The 'Grand' National?

teapot said:
He was paraded in his home village, not Newmarket, upon arrival on Sunday, after staying at Aintree Saturday night. I assume they stayed in Liverpool to give him some time post race instead of shoving him straight back on a lorry for a 200 odd mile trip home.

Looks like he'll parade at Sandown in a couple of weeks time and then the summer off as per most NH horses. http://www1.skysports.com/racing/ne...et-to-return-for-2016-crabbies-grand-national

Also, I see Oscar Time has been retired :smile3:
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oh, so he was paraded after a 200 odd mile trip in a lorry. After running the toughest steeple chase in the world and nearly collapsing the day before.

Good news about Oscar Time :-)
 
Many Clouds finished tired but soon perked up and having returned to a heroes welcome he has eaten up and was full of himself when taken out to the paddock on Sunday morning.

"We stayed up in Cheshire last night and we are on our way back to the yard right now, but I have spoken to my team and he has eaten up," Sherwood told the Racing Post.

"He's been out in the paddock this morning, and apparently he was bucking and kicking, and they can't believe how well he is. He's certainly in a lot better shape than any of the humans involved."

Sherwood will be parading his Grand National winner from Rhonehurst to Lambourn village from 11am.
 
A question for the 'knowledgeable' contributors on this thread, please :).

Are racecourse vets routinely made aware of any potential issues with any of the runners before racing? Say, for instance, one tends to overheat, or another may be a bleeder, or yet another have had a heart arrhythmia?

It would seem eminently sensible that they should be fully briefed beforehand.
 
Tiddlypom said:
A question for the 'knowledgeable' contributors on this thread, please :).

Are racecourse vets routinely made aware of any potential issues with any of the runners before racing? Say, for instance, one tends to overheat, or another may be a bleeder, or yet another have had a heart arrhythmia?

It would seem eminently sensible that they should be fully briefed beforehand.
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If a horse runs an unexpected bad race due to a medical problem then the trainer is obliged to inform the stewards of the reason why and they go public with the information.
 
firm said:
Many Clouds finished tired but soon perked up and having returned to a heroes welcome he has eaten up and was full of himself when taken out to the paddock on Sunday morning.

"We stayed up in Cheshire last night and we are on our way back to the yard right now, but I have spoken to my team and he has eaten up," Sherwood told the Racing Post.

"He's been out in the paddock this morning, and apparently he was bucking and kicking, and they can't believe how well he is. He's certainly in a lot better shape than any of the humans involved."

Sherwood will be parading his Grand National winner from Rhonehurst to Lambourn village from 11am.
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well ... if you wanted to completely cynical ... that's the 'spin' version ....

how about:

Many Clouds finished exhausted and but for the swift care he got post-race we would have had a collapsed horse at the end of the National, and possibly a dead one. We are thankful he is still with us. He was unloaded to loud crowds that he didn't really need, as he has no idea what a hero is ...

I've gone on ahead to the celebratory party, but I've spoken to the folks who are taking care of him and he is eating his food. They can't believe how well he is considering how bad he looked at the finished yesterday. We've all got stinking hangovers.
 
Tiddlypom said:
A question for the 'knowledgeable' contributors on this thread, please :).

Are racecourse vets routinely made aware of any potential issues with any of the runners before racing? Say, for instance, one tends to overheat, or another may be a bleeder, or yet another have had a heart arrhythmia?

It would seem eminently sensible that they should be fully briefed beforehand.
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No. Unless they look into the horse or they recognise the horse from having dealt with it on previous outings. The vets have a list of ones to trot up upon arrival - ones that pulled up lame last time out or have been off for a significant amount of time (usually at least a year) and ones that ran the day before.

The stable staff know their horses and what they are dealing with and will either take an extra person to help with a wobbler or get the guys around them to help as I did today. Said horse is known for over heating so I had 2 of the gate staff and myself plus my other leader upper greet the horse with a bucket in hand. Poor ****** didnt know what him him! Neither dod the jockey Muahahahahahahhahaaaaa! 4 buckets before he had even left he course, a further 6 back in the paddock before 2 full hosing downs and he hadn't even shown the slightest sign of over heating but I would rather not risk it.
 
As to the parading of Many Clouds - parading at home I have no issue with. Saint Ar who finished 2nd in the National was driven home that night and then taken to a point to point of all places! And paraded there the next day! Not sure how far the ptp was from the trainers yard but I did not see the need for that in the slightest! Plus he was only 2nd! He didn't win!
 
EKW - I know that many NH horses get a break for the Summer now, are they gradually let down over time? Just wondering what the norm is! From reading above it sounds like Many clouds will have a couple of weeks at the yard (winding down work?) and then turned out? Is that right? Just curious :)
 
3Beasties said:
EKW - I know that many NH horses get a break for the Summer now, are they gradually let down over time? Just wondering what the norm is! From reading above it sounds like Many clouds will have a couple of weeks at the yard (winding down work?) and then turned out? Is that right? Just curious :)
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He'll stay on the yard until the end of the season as he's going to Sandown and just get turned out through the day I would imagine.
 
