The grey horse jumping HUGE over a jump, free schooling

[Goldenstar]

I have seen it. I assumed it was on the continent? I think it may have been more than rapped- electric wire over a fence? Electric boots? Something to make it supersensitive rubbed onto its cannons? It does not look a natural jump, nor does the horse look happy.

What would the point of an electric wire over the fence ? it would not shock a jumping horse .

 

[popsdosh]

I'm surprised to see rapping being defended. I haven't seen the video of this horse. But in general, if a horse is making the effort to jump the fence it can't be right to cause it pain in order to get it to jump higher. I wonder if there's another way that perhaps hasn't been thought of or won't be thought of while rapping is considered acceptable. People tend to be very creative when they have no choice but to find new solutions.

I dont defend it at all however there are a lot of misconceptions about it . It wasnt banned in warm up because it caused pain. Its not used to cause pain . It only helps with horses who are predisposed to being careful . I would argue that if Rapping causes pain so does showjumping as horses touch poles as in most horse sports there are to many urban myths about and many lose sight of where reality lies. Why do people need new solutions as as far as I know rapping is only not permissible in competition warm up.
Some horses are extravagant loose jumpers as this one is and the video is not unusual however that very rarely has any bearing on a horses ability with a rider on its back and for that reason the only lesson I take from lose jumping is if a horse can sort itself out at a fence. Afraid that one would not be on my shortlist. Some seem to get carried away and think its great to see a horse jump like that not me.

 

[stormox]

What would the point of an electric wire over the fence ? it would not shock a jumping horse .

I have only heard about people using wire, blisters on cannons and special boots to make horses jump higher. But I heard from people who specialise in producing horses for loose jumping competitions. Rapping I have seen - both with a cane and raising the pole. Im sure its illegal -didnt one of the famous German showjumpers get into trouble years ago for rapping horses at his yard?

 

[popsdosh]

I have only heard about people using wire, blisters on cannons and special boots to make horses jump higher. But I heard from people who specialise in producing horses for loose jumping competitions. Rapping I have seen - both with a cane and raising the pole. Im sure its illegal -didnt one of the famous German showjumpers get into trouble years ago for rapping horses at his yard?

It is not illegal(is in warm up at competition) PS was using a different method that involved physical pain.

 

[stormox]

It is not illegal(is in warm up at competition) PS was using a different method that involved physical pain.

What was he doing?

 

[JillA]

My old mare once jumped an 8ft fence to get at horses on the other side. Totally different without a riders weight

 

[popsdosh]

What was he doing?

LOL he can afford top lawyers.

 

[Goldenstar]

In the video people were whipping him on the fetlock area to make him jump higher. He is only 3 years old so not really strong enough to be jumping that height. It really saddened me. Others may feel differently as there is a mixed reaction on Facebook but many of my friends and acquaintances feel the same as I do.

That’s not rapping
Rapping is raising a pole as the horse goes over the jump .
They must be pretty quick to hit the horse on the fetlock as it’s jumping .
I am not a mad fan of loose jumping but horses who have been loose jumped a lot rarely jump like that one unless they are crack head they sharp learn they don’t need to .
I have been a jumping studs where they loose jump the youngsters to sort out the better ones they jump about three fences with them that unlikely to damage a horse .

 

[Elf On A Shelf]

My old mare once jumped an 8ft fence to get at horses on the other side. Totally different without a riders weight

Yes and that was probably a one off - or not done 3 or 4 times in succession every few days!

If this was a one off you would laugh but it isn't.

 

[HollyWoozle]

Can't say whether or not the horse had been rapped previously but certainly it looked like a woman in the video was hitting it with a lunge whip in the hind legs right before the fence. Unacceptable in my opinion and I can't help but assume something has been done to the horse before to encourage it to jump to such heights.

 

[MagicMelon]

Any methods like rapping, those horrible boots, cream to sensitize the legs etc. is so incredibly wrong. I cant believe there'd even be a discussion about it to be honest - those who support this or dont see much wrong with it shouldn't own or even be allowed near a horse. Sickening what goes on in the horse world, it makes me so sad that stuff like this goes on.

A horse should never be forced to do anything, if done right IMO a horse should simply remain willing to do things for you. Things like this just destroy a horse.

