ride 'em in
Ride 'em in, let 'em out,
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in Rawhide.
wrighty
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No need to get all scared n stuff, Like I said I will just come down to see you brave law breakers do your stuff, I won't be hiding my face or stalking you through the woods.
As for "Within the law...what a joke!"
Yes, within the law, I don't believe in violence against anyone or anything but I will defend myself if needed, using the minimal force required to prevent any harm to myself or others.
As for "Within the law...what a joke!"
Yes, within the law, I don't believe in violence against anyone or anything but I will defend myself if needed, using the minimal force required to prevent any harm to myself or others.
Tinkerbee
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*rolls eyes* bloody hell....
prevent any harm....then....
just punch em
prevent any harm....then....
just punch em
severnmiles
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Scared? Come down! You're more than welcome, I'll recommend a few meets where the Bara Brith is top notch and you can see modern hunting first hand!
Come down! You're more than welcome, I'll recommend a few meets where the Bara Brith is top notch and you can see modern hunting first hand!severnmiles
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PMSL! TF I'd love to get drunk with you, I bet you're a real laugh!
Eagle_day
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"I don't believe in violence against anyone or anything but I will defend myself if needed, using the minimal force required to prevent any harm to myself or others."
So you don't believe in violence but you would use it?
Not exactly Mahatma are you?
So you don't believe in violence but you would use it?
Not exactly Mahatma are you?
wrighty
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"some dirty Mexicans"
"i'll send my negro Napoleaon out to get ya !!!"
No need for bigotted comments.
"old fatigues and greasy dreadlocks"
Another assumption about Anti's? Because someone believes animals should be protected you think they are hippies and dress in combats?
"So you don't believe in violence but you would use it?"
No, I wouldn't use violence, I would use the appropriate amount of force.
"i'll send my negro Napoleaon out to get ya !!!"
No need for bigotted comments.
"old fatigues and greasy dreadlocks"
Another assumption about Anti's? Because someone believes animals should be protected you think they are hippies and dress in combats?
"So you don't believe in violence but you would use it?"
No, I wouldn't use violence, I would use the appropriate amount of force.
severnmiles
Well-Known Member
TF spoke in jest. You and I both know that the dreadlock comment is about as true as all hunting folk being toffs.
But what if the 'appropriate' amount of force was considered to be violent?
wrighty
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"But what if the 'appropriate' amount of force was considered to be violent?"
Well in the end that is down to the police/courts to decide. The use of a fist to the face IMO is violence but the use of a fist to other parts of the body to stop an attack is appropriate, it's all about knowing what is classed as self defence and reasonable force.
For example,
Someone using a whip to hit you, you can defend yourself by removing the whip from the attacker using reasonable force.(Self Defence)
Someone using a whip in a threatening manner, if you feel in direct threat from that person with the whip you can pre-empt the attack and defend yourself by removing the whip from the attacker using reasonable force. (Self Defence)
After the whip has been removed and the attacker is no longer a threat you cannot continue to use force on this person, if you do it is illegal (Assault) UNLESS you clearly state that you are arresting that person for the assault. Using the whip you have just removed to hit your attacker would usually be classed as assault (Very difficult to justify this)
Need anymore information on this?
Next lesson will be on ways of dealing with trespass.
Well in the end that is down to the police/courts to decide. The use of a fist to the face IMO is violence but the use of a fist to other parts of the body to stop an attack is appropriate, it's all about knowing what is classed as self defence and reasonable force.
For example,
Someone using a whip to hit you, you can defend yourself by removing the whip from the attacker using reasonable force.(Self Defence)
Someone using a whip in a threatening manner, if you feel in direct threat from that person with the whip you can pre-empt the attack and defend yourself by removing the whip from the attacker using reasonable force. (Self Defence)
After the whip has been removed and the attacker is no longer a threat you cannot continue to use force on this person, if you do it is illegal (Assault) UNLESS you clearly state that you are arresting that person for the assault. Using the whip you have just removed to hit your attacker would usually be classed as assault (Very difficult to justify this)
Need anymore information on this?
