Tiger attack- One dead, two injured.

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BBC news report here.

Sympathies to the familes of them people
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It makes you wonder whether the cat was happy in its enclosure if it went to such extreme measures to get out (jumping a moat!). They might want to rethink their enclosures - i've seen some very good tiger sanctuaries where the tigers live in a protected wild environment - it might be worth questioning whether Zoos that use these creatures as entertainment (referring to the public feeding) are really ethical?
 
Would you feel like that if it was your OH or family member that had been killed by this tiger?
 
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I'm sorry but I feel more sympathy for poor Tatiana.

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Yup - the tiger acted naturally in an unnatural situation, and nothing morally wrong, so poor tiger for being shot.

BUT - to feel MORE sympathy for the tiger than for the families of the innocent people killed and seriously injured by the tiger is more than a little weird in my book.........?!
 
It is terible for the families involved.

I feel very sorry for the tiger, but probably best she is dead considering the life she has been leading. Cats do need a stimulateing environment if they are not actively hunting or being mentally stimulated in some other way. I have heard that surplus breeding stock from zoos are culled when a home with another zoo cannot be found. This came from a lecturer in zoology/animal behaviour so a pretty reliable source. I don't believe in breeding for public entertainment, though better than taking stock from the wild. Breeding to save an endangered species is also fine, but NOT when the ecconomics of it is that zoo reared cubs who cannot be found a suitable home will be culled and not rehabilitated into the wild as we all like to imagine.

Very, very sad.

PS - I am not an animal rights activist - just very interetsed in cats
 
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I'm sorry but I feel more sympathy for poor Tatiana.

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Yup - the tiger acted naturally in an unnatural situation, and nothing morally wrong, so poor tiger for being shot.

BUT - to feel MORE sympathy for the tiger than for the families of the innocent people killed and seriously injured by the tiger is more than a little weird in my book.........?!

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Weird? I've been called worse!!!

Yes It is unfortunate that people were killed and injured. I don't dispute that. However those people were quite possibly leading happy content lives and having a nice day out.

I feel more for the cat as she must have been in a living hell. She is probably better off dead tbh. It makes me wonder how many years of torment she had suffered.
 
Very very sad. Sounds like the zoo has some serious enclosure issues if a tiger can escape. Poor cat sounded very unhappy. Its such a shame that these animals end up dead whenever anything like this happens (she got out in the first place due to human error).

Im sure the US families will sue for a few million... They always do...
 
I do feel sorry for the tiger, but how else do you get an enraged tiger to stop attacking people. Tranquiliser guns are no good with casualties around - a stray dart will kill a human quicker than a stray bullet - any hit would be enough! Large animal immobilon - the usual (possibly only) quick acting sedative strong enough - is lethal stuff to humans, so there would have been no sensible alternative.
 
That sounds just awful. I wondered if someone had deliberately let the tiger out, but it doesn't sound like it.
Trouble is, when they find out how easy humans are to kill, Big Cats tend to repeat the exercise. There is trouble in the USA where Mountain Lions are attacking hikers in the wilderness.

We have a local safari park where cars are driven through the enclosures and it is pretty scarey driving past the lions with just the car between them and us. Interestingly the tigers are not out in the enclosures, so perhaps they are more agressive and liable to attack people?
 
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I do feel sorry for the tiger, but how else do you get an enraged tiger to stop attacking people. Tranquiliser guns are no good with casualties around - a stray dart will kill a human quicker than a stray bullet - any hit would be enough! Large animal immobilon - the usual (possibly only) quick acting sedative strong enough - is lethal stuff to humans, so there would have been no sensible alternative.

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I agree. Don't think they would have any choice but shoot to kill.

It does sound a bit fishy to me though. I wonder if there is any more to the story.
 
Having seen it on the news I have no idea how the tiger could jump the size of that massive moat AND the fence at the end of it - It was a maaaaassive moat
 
TBH its a big moat and a high wall but i think that a full grown siberian tiger is MORE than capable of covering that distence.
15ft isn't that wide and 20ft high is NOT that great.

Better to see what they can do in the wild to see what they are capable of?

Is it purely a case that it SEEMS sufficient as it 'generally' would be enough?????

When the Elephant ran amuck in ...(bad memory here - i think it was elsewhere in the USA, caused carnage and injured people) it was discovered that although the peeps who built the enclosure thought a 4ft thick wall was plenty, elly experts from Africa and elsewhere said it was woofully inadaquate....

Is this another similar but more tragic incident??
 
Reminds me of the time on TV when they were trying to trap a man eating crocodile - the "expert" agreed that the metal trap that had been built was OK - well when they went the next morning the poor goat had been taken away and the metal cage was shredded. No crocodile.
 
