Tiffany's chihuahuas

ktj1891 said:
No puppies aren't as we are not showing or breeding them but parents are KC registered.
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Interesting. We will not be showing nor breeding from our pup - but we still bought a KC registered one. Not having a go OP, just curious as to why when parents are registered the pups wouldn't be. It seems to make a fallacy of the whole pedgree and breeding process.
 
Generally amymay the reason for pups not to be KC registered when the parents are is because the KC would refuse to register them. This could be either because one or both the parents have an endorsement on their papers saying they can't be bred from, or the bitch has had the maximum number of litters allowed. I hope your pups are okay OP (and ideally not from the same litter) but wish you had come back and asked for a bit more advice.
 
Just out of interest have you bought one for your Mum and one for yourself? Also, without wishing to pry do you still live at home - as in will the pups be brought up together or separately? Also, if together, what sex are they?

Must admit that my estimation of Champdogs has gone down. :(

PS Sorry to have misunderstood earlier and glad that your Mum was involved in the selection process! :)
 
Sorry I didn't realise champ dogs weren't that reliable. We bought from someone we thought was reputable and also recommended by a friend in the showing world. Both puppies are healthy not from same little. One short haired and one long haired. Both my mums and will be brought up together we also have two other dogs. I just wanted advise. Of tiffanys or recommendations for reputable breeders. We have them now and what's done is done. Maybe not what others do but I was led to believe they wouldn't need to be registered.
 
Whoops, unregistered pups from registered parents. !!!!!!!
Alarm bells to me. Probably due to over bred bitch.
When I was looking, I phoned after pups who weren't registered even though both parents were, just to ask the question, why.
She told me, they are being sold as pets, so to keep the cost down to customers with no interest in breeding or showing we didn't go to the expense of registering as we would have to pass that cost on. These pups were priced at £850.
When I told her I was familiar with pedigree dog registration and it cost £15 per pup, I suggested they couldn't be registered because the bitch had had too many litters. She put the phone down on me after delivering a torrent of filthy language.
 
ribbons said:
Whoops, unregistered pups from registered parents. !!!!!!!
Alarm bells to me. Probably due to over bred bitch.
When I was looking, I phoned after pups who weren't registered even though both parents were, just to ask the question, why.
She told me, they are being sold as pets, so to keep the cost down to customers with no interest in breeding or showing we didn't go to the expense of registering as we would have to pass that cost on. These pups were priced at £850.
When I told her I was familiar with pedigree dog registration and it cost £15 per pup, I suggested they couldn't be registered because the bitch had had too many litters. She put the phone down on me after delivering a torrent of filthy language.
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I didn't know this and this was what we were told pretty much too. It sounded like a reasonable reason to me and suggested that they were protecting their puppies. Nothing can be done now and we are happy with them so will enjoy them regardless.
 
ktj1891.....am glad that the pups are from different litters. Are they the same age though? Also, what sex are they both?
You've obviously got experience as you have other dogs, but I would never sell litter siblings or pups of the same age from different litters to the same home. It is said (yes, I know!) that you need to spend twice the time with EACH dog individually as the pups spend together!! So, for every hour they interact alone together you need to spend two hours with each pup separately!! Otherwise, they will bond more with each other than with you....or your Mum!

OK....I'm coming at this from having working gundogs but the principle is still true in order to produce an all rounded, sane, happy pet.

I am hoping that you have not got two bitches.....or????
 
Ok, yes it's done now and I'm sure these two have fell on their feet and will have long lives in a loving home.
Sadly not many people understand the KC reg system and that there are excellent reasons behind it. I've worked a lot in whippet and IG rescue and some of the poor little bitches I've witnessed is heartbreaking. It was wonderful when they brought in the breeding restrictions, unfortunately the results have been far less wonderful than we'd hoped for. Simply because generally people don't know the facts and believe what unscrupulous breeders tell them.
Enjoy the puppies, love them lots, and please please spread the word now that you know.
NEVER EVER buy unregistered pedigree puppies. It will always be because the breeders are breeding from dogs they shouldn't be.
 
