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think Ruby has been watching Alexandra's programmes...todays bucks were getting into proper buck territory...
She deposited me into an oxer which is unusual for her, her stops arent dirty and once she has commited she tends to jump and she is really trusting compared to when I first started jumping her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVTpdZJ4rcA
Took her into the clear round ring and I honestly dont recall how many times she got me off, prior to today I had fallen off her twice in the 12 months Ive had her.
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I dont fall off this horse!
Once she jumps she is fine, a little mentalist but its the getting through her stress head prior to the 1st jump that is now a problem. Everything is religiously checked, she even had her back on track pad on whilst she waited for the previous classes to finish.
She is already on a calmer that agrees with her, but any good mare supplements? It really is her head that blows , although today the ground was harder than I would have liked.
Knowing my luck she will be lame tomorrow.
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Hmm, sounds a bit strange. A friends horses started doing this sort of thing on harder ground and it turned out to be a discomfort thing because of concussion.
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Hope its not that and you get it sorteed!!
 
Sorry don't have any suggestions but that doesn't look like an easy ride. I think you did well to stay on as long as you did!
 
Am thinking that also - will chat to farrier as I do like jumping on grass and is easier to find a grass venue. Maybe gel pads for next few months...mmm more bills!? Thank you!
 
Gonna assume that you've done all the normal things to sort it, ie back check, saddle check, back x ray for KS, scanned for ovarian cysts etc etc.

It's not a hormonal supplement, but it has helped with some mares in the past.............

Have a marble inserted into her ladies bits by the vet so she thinks that she is in foal. Hormones with change naturally. Works miracles with some mares....................
 
All normal things done super regularly although saddle is due a check. Not had the vet check for hormonal causes as TBH this week is the worst she has been since Ive had her- but she is not showing in season at all which is annoying. She was in foal when I bought her (then injected to abort) so all last summer she had no seasons. Her character is who she is , I know there are a lot of hoppity skippity SJers out there so can accept that I just do not want her to be in pain or skewiff in her mind.
Will ring the friendly vet on tues..
 
looked very uncomfortable... get saddle checked asap and talk to vet
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well done though you sat very well untill that point
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Crikey that looks so altered for her - the last couple of vids she really seems to have been more settled and listening to you. She seemed much more forward/distracted and sort of running as well today or am I just imagining things? She also seemed to get more and more stressy/running etc. No advice really but it must be so frustrating as when she gets there she soars.

Well sat that looked very very tricky I got bucked off in the collecting ring last week just getting on so maybe you would like to hone your skills on my ginger blingy one!
 
Thats exactly how it felt H, even when I finished the CR course she was buzzing away and that was in a pelham. The jump she has given me when she is settled is phenomenal and she truely is a pocket rocket- just at the mo the rockets fire in the wrong direction!
Oh no, are you wounded at all? what were you up to? Send him down south for a rodeo pony boot camp- only entry requirements are to be a stressy fretting pony owner! Do you want another ginge?...
 
She was def a lot more stressy than the last vid you posted. Some of those bucks were RATHER large.

The ground did seem rather dry judging by the amount of dust being kicked up. Can you go to an arena venue on a surface and see if she is any difference.

Hope you get sorted soon.

Well done.

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thank you - she was much the same on instructors good surface in the week but as ever she gets much more neurotic at shows so perhaps a surface party needs to be organised. Actually quite glad didnt run again in that main ring .
 
Not injured rather embaressed!! Only dressage again got placed 4th and 6th. Due to my complete inability to ride straight lines (or ride at all) and some fairly waspish bucking been relegated to much cantering over poles.....ho.hum.....I'll swop you for a week but only on the agreement we both get those inflatable bouncing body protectors my old bones won't take any more falling off!!!
 
on a serious note though, she must b in discomfort there somewhere, is she doing this at home too? ground is hard at mo, could be that, call to the vet is a goodf move i think. hope to see a vid of calmer waters very soon!
 
I'd like to bet there is something hurting somewhere, that isn't just high spirits, look at the tail swishing at the same time.
I would have a back person look at her (if you are near the south west we have just used a first class man) and a blood test done from your vet re her hormones, I'm assuming you have tried her on regumate?
I honestly don't think that's excitablility, more "Ouch, bloody get off!"
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She does look like there is something wrong with her, and sounds it too from your description. I'd be getting a full work up done.
 
The bucks look pretty hollow and she looks to be running away from them, to me that says pain. I really would have a good vet check her over as a priority
 
Im arranging the physio today and will see if can get another physio out too . My vet suggested having her physioed under sedation to really move everything around but to me surely she cant react if anything is bothering her?
 
What has the vet said about it being something that isn't obviously physical like kissing spines or ulcers or ovarian cysts or whatever?! I mean something which can't be detected by eye but requires diagnostics such as x rays or scans or endoscopy?

I too think there is more to this than a wired SJer, she looks like she is telling you to get off right now!
 
Because this behaviour has only just come on his week! She was bucky when vetted and he didnt feel that it was a true problem as such, most probably a combination of her being 'hot' and a badly fitting saddle. The same vet that vetted her came out the other week for her and we spoke about the buck and again he didnt think much of it.
She is fed high fibre feed, never left without roughage at all.
I have another horse who is just coming back after two years off after lameness examinations so do not deny mine vet treatment in any way- but I feel all these investigations will for sure open up a can of worms- of course she will have something wrong with her and most probably (dont most of them?) have low grade ulcers.
 