Yup many will come back into work, do a few days walking before a couple of steady canters to make sure all is in working order before spending the next week or 2 either walking under saddle or on the horse walker with increased turnout time to get used to being a scruff bag again. The wind down is vital for keeping the muscles healthy.

Ours dont get ridden again once the decision is made to put them away instead they will do a couple of weeks on the walker with a few lunging sessions to make sure all is well.
 
ycbm said:
I'm not sure if I got that wrong or the Daily Express, but he was paraded through the streets of his home town, wherever that was.

Edited to add.
Apologies, Lambourn, I always confuse the two huge racing centres for each other.
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To confuse the two shows a lack of interest in racing. Newmarket is the headquarters of flat racing, Lambourn is a small village that centers around a few National Hunt yards.
 
Tiddlypom said:
Thanks both.

I'm surprised that the vets are not routinely briefed. If something happens out on the course then the stable staff may not be around to pass on info.
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The vets are on the course in case of an emergency, not for routine things, that's up to the trainer.
 
Tiddlypom said:
But if the horse has a recurrence of a known issue mid race, it would assist the vets to know what they may be dealing with, surely?
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Such as what ? I can't think of a situation where it would help for the vets to know any background info. They deal with what they are faced with on the day. A bleeder usually just pulls up and walks back to the stables. A horse that goes lame would be assessed on the course and dealt with accordingly.
 
justabob said:
Now you really are losing the plot Tess1, your posts are becoming more and more ridiculous.
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well of course that's your opinion and you are more than entitled to it. But to me, some of the posts on here trying to support/defend racing have been equally ridiculous ... but there's no point in just telling people they are ridiculous ... you have to actually back up your statement with some evidence. So someone posted a link to an article that was described as 'well balanced and informative' or some such ... in said article apparently almost everyone connected to horses in racing loved the horses. And that has been repeated on here in several posts. Hmmm ... well I think that it is pretty clear from someone's comments that 'love' is reserved for pets ... not for racehorses. And if everyone 'loved' the horses as much as the 'balanced and well informed' article claimed there would be much more money going into the rehab and retirement of horses when their racing careers ended than the paltry token gesture of £100,000 currently shared between four charities which seems a drop in the ocean when you think that the racing industry chews up and spits out 5000 horses per year. Yes, you can call me ridiculous. What would you call yourself for defending a sport which claims the life of one of its athletes every other day, and gives not a jot about them when they fail to give sufficient entertainment value to owners for day out at the races?
 
If I recall from the post-race interview withe the groom- attempting to attend to MC whilst Alice (was it) persisted in trying to get the 'scoop' - said something about they were all prpepared for his return and were aware that he may do this henec why thy had a team armed with buckets of water etc. and he was then taken to the facility for cooling off, there was a vet present as well.

Just another to add my immense irritation at first hampering LA from dismounting and then preventing OS from going to see the horse. TBH the general coverage was pretty dire

A little something to take a break from 'The Big Debate' I thought it was nice that some of the comraderie often alluded tp by Jockeys was shown eg. the fallen jockeys cheering the winners and other runners past the post.
 
LittleRooketRider said:
If I recall from the post-race interview withe the groom- attempting to attend to MC whilst Alice (was it) persisted in trying to get the 'scoop' - said something about they were all prpepared for his return and were aware that he may do this henec why thy had a team armed with buckets of water etc. and he was then taken to the facility for cooling off, there was a vet present as well.

Just another to add my immense irritation at first hampering LA from dismounting and then preventing OS from going to see the horse. TBH the general coverage was pretty dire

A little something to take a break from 'The Big Debate' I thought it was nice that some of the comraderie often alluded tp by Jockeys was shown eg. the fallen jockeys cheering the winners and other runners past the post.
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That's not true....all the horses at Aintree, over the 3 days were greeted by teams of people with water, whether they needed a soaking or not ! It's a recent innovation brought in at the same time as the fences were lowered etc. There is always a vet present at every racemeeting.
 
