There really are some shocking riders out there....

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So an owner calls us up, asks my daughter to come and try her outstanding medium dressage horse, to do juniors with (she's not strictly a dressage rider but does really love it and we'd snap up any opportunity to get another ride!) . It has literally won everything he's done! We loved him from the start, and after riding him asked to have a look at some of his test sheets, as we expected 8s for basically everything with a couple of 9s and 7s mixed in there. Go down to the collectives, all 8s... Have a look at the rider's score....... 2!!! :eek: :eek: We stood there SHOCKED as to how she could even manage that!! The only two we've ever had in a dressage test was when her cheeky (polo) pony reared up and cantered off in the trot! I am completely and utterly mystified as to how she even got that score! :confused: This isn't easy stuff as well, this was an AM test! Just goes to show the world we live in, there are some truly remarkable riders out there with 'cheap' mounts so never get anywhere, but then there are some seriously incompetent jockeys with horses that cost more than the average house!
 
Are you serious?
If so that was one hell of a brave judge to be able to justify giving a 2 in the collectives following a row of 8's. Surely if the horse is going well enough to be getting 8's at AM then the rider can't be that awful. I'm really rather confused by this post.
 
i always thought that the riders collective marks had to be in line with what the horse was getting.... for example, if the horse was scoring 4's / 5's all the way through the test, the judge couldn't give the rider an 8 as the horse wasn't performing well enough?

I would have thought that vice versa - if the horse was executing 8's throughout it's test, I'm not sure how it would have managed that with a rider who was only capable of scoring a 2?

I may be totally wrong, but just remember having that conversation with a judge...
 
If you ARE being serious, do you not think posting this on an internet forum was a pretty bl***y stupid thing to do? If I was the owner of the horse I certainly would not be allowing your daughter to have the ride after what you have just posted!

Of course I am not the owner (have never ridden past Novice) but lets hope the real owner doesn't see your post.
 
I think maybe the judge liked the horse, but perhaps had a history with the rider, maybe they always mark them down? :)
 
Considering this is one of the biggest horse-based forums that lots of people just lurk, I think you're a little bit insane posting this when the test in question is hardly one which is a bit obscure! I know I once posted a 'how much' to try to prove a point, so to speak, about how a horse shouldn't just lose value because of it's breeding (horse in question is a TB). Looking back, that is an exceptionally silly thing to have done as a) the horse isn't ours and b) tongues will wag and the potential for people to start spreading rumours was large.

Imagine if HammieHamlet turns out to know this lady, so next time says "Oh, who are you have ride your lovely horse? I saw a post about a test you did where you got those mad riding marks, about incompetent riders ruining horses...". Bam, bye bye lovely horse!
 
could have been a 7 written funny?

very strange to get that mark when the rest of the test was ok?

Like others have said though if you liked the horse etc and wanted the ride then I would have thought twice before posting this!
 
rhino said:
If you ARE being serious, do you not think posting this on an internet forum was a pretty bl***y stupid thing to do? If I was the owner of the horse I certainly would not be allowing your daughter to have the ride after what you have just posted!

Of course I am not the owner (have never ridden past Novice) but lets hope the real owner doesn't see your post.
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Just what I was thinking, was scrolling down to put my reply.
 
Very, very unlikely to have been a 2 unless the judge was, frankly, insane.

The collectives have to be in keeping with the movement scores. Almost impossible for a combination to get a 7 on a movement if the rider is on a 2! I bet you misread the sheet.
 
Aside from the above mentioned warnings re how everything on the internet is out there forever . . . I really don't see how that's possible. If the rider is doing a good enough job to allow the horse to be getting 8s then, almost by definition, they are doing a "sufficient" job and looking at a 4 or 5 and even that is questionable. If the rider does something unacceptable enough to warrant a two then a fair portion of the marks would also be "insufficient" and the horse would not be winning. Not to mention that the collectives are double so a two at the bottom would drop the score a fair bit.

The only people I've seen get scores like that for riding have also been warned for things like whip use - they certainly weren't winning the class!
 
