To complete the fun Trilogy.BSJA Rules. What changes would you make?

Welcome to the debate, Kevin - wondered where'd you been!

Bottom line is I think the bsja should let the show centres run shows and classes that suit their clientele. Every show centre knows their own business.
Categorisation was brought in to supposedly sort out any shows clashing, has worked to a certain extent was not well enough. I know 2 show centres within 10 minutes of each other that run almost the same schedule last season. This shouldn't happen under new system.

The show centres that spend the time, effort and money will win through in the end as the competitors will support them.

Agree with the idea that ponies should only jump in junior classes. My son has just started doing Amateur classes and can't beleieve the numbers of ponies that whizz round .90m and 1m classes.
 
I jump a (barely) 14.3hh in seniors as I'm way past junior age (!) and I get soo much aggro off other seniors! Hence I am against this rule, we all pay the same to register it whether its 14.2hh or 16.2hh.........

Last weekend I was beaten by two 14.2hh's in a blue chip qualifier on my 16.1hh mare but at the end of the day they had just as much right to be in the line up as I did!

Deffo bring back the 3 refusals for baby classes, I think also if you fall off, you shuld be able to get back on and jump one fence (not the whole course as it'd take forever, I'm all for getting through classes quickly!)
 
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Going off thread slightly for a minute -
At next years shows we are planning on doing some b.novice single phase instead of a7 or two phase - would you as competitors like this or not?

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what show centre do you run ??
 
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Hi Cazzy - welcome to the forum. I've spent the whole of this thread trying to work out who you are. Just twigged!!

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aghhhh i havent ?!?!?!?!
 
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Hi Cazzy - welcome to the forum. I've spent the whole of this thread trying to work out who you are. Just twigged!!

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aghhhh i havent ?!?!?!?!

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The answer was in my earlier reply to Cazzy...and Gadget jumped there in August I believe
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Due you feel anymore enlightened now
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I agree with the refusals and falls rule

- Would like to see them bring back about not showing a horse the fence - the amount of times I've seen people walk their horses up to a fence does my head in!
- Would also like to see a rule established RE bitting - I was horrified to see a pony being ridden in a Pelham on one rein, on the curb at juniors last week! Child was also wearing spurs. I hate seeing the tiny tots go round in spurs - don't get me wrong, a lot of them are competent little jockeys, but some aren't. Which leads to...
- Would like to see a rule similar to PC - some sort of accreditation to wear spurs unless your 13 or 14.
- Can't really comment on it now as am out of Juniors, but would be nice to have some smaller "Children On Horses" classes across the country - IE 1m & 1.10m rather than not hearing anything about it til the 1.20m international.
- PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE bring back some rules on turnout. I'm horrified at what I see in the ring. In the rule book it does state about how hair should be properly secured in a safe manner - but the ring stewards / judges never seem to enforce it, and it's a safety thing! Shirts must be done up, and if no collar then a white stock [if not in tweed]. Would also like to see rules on navy / black plain jackets only, and please get rid of the bling.
- Oh, and a ban on the KP fleeces. Saw one SENIOR BSJA last week. On a GELDING. It was just...wrong on so many levels!
 
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Would also like to see rules on navy / black plain jackets only,

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NO!!! dont say that. I've finally found a jacket that fits me and its grey
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Agree with getting shot of the bling though
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Hi Cazzy - welcome to the forum. I've spent the whole of this thread trying to work out who you are. Just twigged!!

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aghhhh i havent ?!?!?!?!

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Got it yet Stacey? -- Pyecombe
 
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Hi Cazzy - welcome to the forum. I've spent the whole of this thread trying to work out who you are. Just twigged!!

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aghhhh i havent ?!?!?!?!

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The answer was in my earlier reply to Cazzy...and Gadget jumped there in August I believe
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Due you feel anymore enlightened now
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Good cryptic clue Rambo!!!
 
Personally I can't see anything wrong with showing horses the fences. I do it all the time. I think it is especially useful for youngsters and can make the difference between a clear and elimination.

When I was in Ireland you could 'walk' the whole course on horseback for 90cm and 1 metre courses. This was before the class started so the same time you could walk on foot if you wanted to. I found it really helpful.

I agree with many posters that elimination for 2nd refusal should be changed. Other nation showjumping rules allow 2 refusals and as others have said it really benefits inexperienced horses and riders.
 
I would agree with Talavera. Where did turnout go???

I appreciate that I am a strict traditionalist in tweed and yellow breeches etc. I don't mind GPA style hats, and I like black/navy jackets. Green for the Irish, and dark grey ones are attractive too.

However- can we get rid of red ones unless at top level please?! Can we get rid of GPA style hats with sparkly turquoise strips....can we dispense with flying hair (you'd have never gotten away with that in PC!) and overall, can we chuck in a ban on those horrid JW jumping jackets- we're showjumping- not warming up for the 800 metres!!

I don't mind the 2 stops rule, but then am fortunate to have had horses that didn't stop, only rolled poles with frightening frequency LOL

I'm another who hates pre entries, and LOVES 2 phase. I love being able to rock up, enter, jump and go home...I hate standing around for hours for a jump off, by which point horsey is asleep and cold, I've looked at the course too long and feel nervous, and over analyse it etc. and I hate speed jumping cold. Rather have my blood up and push on.