Yes, but then again a lot of these things will have an effect on performance to the the point where treating them means you get a nice consistent horse again.

Re ulcers, yes, 67% of comp horses and 95% of racehorses have them....and the result of treating them where you have clinical evidence of them in terms of behaviour is usually a dramatic increase in performance and consistency.

I suppose I can't see why you'd want to spend the money on physio/manipulation under deep sedation when you haven't a clue what the problem actually is. BBs has had her horse manipulated like this and it has worked wonders, but she had a diagnosis first.....

The alternative is to ignore her behaviour, accept getting bucked off/deposited into fences and live with the fact that if this is a pain/discomfort related issue that it may get worse with time and almost certainly won't get any better no matter how much work and time you put into her. I have no issue with the idea that thing can be behavioural, but I'd want to know I'd ruled out something clinical first as otherwise it would always be at the back of my mind.
 
I hope I havent come across as ignorant of your advice or which avenues to persue first, as everything has been written down! Am very grateful for the time you have spent replying TBH.
The trouble is I know I have a hot, tricky horse with a buck that for the most part (the hop skip buck) is here to stay. Regards the dirty stop, I am sure that is related to me being a mug and running her in that class, I should have gone home when I saw the scud clouds being kicked up.
Regards the bigger meaty bucks, I know the saddle is due a check and in the 2nd video I posted the bucks were bigger as someone told me to pad the saddle out more even though I know she reacts when there is too much under saddle(hence no SJ fluffy pad)
The thing is that I havent the foggiest where to start with a comprensive MOT? So the best I can do at the moment is to rule out the variables I know have changed first ie saddle, physio and mare supplement plus also coligone or the like before she competes. Oh and not jumping on hard ground like a fool too.
When the avenues I can sort are exhausted - then I will be happy to drive her to the surgery for a workup but for the sake of two weeks I would like to get my side of things sorted before admitting yes we need veterinary attention and yes I have tried all my bases first.
 
Okay, there is one easy thing you can do in the interim that might shed some answers - a bute test, speak to your vet. One week on high bute dose, if she improves you know you have a problem. If she has ulcers it won't change things and may even make her slightly worse. If this is negative then deffo saddle check and by all means physio check. I would then look to have her on regumate, if still no improvement then I would ship her off for a full vet work up
 
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I hope I havent come across as ignorant of your advice or which avenues to persue first, as everything has been written down! Am very grateful for the time you have spent replying TBH.
The trouble is I know I have a hot, tricky horse with a buck that for the most part (the hop skip buck) is here to stay. Regards the dirty stop, I am sure that is related to me being a mug and running her in that class, I should have gone home when I saw the scud clouds being kicked up.
Regards the bigger meaty bucks, I know the saddle is due a check and in the 2nd video I posted the bucks were bigger as someone told me to pad the saddle out more even though I know she reacts when there is too much under saddle(hence no SJ fluffy pad)
The thing is that I havent the foggiest where to start with a comprensive MOT? So the best I can do at the moment is to rule out the variables I know have changed first ie saddle, physio and mare supplement plus also coligone or the like before she competes. Oh and not jumping on hard ground like a fool too.
When the avenues I can sort are exhausted - then I will be happy to drive her to the surgery for a workup but for the sake of two weeks I would like to get my side of things sorted before admitting yes we need veterinary attention and yes I have tried all my bases first.

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No, not at all - and I did the same thing with my horse when he started being a bit off. Trouble was it got a bit better then a bit worse and I ended up wasting months when I could have got it sorted much more quickly and I wouldn't take the same path again - I had my normal vets who've always been good in the past out twice and they told me he was fine etc - had bloods run, had saddle checks, had physio etc etc.

I ended up going to a well-known practice which deals with performance horses a lot (Willesley) for a 'loss of performance workup' - it was obvious from the questions that I was asked on the phone that they were a lot more clued up on this kind of thing than your average equine vets. My horse was booked in for an endoscopy in the morning to check for ulcers (as you say incredibly common and the eventual problem) and lameness workup in the afternoon if the morning had drawn a blank. I was told to bring tack and be prepared to ride him, and two different specialist vets were booked to look at the different possible issues.

I'd handle it very differently in future now, but then again my horse was always very honest and willing to work. I made all kinds of allowances for his behaviour along the lines of hard ground, possible virus etc, but there was an underlying issue and until I solved it things went down hill.
 
Can I ask what sort of loss of performance your horse had? I remember your posts about treating the ulcers but not about what happened prior.
I have just arranged Physio tomorrow for her and hopefully the saddler too.
My friends horse has just been treated for ulcers and she also told me to feed and manage her forage at least with that in mind so I will give her a call today to see if she can suggest anything I can try to see if that will bring a change in behaviour.
Although its probably not possible to see from the videos, she is willing to jump (aside from that rather obvious jump) and is taking me to a fence without rushing at them so she does enjoy what she does and so far Ive been lucky enough to work with her way of doing things.
Did your vets have to refer him? I have Liphook as my closest large horsepital- but Glos is not far if it is the right place to go.
thank you again
 
Would advise you on no account to go to Liphook. Must go to Willesley in Gloucs! They will not make silly observations and tell you ridicolous things. They always find a positive solution. It will be worth your while and you have nothing to loose by getting her checked out by the best people.
 
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