MurphysMinder said:
Generally amymay the reason for pups not to be KC registered when the parents are is because the KC would refuse to register them. This could be either because one or both the parents have an endorsement on their papers saying they can't be bred from, or the bitch has had the maximum number of litters allowed.
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Thanks MM for explaining that to me. Good to know.
 
ribbons said:
Ok, yes it's done now and I'm sure these two have fell on their feet and will have long lives in a loving home.
Sadly not many people understand the KC reg system and that there are excellent reasons behind it. I've worked a lot in whippet and IG rescue and some of the poor little bitches I've witnessed is heartbreaking. It was wonderful when they brought in the breeding restrictions, unfortunately the results have been far less wonderful than we'd hoped for. Simply because generally people don't know the facts and believe what unscrupulous breeders tell them.
Enjoy the puppies, love them lots, and please please spread the word now that you know.
NEVER EVER buy unregistered pedigree puppies. It will always be because the breeders are breeding from dogs they shouldn't be.
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I believe and understand all your saying. If we had know we wouldn't have bought them but believed the reasonings. Live and learn but the pups will be well cared for. We did see mum as she did look happy and healthy.

We have all bitches again mums choice, but the girls we have ATM and very chilled out 12 year old parson- my girl, 6 year old yorkshire and now the two pups. There's a weeks age between them.
 
......but I would never sell litter siblings or pups of the same age from different litters to the same home.
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Funnily enough, when we went to see the litter from which we got Daisy, I wanted to bring home two. Breeder refused and would only allow us the one. Thank God! One is plenty of work.
 
ktj1891 said:
We have all bitches again mums choice, but the girls we have ATM and very chilled out 12 year old parson- my girl, 6 year old yorkshire and now the two pups. There's a weeks age between them.
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Bitches can and do live harmoniously together - especially when there is a good age difference as per with your parson and yorkie. HOWEVER, it is relatively common for two bitches of the same age (which to all intent and purposes your pups are) to start scrapping when they get to adolescence/breeding age. The old saying is that 'dogs fight for breeding rights and bitches fight for breathing rights'. Once a pair of bitches have started it is often impossible to trust them alone together again and it often ends up with one or the other being rehomed as most homes are not well set up to keep two dogs permanently apart.

I am telling you this, not to rain on your parade, but so that you are well prepared and can look for the little signs in advance and seek advice when/if appropriate.

In the meantime, enjoy your pups! :)
 
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ktj1891 said:
Papers were being sent to is today.
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Err....what papers? Thought you said that they weren't KC regd?? Tbh anything other than KC papers aren't worth the paper their written on so I wouldn't lose any sleep if they don't turn up. They can be a work of complete fiction....not saying that yours are, but am aware of cases in the past where this has been so. Fingers crossed for you.
 
MurphysMinder said:
Generally amymay the reason for pups not to be KC registered when the parents are is because the KC would refuse to register them. This could be either because one or both the parents have an endorsement on their papers saying they can't be bred from, or the bitch has had the maximum number of litters allowed. I hope your pups are okay OP (and ideally not from the same litter) but wish you had come back and asked for a bit more advice.
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Or in the case of chis, because they're merle so can't be registered? I wouldn't touch unregistered dogs ever again, and certainly not without thorough health tests with good scores. There is no (good) reason why pups from KC parents can't be registered and if they're not, it is definitely dodgy.

Re vaccs, I'd rather not have any in case my vet doesn't have the same brand as the original.
 
I hope you enjoy your pups OP and that we get some pics :), it does seem sad that this breeder has two bitches producing unregistered litters so have probably had too many litter.
 
For anyone that wants to see them meet Bambi and Xena!
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Scrumptious.
I've always had hounds, mostly whippets. After two dog less years I needed a tiny dog, in order to take to work with me. I decided to have a chihuahua and am delighted with my little girl. She is beautifully behaved, super friendly with people and other dogs, and wonderful company.

Your mum is going to have so much fun loving those two little treasures, and they will give so much love back.

Absolutely gorgeous.
 
Hello,

Firstly, it is very common for Chihuahua puppies to be sold unregistered if they are not show quality, even from the very best breeders. It safeguards the lines and avoids unsuitable puppies being put in the show ring. Its not something I've seen so commonly in other breeds, but an awful lot of the chi breeders do this so that wouldn't concern me too much.

I don't agree with selling two pups from the same litter - of any breed - to the same home. So that's disappointing to hear. And those puppies do look very young.

Shame I didn't see this thread sooner as I am always being told on FB about breeders unable to sell their pups, and for a L/C puppy to a pet home you can usually get them for under £500.

But, congrats on the new additions and I hope all is well with them :)


(Oh, and on the original topic - Tiffany Chihuahuas are a well known puppy farm within the Chihuahua breed and ask extortionate prices for pups of poorer quality that you would get as last pick in most reputable breeders litters!!! STAY CLEAR!!!)
 
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