I don't mind ponies at seniors particularly- yes, they turn quicker, but they struggle with distances. And not forgetting, there's no rule to say we couldn't all ride ponies really... basically I think they're mega brave to throw themselves over big fences on widgety ponies! Not for me, thanks!
 
definitely membership fees are way too high i sadly wont be renewing mine this year.
and to add insult to injury i then get sent literature telling me how much profit the BSJA have made !!!
it costs around £180 to affiliate for 12 months and other than being able to enter an affiliated show i don't feel you get much for your money especially as when you get to a show the entry fees are so expensive Christ !!! £18 to enter a B.N.
i think they could maybe put a tier system in force where the higher you jump the more you pay. it might even encourage more people to join.
 
I don't agree about the registration fees being too high
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If you think how many people join the BHS as Gold members (c.£100) just to get the 3rd Party Liability Insurance...the BSJA membership gives you a superior level of cover TO as standard PLUS the option to compete under a structure with guaranteed prize money, consistent coursebuilding, a set appeals procedure and reasonable recording of results / performance.

For any of you have children that play football...you will be well aware that annual registration fees for the FA are c.£80...and for that you really do get nothing
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Oh, and you already DO pay more the higher you jump (in theory) as the fees for Grade A and B horses are more than those for Grade C's
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Overall I think the BSJA has the best interests of it's members at heart...but obviously not everything they do will please every member. The aim I guess is to keep as many as possible happy whilst meeting their obligations to all stakeholders
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I thought BHS Gold was more around the £50 mark??

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Erm, it may be that I bought a family membership...but it was definitely nearer £100. A non-jumping member of the BSJA would be around £50 and you'd still get the insurance
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I thought BSJA was going to be friendly, I am soon to register my pony to jump in seniors, she's not an expensive high powered model, & just planning on some intro for my own enjoyment, the BSJA accredited coach I train with is encouraging me, though you are right, the jumps do look bigger & the distances are a problem at times. If other seniors are going to glare at me & be unfriendly, maybe I'll stay in the riding club!!
 
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If other seniors are going to glare at me & be unfriendly, maybe I'll stay in the riding club!!

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They'll only glare at you if you beat them.
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Just smile back
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Aaah thanks TimeFaulter, will be too busy being white with nerves & holding the breastplate to smile at anyone!! If you see someone on a small black pony looking frightened, please come & say hi!!
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If other seniors are going to glare at me & be unfriendly, maybe I'll stay in the riding club!!

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They'll only glare at you if you beat them.
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Absolutely !

There are all shapes and sizes at BSJA and it matters little what you turn up on...it's what you go home with that counts
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Unlike certain disciplines, nobody can mark you down because your horse or face doesn't fit
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I have one very 'flashy' horse and one 'train wreck' who can be quite frankly, embarrassing sometimes....but which do you think is the more consistent
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I thought BHS Gold was more around the £50 mark??

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Erm, it may be that I bought a family membership...but it was definitely nearer £100. A non-jumping member of the BSJA would be around £50 and you'd still get the insurance
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BHS Gold Membership is £50 ish, but the insurance is far better than the BSJA one. There is no excess with BHS, BSJA has a £1,000 excess on any claim
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- which is why I joined the BHS.

I don't mind Ponies jumping, unless they are complete talented freaks of nature they only really win up to about 1m, after that the distances tend to get them - obviously there are exceptions to this. Also my horse is faster than a pony, when she is sound
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I also have to say when I was a junior competing in seniors there were some noses seriously put out of joint
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Won a BN at Arena UK, and the lady that came second was a c*w on the lap of honour. I was 14, fairly small and slight, on a sod off 16.3 ID x TB. On the lap of honour, she tanked past me on her 15hh-something zippy thing, gave me a filthy look, and pulled up at the end in her loose ring snaffle. I took another lap to pull up in my myler combi
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for all she knew I could have been on a youngster, or a spooky pony...It was the same at Keysoe when I was second in a two phase BN. I was first in, and it took til the 38th horse out of 45 to beat me. There was one lady who was seriously not happy, and proceeded to make it increasingly awkward for me - until she left after the BN and I jumped in the disco and 1.05m
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I thought BHS Gold was more around the £50 mark??

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Erm, it may be that I bought a family membership...but it was definitely nearer £100. A non-jumping member of the BSJA would be around £50 and you'd still get the insurance
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BHS Gold Membership is £50 ish, but the insurance is far better than the BSJA one. There is no excess with BHS, BSJA has a £1,000 excess on any claim
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- which is why I joined the BHS.

I don't mind Ponies jumping, unless they are complete talented freaks of nature they only really win up to about 1m, after that the distances tend to get them - obviously there are exceptions to this. Also my horse is faster than a pony, when she is sound
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Just checked the BHS site...and it's £53 for the first member and £36 for the second (i.e OH)...plus £5 joining fee...all in all £94 for me and OH.

Take your point about the excess though...and I notice the liability has been reduced to £2m this year...think it was £5m last year.
 
Thanks for being so encouraging Rambo, it was people like you I was hoping to meet, & the idea of everyone starting on a level footing is an appealing one, at least its not subjective like other disciplines, where you pull out all the stops then the judges best mate wins!! Whoever posted that ponies only really win up to 1m, sounds fine by me, unless you are about 10 with nerves of steel, 1m looks quite tall on my little ponio!! Feel much encouraged, perhaps you aren't all so scary after all!!
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sorry but i stick with it that affiliating is blooming expensive. unless your jumping every week and actually winning prize money !!.
as for insurance i have that separately so that isn't an issue.
i do agree the courses seem better at affiliated shows distances etc.
and i imagine there's a lot more people with normal jobs to fund their horses than those pros that are usually competing in the week when the rest of us are 9 to 5 which leaves you with a lot less options for affiliated shows at weekends.
 
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