Next lesson will be on ways of dealing with trespass.
severnmiles
Well-Known Member
I feel any physical contact is violent.
wrighty
Well-Known Member
well, with respect, you are wrong.
When the police arrest someone and use force it is not violence. (Well, officialy they are not supposed to be violent)
When the police arrest someone and use force it is not violence. (Well, officialy they are not supposed to be violent)
severnmiles
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So GBH or ABH isn't violence?
wrighty
Well-Known Member
Yes they are, not used much these days, different naming for different types of assault.
Assault is the illegal use of force.
Assault is the illegal use of force.
severnmiles
Well-Known Member
I feel assault is still violence, otherwise you are contradicting Endy's post further down insinuating hunting folk are violent wife beaters...
wrighty
Well-Known Member
Assault is violence, using self defence to protect yourself and others is not, it is using legal force.
Like I said earlier punching someone is violence, even in self defence as it is a very inaffective way of stopping someone.
I have never said hunters are violent wife beaters, the 1 arrested was tho. Some might generalise about things like that or stereotype people but I dont, people calling me a hippy because I am anti hunting is wrong, calling all hunters wife beaters is wrong as it isnt true.
Like I said earlier punching someone is violence, even in self defence as it is a very inaffective way of stopping someone.
I have never said hunters are violent wife beaters, the 1 arrested was tho. Some might generalise about things like that or stereotype people but I dont, people calling me a hippy because I am anti hunting is wrong, calling all hunters wife beaters is wrong as it isnt true.
Blairite
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As Severnmiles saidabout the Horse and Hound Rag: <<I'm glad you're starting this, OH had just stopped buying it because of the lack of hunting snippets over the summer...I'm sure he'll buy todays edition though>>
Evidence that the decline of hunting is now well under way. I have read many posts from the Hunting Fraternity here about how they intend to break the law and their veiled threats of violence and general thuggery. But then we know, the nature of the beast never changes!
I am sure all of you will join with me in welcoming the new Secretary of State for Environment, The Rt. Hon Hillary Benn MP, to the post and let us behold his steadfast approach. I am sure he will continue with the modernisation and general no-nonsense approach first witnessed with the arrival of the former Formidable Secretary of State, Mrs. Beckett and continued by the indomitable Secretary of State, David Miliband. I am sure the Steadfast Mr. Benn will champion the Hunting Act 2004 and ensure that further legislation, if necessary, is implemented to deal effectively with the Hunting Fraternity and their ilk.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Evidence that the decline of hunting is now well under way. I have read many posts from the Hunting Fraternity here about how they intend to break the law and their veiled threats of violence and general thuggery. But then we know, the nature of the beast never changes!
I am sure all of you will join with me in welcoming the new Secretary of State for Environment, The Rt. Hon Hillary Benn MP, to the post and let us behold his steadfast approach. I am sure he will continue with the modernisation and general no-nonsense approach first witnessed with the arrival of the former Formidable Secretary of State, Mrs. Beckett and continued by the indomitable Secretary of State, David Miliband. I am sure the Steadfast Mr. Benn will champion the Hunting Act 2004 and ensure that further legislation, if necessary, is implemented to deal effectively with the Hunting Fraternity and their ilk.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
soggy
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Pure semantics.
LMAO Make your mind up. You have just advocated punching someone in order to protect yourself from a whipping. Personal experience has demonstrated that punching someone in the correct place with sufficient force is a very effective way of stopping someone. I still have their front tooth to prove it.
Not in my book it's not.
severnmiles
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No, not evidence at all. All that says is their is an increase in horse sport and a niche for Equine gossip. We have hounds magazine to get our fix of hunting, thats still full to the brim.
Royal Welsh hound parade nearly deafened me, the support was tremendous. The proof is in the pudding (how many are still turning out in all weathers to support their local hunt) and not how many pages of hunting is written in the no longer aptly named Horse and Hound.
And god you must be bored! I wrote that months ago - must have taken ages to find!