I just dont think zoos should exist! maybe with animals that are more "tame" it is moe manageable but housing a tiger you are asking for trouble, have to admit feel sorry for both the tiger and the families
 
I think that if zoos didn't exist then people would never see a wild animal close to, and simply not care about what happens to them in the wild, they would be theoretical, not real.

In several zoos they are doing very valuable research and breeding work to try and save species in the wild.
 
I have seen a tiger jump from the ground, over an elephant's head.... thats a jump..

Zoos should exist, if nothing else than to preserve the animals we as humans are so intent on wiping out. Wether or not now, zoos have become little more than childrens petting corners is another matter.

The tiger did what it was made to do, I cant understand why people act so shocked. The peoples families must be devastated, but you cannot blame the tiger - she was the only one acting out of instinct.

What Im trying to say in my waffling way it its unfortunate the tiger had to die for a human mishap. But yet again it goes to prove why ultimately these animals will all probably end up dead, because they have the capacity to kill humans - easily - and thats something that humans cant handle.
 
terrible tragedy. Horrible for the families and a shame for the tiger but what else could be done??

thinking about it (i know very little about tigers) but if you can think how high cats can jump up on to things in relation to their size then that fence wasnt really that big for the tiger in comparison? As i said, I know nothing about tigers its just an observation.
 
very sad for the families indeed, but i agree the animal was exhibiting natural behaviour in unnatural surroundings, you cannot blame the innocent animal thats for sure, i am sure no one does, very sad really, wild animals are not here for our pleasure in these circumstances, we should see them in the wild ideally, tigers are so beautiful and very rare
 
The problem is for many years it was trial and error with regards to breeding rare species. With most species they still don't understand the in-and outs and captive breeding programmes are unsuccessful. For example cheetahs were often kept together in captivity which was fine - they got on well but no little ones. Why? Female cheetahs won't mate with an animal they live with and hence regard as a relative. Keep males and females apart, introduce at the right time and hay presto you've got a chance of some babies. But it was YEARS before anyone cottoned on to this. Sadly subspecies embryo transfer is not being too sucessful (e.g horse mares carrying zebra foals) but I believe unless zoo animals are kept in the best possible conditions it is unfair and other options should be looked at - such darting in the wild for sperm collection and insemination. Yes, the darting is stressful but better than being in a cage
 
QR - I'm a little confused about this thread.

Firstly, are people just assuming the tiger was miserable? Yes, it might well have been, but alternatively, maybe it wasn't?

Secondly - is it natural for tigers to attack and kill humans? Yes they hunt in the wild, but humans are not their natural prey, and they hunt to eat - not just to kill and maul 3 different people.

I DO feel sorry for the tiger, but funnily enough, nobody questions it when a vicious dog is put down for attacking people, or a "rogue shark" is killed because its developed a taste for human blood, or a horse is shot because it repeatedly rears over backwards on people. These animals are not the usual, and I think it is jumping to conclusions to assume the animal was miserable, or that it was just being "natural."

It is a tragedy for the animal, and for the people involved - I am not really a big fan of zoos, I like natural wildlife parks, however I think shooting the animal was probably the only solution.
 
According to the news (!) the fence was below the recommended height and it had a ledge next to it
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AND the tiger mauled a keeper last year ..
 
Humans destroying natural habitat, Humans locked it up, humans built the enclosure, humans let it escape, humans killed it, tiger only acting naturally, think I see a pattern emerging.

Yes very sorry for the victims and families, lets face it it could be any of us visiting a zoo or wildlife sanctuary.
Think humans need to be a bit more careful with the planet and wildlife generally, where do all the little and large creatures go everytime a housing site or factory or airport or industrial estate or supermarket ect are inflicted on the countryside, maybe it's a good job people in this country only have put with squirrels nesting in the roof and not lions tigers elephants ect.
 
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Secondly - is it natural for tigers to attack and kill humans? Yes they hunt in the wild, but humans are not their natural prey, and they hunt to eat - not just to kill and maul 3 different people.

I DO feel sorry for the tiger, but funnily enough, nobody questions it when a vicious dog is put down for attacking people, or a "rogue shark" is killed because its developed a taste for human blood, or a horse is shot because it repeatedly rears over backwards on people. These animals are not the usual, and I think it is jumping to conclusions to assume the animal was miserable, or that it was just being "natural."



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I would question all of the above situations actually.

And no it isn't the norm for a tiger to eat a human, but its a carnivorous animal so its hardly unlikely. Im sure it would have killed anything that was in its immediate path, which just happened to be humans.
 
Hmm funny though that it didn't eat the human did it? It killed one and mauled two more. To me that sounds like an aggressive attack, rather than hunting for food. Cats are not stupid, and it is not normal for them to attack and kill at random.
 
Its not normal for them to jump out of cages and be surrounded by people either. But anyone who thinks its unnatural that a big cat kills people needs their head examined. There's a reason people are locked outisde of the cage I think...
 
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