 

[Goldenstar]

Any methods like rapping, those horrible boots, cream to sensitize the legs etc. is so incredibly wrong. I cant believe there'd even be a discussion about it to be honest - those who support this or dont see much wrong with it shouldn't own or even be allowed near a horse. Sickening what goes on in the horse world, it makes me so sad that stuff like this goes on.

A horse should never be forced to do anything, if done right IMO a horse should simply remain willing to do things for you. Things like this just destroy a horse.

Nobody’s defending rapping which imo a complete waste of time anyway because it does not work nothing makes a horse more careful apart from improving their canter and physical strength and the learning how to jump over time and of course having a perfect rider
Senestising limbs is illegal no grey areas there you do that you are liable for prosecution should someone catch you .
Boots that attempt to get the horse to snap it’s legs up by having a sharp bit inside the prods the horse as it bends its limbs are in my opinion unerhical and very unlikely to work , weighted boots can have a role in rehab and training under the supervision of Physio who has an interest in that sort of work but their use is complicated the wieght has to be correct and it needs to in the correct place to affect the limb in beneficial way .
I dislike very much the use of lunge whips on unstarted horses although it does no physical harm I much much prefer to teach the horse what the lunge whip means calmly from the start so much harder if it’s been buzzed up loose jumping .
I don’t think there’s any harm in discussing these things people will see things as they go through life with horses knowledge is power and discussions like this do I think help .

 

[Circe]

I don't jump, but is that sort of jump really a selling point? to me I just wouldn't want to be on something that gave that much air to a fence.
Genuine question.
Kx

 

[eggs]

I don't jump, but is that sort of jump really a selling point? to me I just wouldn't want to be on something that gave that much air to a fence.
Genuine question.
Kx

I certainly wouldn't want to be sat on one that landed the way the horse did in the video.

 

[Red-1]

I don't jump, but is that sort of jump really a selling point? to me I just wouldn't want to be on something that gave that much air to a fence.
Genuine question.
Kx

It would put me off too.

I love to see them ears pricked, working it out, rounding naturally, lifting naturally. The way that one is jumping I would be worried that 1. He would scare himself. 2. He would strain himself. 3. If he does make an error, it will be a big one. 4. I would fall off or pull something on myself!

I have bought some well bred competition horses, none of which had played at higher and higher loose jumping. Having said that, I may buy a green one, but usually backed well enough to see over a small fence at least.

 

[DD]

sounds totally bl^^dy cruel to me!

 

[Goldenstar]

The horse has scope , the ability to jump very big ..if I was looking for a show jumper the really interesting think to see would be the next jump the horse made that would tell you a lot about him .

 

[alexomahony]

Horses jumping like this in sales videos is becoming very popular and people seem to be reacting well to them.

I personally don't like them at all - horses who don't jump economically will damage themselves, loose confidence and be slow against the clock. I imagine horses who jump like this at this age would not make it in classes much over 1.10/20... if they feel they still need to give that much height over bigger fences will almost certainly, at some point knock their already fragile confidence.

Methods like wrapping and pinch boots etc to me are exactly the same as souring in poor Tennessee Walking Horses - cruel and unnecessary. I'd be concerned about the training of such an exaggerated jump if I was looking to buy.

 

[Goldenstar]

A friends just linked me to longer clip yes they use a lunge whip is it’s use in any way excessive in the situation no .

 

[Cortez]

Loose jumping has been popular for selling unbroken horses here in Ireland for 20+ years, they even have loose jumping competitions which are wildly popular and attract huge audiences. I'm not sure why since the extravagant jumpers that win these things rarely go on to show the same form under a rider and round a course of fences. The grey horse's jump does not look "normal" and I certainly wouldn't be interested in buying it based on that video, but I don't see anything going on that is forcing it to do that.

I don't bother loose jumping young horses; they'll soon show what they are capable of when they have been properly prepared under saddle.

 

[Blazingsaddles]

No matter what has happened to it in the past by continuing to teach it to show 'scope' all they are doing are giving it joint and soft tissues damage by the time the poor critter is 10yo.

If it was a one off of someone loose schooling their horse who got a bit over enthusiastic once or twice I would probably laugh but this is ruining a young horse who would probably have had a decent future. Imo

Exactly.