Those over 45 with pre 1997 licences - help!!!

Hell, this is doing my head in - I just LOOKED at my 'new' licence (re-issued after I gave it up on medical grounds.) On the back, as much as I can read, I have AM, A, B1, B, BE, until I turn 70 - when I have to dance through more hoops. Previously I could tow trailers, and drive a 71/2 tonne lorry. Does this still apply?
 
ossy said:
I believe pretty much everyone is on the photo card licences these days all these licences, well the ones I've seen anyway, on the back have expirey dates on your entitlements and to renew these entitlements you do need to fill out the forms provided.
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Emmm, nope! I'm still a grumpy old dinosaur with a paper licence.............. ;)

Just thinking about getting a little lorry, hoping that DVLA won't be chucking any spanners in my works about it.
 
stevieg said:
Goodness me!! That was alarming. Heart rate back to normal by the time I got to the end of the thread though :)
I still have a pink paper licence. Am I right in thinking I don't need to renew that.
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You will need to at age 70 or before if you need a new licence issued for any reason such as changing address
 
JanetGeorge said:
Hell, this is doing my head in - I just LOOKED at my 'new' licence (re-issued after I gave it up on medical grounds.) On the back, as much as I can read, I have AM, A, B1, B, BE, until I turn 70 - when I have to dance through more hoops. Previously I could tow trailers, and drive a 71/2 tonne lorry. Does this still apply?
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At age 70 you simply do a self medical ok to drive form

If you want your pre 97 entitlements back in the C & D categories then you need to contact DVLA medical and ask them what they need you to do
 
DVLA have just confirmed that I had a PROVISIONAL Cat C1 from years ago (must have got it after I did the theory). Provisional entitlements used to be shown on the old paper licence, but are no longer listed on the photocards. It doesn't affect my 'normal' 7.5 tonne and towing. Phew!

So I can ignore the scary paperwork, but will need another medical if I want to go for my HGV.

Apologies to anyone I freaked out with this thread, and cookies to all those (esp. ROG) for your help and support.
 
OP, glad all sorted :)

Rog, to confirm what you mentioned earlier....those of us with pre 97 licences can drive on entitlement till 70.
At 70 one then 'self signs' every 3 years and can keep up to 3.5t licence?
For anything exceeding 3.5 and up to 7.5 we will then required to have a dvla medical??
Is this from 'now'? (asking as I have a friend who drives his 6.5 hunting regularly & he is coming up for 70 in the spring & wasn't aware of additional medical, just the self sign for 3 years)

Ta Rog :)
 
The Xmas Furry said:
OP, glad all sorted :)

Rog, to confirm what you mentioned earlier....those of us with pre 97 licences can drive on entitlement till 70.
At 70 one then 'self signs' every 3 years and can keep up to 3.5t licence?
For anything exceeding 3.5 and up to 7.5 we will then required to have a dvla medical??
Is this from 'now'? (asking as I have a friend who drives his 6.5 hunting regularly & he is coming up for 70 in the spring & wasn't aware of additional medical, just the self sign for 3 years)

Ta Rog :)
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At age 70 any categories in the C & D entitlements are removed unless a D4 medical is passed and that lasts for 3 years
Categories in the A & B entitlements are retained by signing a self certifying fitness to drive form
Those with paper licences must get photocard ones at age 70 because DVLA no longer issue paper ones
 
As coincidence would have it, this morning I received my paperwork to have a medical examination for my Class 1 licence as I will soon be 50. I am interested AA, or Rog, or anyone else who knows, on how difficult it is to earn some money casually, when I have not have any update training? I think I could still drive a private vehicle with none, but if I were paid for driving I would need the rigmarole of 40 hours of training or something?

I am interested as if I have the CPD/update training, or whatever it is, wrong, and do not need it, or it is less trouble than 40 hrs training, then I *may* decide to do the medical and keep the licence.
 
Red-1 said:
As coincidence would have it, this morning I received my paperwork to have a medical examination for my Class 1 licence as I will soon be 50. I am interested AA, or Rog, or anyone else who knows, on how difficult it is to earn some money casually, when I have not have any update training? I think I could still drive a private vehicle with none, but if I were paid for driving I would need the rigmarole of 40 hours of training or something?