TarrSteps said:
Aside from the above mentioned warnings re how everything on the internet is out there forever . . . I really don't see how that's possible. If the rider is doing a good enough job to allow the horse to be getting 8s then, almost by definition, they are doing a "sufficient" job and looking at a 4 or 5 and even that is questionable. If the rider does something unacceptable enough to warrant a two then a fair portion of the marks would also be "insufficient" and the horse would not be winning. Not to mention that the collectives are double so a two at the bottom would drop the score a fair bit.

The only people I've seen get scores like that for riding have also been warned for things like whip use - they certainly weren't winning the class!
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Echo I would even go so far as to say it is almost impossible 'if' being judged properly
 
Halfstep said:
Very, very unlikely to have been a 2 unless the judge was, frankly, insane.

The collectives have to be in keeping with the movement scores. Almost impossible for a combination to get a 7 on a movement if the rider is on a 2! I bet you misread the sheet.
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^^^^^this, there is no way in hell an affiliated judge would give a 2 in those circumstances, the collective marks should mirror the marks gained during the test. I suspect the OP has misread the sheet.
 
sorry, i think you misread it.
i've received enough test sheets, and written for enough judges, to know that the collectives are almost always exactly in line with the rest of the marks, at most 1 mark up or down.
if the rider was good enough for the horse to get 7s, 8s and 9s, no way would any sane judge give the rider a 2.
i really hope this isn't a troll. i thought CR was magically troll-proof.
 
kerilli said:
sorry, i think you misread it.
i've received enough test sheets, and written for enough judges, to know that the collectives are almost always exactly in line with the rest of the marks, at most 1 mark up or down.
if the rider was good enough for the horse to get 7s, 8s and 9s, no way would any sane judge give the rider a 2.
i really hope this isn't a troll. i thought CR was magically troll-proof.
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^^ haha, me too :p:D
what a bizarre post! also, putting aside the fact that its just not possible to get a 2 when rest of test is 7s and 8s (even i've never got a two and i've done some horrendous tests full of 3s and 4s :o), if someone was showing off a horse, they would surely pick out good test sheets to show- wouldn't they?? bet it was a badly written 7....did you ask about it??
 
There really are some shocking trolls out there....back in the day you'd give them a 7 or 8 for effort but to be honest this one only deserves a 2!!! Now go away trolly & do the homework about what you want to troll about!!!
 
amage said:
There really are some shocking trolls out there....back in the day you'd give them a 7 or 8 for effort but to be honest this one only deserves a 2!!! Now go away trolly & do the homework about what you want to troll about!!!
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Lol! Either the above or the OP is one of those pushy mothers who over estimates her offspring's abilities and has just shown her total ignorance of the dressage world!
 
If this isn't a troll, then it's the epitome of a pushy mother. I can't imagine I'd want your kid riding my horse as you sound bitchy as hell.
 
In the coming season of Darbee you will see my horse thunder in action in Durby.I have hired special trainers for this and i hope i will be a new addition in race with good results.
 
9tails said:
If this isn't a troll, then it's the epitome of a pushy mother. I can't imagine I'd want your kid riding my horse as you sound bitchy as hell.
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I wanted to post something along these lines but was too scared, but actually I agree completely, clearly the kid is destined for the olympics at any moment & no one else is up to their amazing standard.
 
TheSylv007 said:
excuse my ignorance but what is a troll? sounds intriguing...
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someone who deliberately posts incendiary comments, or lies etc, on a forum, to stir up a debate and/or trouble. there are quite a lot in NL (one recently about horse having supposedly been burned with a cigarette by young relative, then she said her house was on fire etc, it was just ridiculous!)
this one... i'm not sure. it's either a troll or a totally delusional mummy. i really don't know which is worse!

Actually, i'm now wondering whether the horse in question was Alf... ;) ;) ;)
 
kerilli said:
sorry, i think you misread it.
i've received enough test sheets, and written for enough judges, to know that the collectives are almost always exactly in line with the rest of the marks, at most 1 mark up or down.
if the rider was good enough for the horse to get 7s, 8s and 9s, no way would any sane judge give the rider a 2.
i really hope this isn't a troll. i thought CR was magically troll-proof.
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Im with Kerilli (and others) on this - i also do a fair amount of dressage writing and the collectives have to be inline with the scores given throughout the test so there is no way it could have been a 2. Probably a 7 i should think.
 
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