To all you olympia baby haters!

Chidren are indeed small people, who have to be socilised, but that should be done by their care givers, primarily, the rest of the human race should not have to stop in their tracks and put their own enjoyment to oneside so that the child is happy. No other species expects adults which are not part of the family group to tolerate youngsters from another group misbehaving round them.
 
EmmyMD said:
I don't think anyone on here has said they don't like children? Just that if theyve paid £50 for some entertainment they'd prefer to not have it ruined by a screaming under 12 month baby?! How is that so unreasonable
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Well another poster has actually said that they dislike children, I'm just saying that it is the behaviour that is not likable rather than the child. It's not unreasonable to feel irritated that your evening is disrupted.
 
I found a lot of annoying adults too :P
Thankfully not while watching the performances though! I was waiting to look at/pay for something and all I could hear was some loud, vile woman saying how the ponies that were jumping were CLEARLY lame and THAT'S why they fell off and they deserved it! She then went on to say how she didn't care much for dogs, or Shetlands, or the Santa bit at the end...

Why did you go then?!!
 
Spot_the_Risk said:
I've never been to Olympia - it's a long haul from Devon - having read this thread I don't think I'll ever make the effort either.
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You should! It's amazing :)
I went alone, which is why I paid an unusual amount of attention to my surroundings. I don't usually care what others are doing. It really is a wonderful day out!
 
doriangrey said:
Well another poster has actually said that they dislike children, I'm just saying that it is the behaviour that is not likable rather than the child. It's not unreasonable to feel irritated that your evening is disrupted.
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Yes I said I dislike small children. I find them irritating, noisy and disruptive. Perhaps I have only met these sorts of children, as I'm sure there are nice ones out there.....however the ones in tescos on a Wednesday evening at 10pm screaming their way around with 1/2 their clothes off with their hand shoving biscuits in their mouth is not really helping my perception of them.....

I was never allowed to eat in public (apart from in a restaurant/pub) when out with my mother, nor was I allowed to walk anywhere but by her side. Once old enough to understand I was not allowed to scream or cry, I was expected to sit correctly and not fidget. I was also severely told off if I stared at anyone!
I don't think these are big things to ask for a polite, well mannered child and if more children were like this perhaps I would like them more!
 
doriangrey said:
I found it surprising that we could go into a restaurant with a young child and not get disapproving looks. How can you not like a child? Dislike the behavior certainly, but not the child that 'you' once were.
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TBH I dont remember ever getting disapproval looks for my daughter just because we were in the same place with anybody else... Not in UK, not abroad. Did changed nappies in all sort of places as staff always was eager to help.
On the other hand, I (OH, in-laws) did skipped/delayed meals and walked outside no matter what weather is until she fall asleep/calmed down and I DO get irritated by "little darlings" who´s parents have no respect for other people.
 
Not all children are spoilt brats in fact most of them are not. But I love the way some of these posters were such perfect children themselves lol, of course you were :)
 
I'm not intolerant of all children either, it's the badly behaved little darlings that annoy me, but then badly behaved adults also annoy me. Whether it's a 6 year old running amok on a commuter train or an adult who has no manners, it makes no difference - just can't stand anyone who doesn't behave for want of a better word in public.

I swear public manners are declining...



As for the above comment about 'perfect when you were all young' - I had a temper tantrum in a shop at the age of 4, my mother took me straight home and I never did it again. I was brought up to behave in public!
 
My daughter is 4. She is polite well mannered and does as she is told usually. She also has the concentration span of a goldfish and about as much bladder capacity, for this reason I will not be taking her to olympia for a few years yet. My friends daughter has been coming with us since she was five and is brilliantly behaved and a pleasure to be with. My daughter is no less well behaved but I know it is not the place for us yet. I think it is about knowing your child and making the decision for them not yourself.
 
I don't like kids regardless of their behavior but I never called myself tolerant or rational :D

The cinema near where my sister lives runs an early viewing for kids where they can spend the whole film asking what's happening or being taken to the loo :) Fab idea. Her husband likes to take their kids cos he can take his laptop too and get some work done and nobody bats an eyelid, though how he can concentrate in that environment I do not know. Probably special filtering skills you get when you become a parent or something!
 