I am interested as if I have the CPD/update training, or whatever it is, wrong, and do not need it, or it is less trouble than 40 hrs training, then I *may* decide to do the medical and keep the licence.
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I think you mean driver CPC training - you need to attend 35 hours DCPC training ti get a DQC - driver cpc card - to allow you to drive LGVs commercially

Seems to be plenty of ad-hoc agency work at various times of the year
 
ROG said:
I think you mean driver CPC training - you need to attend 35 hours DCPC training ti get a DQC - driver cpc card - to allow you to drive LGVs commercially

Seems to be plenty of ad-hoc agency work at various times of the year
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Thank you. So, for the ad hoc agency work you would need the cpc card, so need 35 hours of training? Is that annually?

How would that work for a groom driving a horse wagon? I had to turn down some driving abroad a few years back for a show jumper, as, despite being a "known name" the show jumper did not have an Operator's licence. I reckoned that was not legal, so I did not go. I presume that would also need a cpc/ operator's licence/ tacho that is annually tested and recording?
 
Red-1 said:
Thank you. So, for the ad hoc agency work you would need the cpc card, so need 35 hours of training? Is that annually?

How would that work for a groom driving a horse wagon? I had to turn down some driving abroad a few years back for a show jumper, as, despite being a "known name" the show jumper did not have an Operator's licence. I reckoned that was not legal, so I did not go. I presume that would also need a cpc/ operator's licence/ tacho that is annually tested and recording?
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35 hours every 5 years so average 7 per year after doing first 35

If groom is driving LGV commercially then DQC needed

Not certain on other issues asked so best to ask on the trucknetuk site
 
ROG said:
35 hours every 5 years so average 7 per year after doing first 35

If groom is driving LGV commercially then DQC needed

Not certain on other issues asked so best to ask on the trucknetuk site
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Thank you. I think if I was correct about needing hours of training, then I will let the licence lapse.

As an aside, if I let it lapse, and then wish to drive, is it simply a case of having a medical, doing the training and then being good to go?
 
Red-1 said:
Thank you. I think if I was correct about needing hours of training, then I will let the licence lapse.

As an aside, if I let it lapse, and then wish to drive, is it simply a case of having a medical, doing the training and then being good to go?
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If you let the medical lapse then even in 30 years time all you need to do is to pass a D4 medical to get it back

Driver CPC only needed for commercial LGV/PCV driving
 
pennyturner said:
I have received a form d47p from DVLA, which says that my 'bus and lorry' entitlement is going to expire, and I need to complete a huge form, medical report, new photos etc. It's only recently I renewed my licence with new photos.

I have a 'normal' pre 1997 licence with C1, D1, BE, C1E, D1E, but no HGV or PSV.

Is this a mistake, or some new horror I don't know about? If I don't do this, do I lose my right to drive up to 7.5 tonnes or tow?
The explanatory leaflets all read like they're intended for commercial drivers.
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When I reached 50 I had to do a dvla medical and eye test to keep the 7.5 = LGV C1 HGV 7.5 ton on my license to be able to drive my horse box. I have filled in one so far and just filled another one, you will need one of these every 5 years It cost about £ 100 and something to your doctor to carry out the medical. I advice you have your eyes tested before you go otherwise if the doctor fails you you lose that medical.
 
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ROG said:
At age 70 any categories in the C & D entitlements are removed unless a D4 medical is passed and that lasts for 3 years
Categories in the A & B entitlements are retained by signing a self certifying fitness to drive form
Those with paper licences must get photocard ones at age 70 because DVLA no longer issue paper ones
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Thanks for confirmation Rog :)
 
TYSSANDI said:
When I reached 50 I had to do a dvla medical and eye test to keep the 7.5 = LGV C1 HGV 7.5 ton on my license to be able to drive my horse box. I have filled in one so far and just filled another one, you will need one of these every 5 years It cost about £ 100 and something to your doctor to carry out the medical. I advice you have your eyes tested before you go otherwise if the doctor fails you you lose that medical.
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You do not need to spend anymore than £50 for a medical, there is no stipulation that you have to go to your own doctor.
 
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