Royal Welsh hound parade nearly deafened me, the support was tremendous. The proof is in the pudding (how many are still turning out in all weathers to support their local hunt) and not how many pages of hunting is written in the no longer aptly named Horse and Hound.
And god you must be bored! I wrote that months ago - must have taken ages to find!
soggy
Well-Known Member
Yawn yawn.
So predictable!
The cracked record never changes does it Blairite. Same monotonous drone, same wearisome drivel, same banal uninspired claptrap, same contrieved and unoriginal phrases.
Why not try a change for once in your sad, bleak, lonesome, unforfilled little life, and come up with something new.
Life pushing that tea trolley around at the ministry and licking any junior ministers backside that happens to pass by must be see demeaning and soul destroying for you.
So predictable!
The cracked record never changes does it Blairite. Same monotonous drone, same wearisome drivel, same banal uninspired claptrap, same contrieved and unoriginal phrases.
Why not try a change for once in your sad, bleak, lonesome, unforfilled little life, and come up with something new.
Life pushing that tea trolley around at the ministry and licking any junior ministers backside that happens to pass by must be see demeaning and soul destroying for you.
Blairite
Well-Known Member
<<No, not evidence at all. All that says is their is an increase in horse sport and a niche for Equine gossip. We have hounds magazine to get our fix of hunting, thats still full to the brim.>>
You must be very happy in that dream world of yours. Its nearly over - face it!
<<Royal Welsh hound parade nearly deafened me, the support was tremendous. The proof is in the pudding (how many are still turning out in all weathers to support their local hunt)>>
A Hunting Fraternity rent-a-mob is hardly proof that hunting continues to flourish. No, sorry, but the glory days of the Hunting Fraternity are well and truly over. Almost brings a tear to one's eye, doesn't it?
<<and not how many pages of hunting is written in the no longer aptly named Horse and Hound.>>
As you say, no longer aptly named, now that hunting with hounds is an illegal act. Outlaws in your own areas!
<<And god you must be bored! I wrote that months ago - must have taken ages to find!>>
Not really. It is the first post in the list.
Lord_Blairite
Britain is Working!
You must be very happy in that dream world of yours. Its nearly over - face it!
<<Royal Welsh hound parade nearly deafened me, the support was tremendous. The proof is in the pudding (how many are still turning out in all weathers to support their local hunt)>>
A Hunting Fraternity rent-a-mob is hardly proof that hunting continues to flourish. No, sorry, but the glory days of the Hunting Fraternity are well and truly over. Almost brings a tear to one's eye, doesn't it?
<<and not how many pages of hunting is written in the no longer aptly named Horse and Hound.>>
As you say, no longer aptly named, now that hunting with hounds is an illegal act. Outlaws in your own areas!
<<And god you must be bored! I wrote that months ago - must have taken ages to find!>>
Not really. It is the first post in the list.
Lord_Blairite
Britain is Working!
soggy
Well-Known Member
SM
What you need to realise is that Blairite is one of the sad and lonely losers, who hoard and file everything in their pathetic lives.
What else would they do to fill the endless days and nights of utter loneliness and tedium, that make up their putrid lacklustre lives?
Apart from rescue stray feral cats by the dozen.
What you need to realise is that Blairite is one of the sad and lonely losers, who hoard and file everything in their pathetic lives.
What else would they do to fill the endless days and nights of utter loneliness and tedium, that make up their putrid lacklustre lives?
Apart from rescue stray feral cats by the dozen.
Blairite
Well-Known Member
<<The cracked record never changes does it Blairite. Same monotonous drone, same wearisome drivel, same banal uninspired claptrap, same contrieved and unoriginal phrases.
Why not try a change for once in your sad, bleak, lonesome, unforfilled little life, and come up with something new.>>
LOLOL! Tiggy, why don't you take your own advice, with regards changing the record and apply that to your droning about how hunting is so great. Clearly, it should now be "was" great, past tense.
<<Life pushing that tea trolley around at the ministry and licking any junior ministers backside that happens to pass by must be see demeaning and soul destroying for you.>>
ROTFLMFAO!!!! I am very happy where I am at the moment. As I said the Steadfast Hillary Benn is our man now.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Labour: Securing Britains Future!