TandD said:
Yes I said I dislike small children. I find them irritating, noisy and disruptive. Perhaps I have only met these sorts of children, as I'm sure there are nice ones out there.....however the ones in tescos on a Wednesday evening at 10pm screaming their way around with 1/2 their clothes off with their hand shoving biscuits in their mouth is not really helping my perception of them.....

I was never allowed to eat in public (apart from in a restaurant/pub) when out with my mother, nor was I allowed to walk anywhere but by her side. Once old enough to understand I was not allowed to scream or cry, I was expected to sit correctly and not fidget. I was also severely told off if I stared at anyone!
I don't think these are big things to ask for a polite, well mannered child and if more children were like this perhaps I would like them more!
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Tbh I didn't quote you directly and I was responding really to the poster who said that nobody had said they dislike children so sorry if you felt I was making a point of your post. I do believe that parents should teach their children to be well behaved, and I also said I do understand if people's entertainment is disrupted by children who are disruptive - but that's not the fault of the children but the adults looking after them I think. Anyway, going back to Spring Feather's comments - I don't think she is far off. We travelled extensively when I was young and we took a caravan to mainland europe and then into eastern europe. I remember (even as a very young child) that in the UK we stopped for breaks and ate in the caravan but as soon as we were on the continent we ate in restaurants and that was just normal for me. Is anyone here from the 'coke and crisps in he car' generation because children were just not allowed in the pub even if parents wanted a pee break? Just doesn't happen in Ireland.
 
doriangrey said:
How can you not like a child? Dislike the behavior certainly, but not the child that 'you' once were.
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Why does the fact that I was once, as a result of nothing to do with me, a child, mean that I must now find children likeable?

I don't get the connection, sorry.
 
doriangrey said:
Is anyone here from the 'coke and crisps in he car' generation because children were just not allowed in the pub even if parents wanted a pee break? Just doesn't happen in Ireland.
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ah, yes-or some grim 'family' room that noone ever used lol. I don't have kids, don't particularly like them, never wanted them. At some point I had to accept that I was in the minority and that, shock horror, the word 'public' in the phrase 'public spaces, actually includes children. Bad parenting is a different issue. We do, as Brits, have a different attitude towards kids in public than any other country I've been to.
 
doriangrey said:
Tbh I didn't quote you directly and I was responding really to the poster who said that nobody had said they dislike children so sorry if you felt I was making a point of your post. I do believe that parents should teach their children to be well behaved, and I also said I do understand if people's entertainment is disrupted by children who are disruptive - but that's not the fault of the children but the adults looking after them I think. Anyway, going back to Spring Feather's comments - I don't think she is far off. We travelled extensively when I was young and we took a caravan to mainland europe and then into eastern europe. I remember (even as a very young child) that in the UK we stopped for breaks and ate in the caravan but as soon as we were on the continent we ate in restaurants and that was just normal for me. Is anyone here from the 'coke and crisps in he car' generation because children were just not allowed in the pub even if parents wanted a pee break? Just doesn't happen in Ireland.
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I am of that generation, however never had coke and crisps in the car, as my parents stopped at cafes or restaurants and sister and I sat at the table, with decent table manners and could be taken anywhere, not because we were perfect, but because we were socialised to behave appropriately. Also we were not taken to events which we would find too difficult to manage. My parents were of the opinion that if you chose to have chldren then you changed your lifestyle aaccordingly
 
cptrayes said:
Why does the fact that I was once, as a result of nothing to do with me, a child, mean that I must now find children likeable?

I don't get the connection, sorry.
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No need to be sorry ;) It means that you are also subject to the same - nobody has to find you more likeable/unlikeable because you are what/who you are.
 