Tess just to give you more facts as you do not seem to have researched this properly. At least two owners donated around £5m between them for retired racehorses. When Dubai Millennium died his owner donated £1m odd towards grass sickness research and he also raised the profile of this awful disease. As someone who lives in the epicentre of this disease and knows many people who have lost horses to it that info sticks with me. I am sure you can find more info if you research but it might not suit your agenda.
 
firm said:
Tess just to give you more facts as you do not seem to have researched this properly. At least two owners donated around £5m between them for retired racehorses. When Dubai Millennium died his owner donated £1m odd towards grass sickness research and he also raised the profile of this awful disease. As someone who lives in the epicentre of this disease and knows many people who have lost horses to it that info sticks with me. I am sure you can find more info if you research but it might not suit your agenda.
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that's brilliant that individuals are stepping up to the plate and being very generous. The point is that it shouldn't be down to individuals ... there should be a retirement fund for every racehorse to ensure that they get the appropriate care when their careers have ended. If people want to add into that, then it's wonderful ... but my point is that these horses live a hard life (some harder than others) and when they can't 'give' anymore their future is very uncertain. Some I am sure do end up in excellent homes, or are fortunate enough to be taken in by charities ... but it's the luck of the draw isn't it ... and the luck runs out for a lot of them.
 
tess1 said:
there should be a retirement fund for every racehorse
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I totally respect that you're just concerned and want the best for the horses, but it's completely ridiculous to ask or expect that of anyone.

If that were to happen then it would also need to be for all ex-racers, ex-polo ponies and the horses who no longer work in the Household Cavalry etc.

It just wouldn't work.
 
SpringArising said:
I totally respect that you're just concerned and want the best for the horses, but it's completely ridiculous to ask or expect that of anyone.

If that were to happen then it would also need to be for all ex-racers, ex-polo ponies and the horses who no longer work in the Household Cavalry etc.

It just wouldn't work.
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It's completely ridiculous to ask or expect that of anyone ...

Really?

From an industry where they can give 25 million to vet research ...?
 
tess1 said:
well of course that's your opinion and you are more than entitled to it. But to me, some of the posts on here trying to support/defend racing have been equally ridiculous ... but there's no point in just telling people they are ridiculous ... you have to actually back up your statement with some evidence. So someone posted a link to an article that was described as 'well balanced and informative' or some such ... in said article apparently almost everyone connected to horses in racing loved the horses. And that has been repeated on here in several posts. Hmmm ... well I think that it is pretty clear from someone's comments that 'love' is reserved for pets ... not for racehorses. And if everyone 'loved' the horses as much as the 'balanced and well informed' article claimed there would be much more money going into the rehab and retirement of horses when their racing careers ended than the paltry token gesture of £100,000 currently shared between four charities which seems a drop in the ocean when you think that the racing industry chews up and spits out 5000 horses per year. Yes, you can call me ridiculous. What would you call yourself for defending a sport which claims the life of one of its athletes every other day, and gives not a jot about them when they fail to give sufficient entertainment value to owners for day out at the races?
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I think *LOVE* might be the wrong word, I would prefer the words *respect and understand*. I have asked you last night and you have not answered my question, what would you like to happen? Would you like racing to be banned? Would you feel happy then? Or would you prefer to renew your subscription to Animal Aid and PETA?
 
Im on several racing fb sites and racehorses do come up for rehoming, very often their lad or lass takes them on and with others Mad Moose for example who refused to race on several occasions had a waiting list of people wanting to rehome him. A lot of owners take them home Mr Hemmings for example who owns Many Clouds has all his retired horses as home with him on the Isle Of Wight, not all of them were successful racehorses.

As for Many Clouds walking the streets of Newmarket, he was literally just walked up the road in Lambourn and back again, he was turned out later in his paddock.It seems to me those of you who are anti racing are clutching at the most innocuous statements to support your arguement.
 
tess1 said:
that's brilliant that individuals are stepping up to the plate and being very generous. The point is that it shouldn't be down to individuals ... there should be a retirement fund for every racehorse to ensure that they get the appropriate care when their careers have ended. If people want to add into that, then it's wonderful ... but my point is that these horses live a hard life (some harder than others) and when they can't 'give' anymore their future is very uncertain. Some I am sure do end up in excellent homes, or are fortunate enough to be taken in by charities ... but it's the luck of the draw isn't it ... and the luck runs out for a lot of them.
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Define 'hard' life? I've seen riding school horses living worse lives than racehorses and no one gives a flying monkeys about their future once hammered into the ground. I'd rather be a NH horse...

ETS Cavalry and King's Troop horses are either rehomed to private homes or if they cannot be rehomed for whatever reason, they go to one of the charities to see out their days. Most, from what a well-informed acquaintance told me will go to a private home. I'd imagine it's the same for police horses.
 
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tess1 said:
It's completely ridiculous to ask or expect that of anyone ...

Really?

From an industry where they can give 25 million to vet research ...?
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Well for a start, I just can't think of a way it could be regulated. Where would the money go? How would this fund be transferred from owner to owner? What would the money be spent on? Who would keep track of where and who all this money was going to?

what would you like to happen? Would you like racing to be banned? Would you feel happy then? Or would you prefer to renew your subscription to Animal Aid and PETA?
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I can't answer for Tess1, but no, I don't want racing to be banned. I just want less jumps in the GN and for the distance to be reduced. That's not too much to ask. Not really sure why you've assumed that anyone who doesn't like the National is a PETA member/supporter either. I strongly dislike the Grand National and at the same time know next to nothing about who PETA are or what exactly they do.
 
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