Why not try a change for once in your sad, bleak, lonesome, unforfilled little life, and come up with something new.>>
LOLOL! Tiggy, why don't you take your own advice, with regards changing the record and apply that to your droning about how hunting is so great. Clearly, it should now be "was" great, past tense.
<<Life pushing that tea trolley around at the ministry and licking any junior ministers backside that happens to pass by must be see demeaning and soul destroying for you.>>
ROTFLMFAO!!!! I am very happy where I am at the moment. As I said the Steadfast Hillary Benn is our man now.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Labour: Securing Britains Future!
Blairite
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<<What you need to realise is that Blairite is one of the sad and lonely losers, who hoard and file everything in their pathetic lives.>>
ROTFLMFAO!!!!! LOLOLOL!!! If only I were that organised Tiggy.
<<What else would they do to fill the endless days and nights of utter loneliness and tedium, that make up their putrid lacklustre lives?>>
I can think of plenty!
<<Apart from rescue stray feral cats by the dozen.>>
I wonder what became of Pippy? She was a lovely person. I wonder if she is still involved with Celia Hammond.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Labour: Securing Britains Future!
ROTFLMFAO!!!!! LOLOLOL!!! If only I were that organised Tiggy.
<<What else would they do to fill the endless days and nights of utter loneliness and tedium, that make up their putrid lacklustre lives?>>
I can think of plenty!
<<Apart from rescue stray feral cats by the dozen.>>
I wonder what became of Pippy? She was a lovely person. I wonder if she is still involved with Celia Hammond.
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Labour: Securing Britains Future!
severnmiles
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No time to reply properly as pigs/horses/chicken/ dogs to feed and haylage bales to check for holes but had to quote you on this:
"Labour: Securing Britains Future!"
This country has gone to the dogs...look at crime/NHS/Iraq/Education/Immigration/Prisons/Countryside - Blair c*cked the country up and then handed the reins over to his sidekick.
Name one thing GREAT about Great Britain....
"Labour: Securing Britains Future!"
This country has gone to the dogs...look at crime/NHS/Iraq/Education/Immigration/Prisons/Countryside - Blair c*cked the country up and then handed the reins over to his sidekick.
Name one thing GREAT about Great Britain....
severnmiles
Well-Known Member
Clearly touched a sore point didn't you Sogs :smirk:
soggy
Well-Known Member
I'm sure you are, given you obvious tendencies. Why else would you take a job that required you to lick backsides?
soggy
Well-Known Member
Certainly did :grin:
:grin: wrighty
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"Pure semantics." NO, Law. Read my earlier post.
"You have just advocated punching someone in order to protect yourself from a whipping" Wrong, I said you can use force to remove it, I said nothin about punching someone to do it.
"Personal experience has demonstrated that punching someone in the correct place with sufficient force is a very effective way of stopping someone. I still have their front tooth to prove it"
All that proves is that you are a violent person and a strange one at that keeping the teeth as a trophy.
"
So working through your own logic you are saying all hunters are wife beaters?
(MY FULL ENTRY IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT)
"I have never said hunters are violent wife beaters, the 1 arrested was tho. Some might generalise about things like that or stereotype people but I dont, people calling me a hippy because I am anti hunting is wrong, calling all hunters wife beaters is wrong as it isnt true."
Oh and by the way, seeing I have little or no hair it would be incorrect to put me into a hippy or "greasy dreadlocks" pigeon hole, and NO I am not a skin head as that generalisation implies I am a violent racist, which I am not either.
"You have just advocated punching someone in order to protect yourself from a whipping" Wrong, I said you can use force to remove it, I said nothin about punching someone to do it.
"Personal experience has demonstrated that punching someone in the correct place with sufficient force is a very effective way of stopping someone. I still have their front tooth to prove it"
All that proves is that you are a violent person and a strange one at that keeping the teeth as a trophy.
"
Not in my book it's not."