FestiveG said:
I am of that generation, however never had coke and crisps in the car, as my parents stopped at cafes or restaurants and sister and I sat at the table, with decent table manners and could be taken anywhere, not because we were perfect, but because we were socialised to behave appropriately. Also we were not taken to events which we would find too difficult to manage. My parents were of the opinion that if you chose to have chldren then you changed your lifestyle aaccordingly
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I think you misunderstand me, we children were not allowed because of the restrictions of the time and not because of the restrictions of my parents! I'm so lucky to be so well travelled - but on the continent the family unit was not restricted as it was in the UK, that is my point.
 
doriangrey said:
I think you misunderstand me, we children were not allowed because of the restrictions of the time and not because of the restrictions of my parents! I'm so lucky to be so well travelled - but on the continent the family unit was not restricted as it was in the UK, that is my point.
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I tink you misunderstood me, I did not have coke and crisps in the car because my parents ensured that family outings were just that and as at that time chlldren were excluded fom pubs, they never featured on their itinery. Also my mother would not have been happy for her children to be exposed to adults in drink.
 
I spent many happy hours in the car while mum and dad were in the pub, drinking coke and eating crisps even sat on the wall outside on summers evenings,
I do think there is a time and place for kids to be out and about but kids give so much they are well worth any trouble
I spent a very frustrating day at HOYS with a stupid woman doing a running commentary on the classes as some sort of journalist she ruined the whole thing for all of our party and was far more distracting than the odd kid screaming. If kids should be quiet and let people enjoy the show then adults should have an even greater respect for the people around trying to watch and make up their own mind about the order. This particular group obviously thought they were better judges than the ones in the ring and screeched and moaned the whole day
We did ask them to be quiet but think they thought the notion was incomprehensible and we were from another planet because we wanted to watch in peace. No option to move away from them as the place was packed solid
 
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FestiveG said:
I tink you misunderstood me, I did not have coke and crisps in the car because my parents ensured that family outings were just that and as at that time chlldren were excluded fom pubs, they never featured on their itinery. Also my mother would not have been happy for her children to be exposed to adults in drink.
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Thank you - these were not 'family outings' we were travelling from the UK and then on the ferry from when I was 5 to the age of 16 years old (I'm 50 this year) so Dover to Calais or Harwich to Hook of Holland. Then my father drove through Germany/Holland to Poland. My parents did not expose me to drink, they needed a break and we were not allowed as children to take a break with them as there were very few facilities at that time. That is why they spent time with us in the caravan until the continent, they were not quaffing booze!
 
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Every time i go anywere i get someone fat sweaty,smelly,loud,know it all,talks a lot usually rubbish,someone with a great big head in front of you blocking your view. How annoying .My point being am i or you one of those people to someone else.Children are the horse worlds future wether you like it or not.
 
lizbet said:
Every time i go anywere i get someone fat sweaty,smelly,loud,know it all,talks a lot usually rubbish,someone with a great big head in front of you blocking your view. How annoying .My point being am i or you one of those people to someone else.Children are the horse worlds future wether you like it or not.
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Exactly ;)
 
doriangrey said:
Thank you - these were not 'family outings' we were travelling from the UK and then on the ferry from when I was 5 to the age of 16 years old (I'm 50 this year) so Dover to Calais or Harwich to Hook of Holland. Then my father drove through Germany/Holland to Poland. My parents did not expose me to drink, they needed a break and we were not allowed as children to take a break with them as there were very few facilities at that time. That is why they spent time with us in the caravan until the continent, they were not quaffing booze!
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You were travelling as a family, as were we. Adults drank in pubs, our parents were aware of that, mine were excellent at finding cafes, so we never had a problem with finding facilities.
 
FestiveG said:
You were travelling as a family, as were we. Adults drank in pubs, our parents were aware of that, mine were excellent at finding cafes, so we never had a problem with finding facilities.
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Travelling where? We were on the road for much of the time at one point on the autobahn the only 'stoppage' was pine trees, there was no such thing as a little chef .. we did stop and stay at a wonderful, old german castle hotel, I believe that was for my 16 birthday such wonderful memories, I remember the bathroom was huge and old with a clawed bathtub. Lucky me :)
 
doriangrey said:
No need to be sorry ;) It means that you are also subject to the same - nobody has to find you more likeable/unlikeable because you are what/who you are.
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It is a fact that it's a rare human who is liked by absolutely everyone who meets them. The point made by the poster was that because we were all once children, that we should therefore all like children. I fail to see the connection.
 
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