So working through your own logic you are saying all hunters are wife beaters?
(MY FULL ENTRY IF YOU WANT TO SEE IT)
"I have never said hunters are violent wife beaters, the 1 arrested was tho. Some might generalise about things like that or stereotype people but I dont, people calling me a hippy because I am anti hunting is wrong, calling all hunters wife beaters is wrong as it isnt true."
Oh and by the way, seeing I have little or no hair it would be incorrect to put me into a hippy or "greasy dreadlocks" pigeon hole, and NO I am not a skin head as that generalisation implies I am a violent racist, which I am not either.
Blairite
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<<This country has gone to the dogs...look at crime/NHS/Iraq/Education/Immigration/Prisons/Countryside - Blair c*cked the country up and then handed the reins over to his sidekick.>>
Poor, deluded Severnmiles. I am grateful for the opportunity to reply. Lets look at the areas you have listed.
Crime - Overall crime is DOWN by 30%, using the Polices own figures (British Crime Survey)
NHS - The budget has nearly tripled, we have never had so many doctors and nurses, of course there are difficulties, but we are the party to overcome them.
Iraq - A fledgling democracy. Slowly stabilising and back on track to becoming the proud nation it once was.
Education - The budget has more than doubled. Teachers pay has never been so high. Overall support for SEN/Behaviour has never been so good. Results are the best in history at GCSE, A-Level and even at ages 7 and 11. (SATs)
Immigration - A well balanced policy. A compassionate policy as well. Immigration is doing wonders for the UKs booming economy. Of course there are abuses and we must continue to seek those out and deal with them in the proper way.
Prisons - Tough decisions need to be made after years of Tory mismanagement poor funding. Jack Straw, the new Justice secretary will ensure those decisions are made. Much work is being done in conjuction with the HM Prison Service and new Prisons are being built to ease the problem of overcrowding. This can only be done through real terms investment we've put in.
Countryside - Rivals any in the world! DEFRA have done a wonderful job in securing the right economic conditions for success, now and for the long term. The reforms brought in by the former Formidable Secretary of State, Mrs. Beckett, meant that farmers had to be more accountable for their livestock and the treatment of them. She also made the conditions in which farmers could sit back and think to themselves "we've never had it so good" Blair also did a good job fighting the CAP and the ridiculous demands of the French Government.
<<Name one thing GREAT about Great Britain.... >>
The Monarchy!
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Vote Labour!
Poor, deluded Severnmiles. I am grateful for the opportunity to reply. Lets look at the areas you have listed.
Crime - Overall crime is DOWN by 30%, using the Polices own figures (British Crime Survey)
NHS - The budget has nearly tripled, we have never had so many doctors and nurses, of course there are difficulties, but we are the party to overcome them.
Iraq - A fledgling democracy. Slowly stabilising and back on track to becoming the proud nation it once was.
Education - The budget has more than doubled. Teachers pay has never been so high. Overall support for SEN/Behaviour has never been so good. Results are the best in history at GCSE, A-Level and even at ages 7 and 11. (SATs)
Immigration - A well balanced policy. A compassionate policy as well. Immigration is doing wonders for the UKs booming economy. Of course there are abuses and we must continue to seek those out and deal with them in the proper way.
Prisons - Tough decisions need to be made after years of Tory mismanagement poor funding. Jack Straw, the new Justice secretary will ensure those decisions are made. Much work is being done in conjuction with the HM Prison Service and new Prisons are being built to ease the problem of overcrowding. This can only be done through real terms investment we've put in.
Countryside - Rivals any in the world! DEFRA have done a wonderful job in securing the right economic conditions for success, now and for the long term. The reforms brought in by the former Formidable Secretary of State, Mrs. Beckett, meant that farmers had to be more accountable for their livestock and the treatment of them. She also made the conditions in which farmers could sit back and think to themselves "we've never had it so good" Blair also did a good job fighting the CAP and the ridiculous demands of the French Government.
<<Name one thing GREAT about Great Britain.... >>
The Monarchy!
Regards
Lord_Blairite
Vote Labour!