Towerlands Welsh Medal show-My worst experience ever!

Wow MarketTrader that was some rant.
Firstly my horse behaved brilliantly so you must have him confused with another. His only fault was he didn't stand square. This was despite the carrying on with the man hurling abuse. Have I actually named anyone? No and its not because I don't know who they are.
Secondly my kids behaved superbly.
Thirdly the stud I bought him from is most definatley not as you decribed and it is disgraceful that you would suggest this. I searched for many months knowing exactly what I was looking for and I am not some head in the clouds niave buyer.
I certainly didn't stay as a spectator, it was a case of straight in the box, home and off to my sons performance as I was running seriously late.
Never in my life have I complained about any show I have attended, never have I voiced my opinion negatively about anybody online or otherwise. I thought long and hard about doing so this time but like I have said before there was an element at that show who like it or not treated their horses in an appalling manner. If folk remained silent about such things what a sad world it would become.
 
I am never aggressive nor disrespectful to other horse owners and i never post on these forum things but sometimes people are quick to get on here and give welsh horse owners a bad reputation for no reason, how people treat their horses should not be of no opinion of anyone they are not asking any of you to feed them, pay for the entries the diesel etc so people should keep their opinions to their selves and not post stuff that is not 100% true. Maybe now people will keep their opinions to themselves and mind their own business! That is the best thing for everyone. You will never change people using bags or bottles or ginger whether it is right or wrong, it is of no business to me as it is no business of anybody elses! People do things differently it is not right to try and right wrongs on a forum.
 
And another thing regarding the stud section of my rant, this does happen but only because the bad uns take advantage of naive buyers but this happens with all breeds, does not mean all people are the same the good are being and feeling discriminated because people are too quick to only post the bad stuff they see and never the good.
 
markettrader said:
I am never aggressive nor disrespectful to other horse owners and i never post on these forum things but sometimes people are quick to get on here and give welsh horse owners a bad reputation for no reason, how people treat their horses should not be of no opinion of anyone they are not asking any of you to feed them, pay for the entries the diesel etc so people should keep their opinions to their selves and not post stuff that is not 100% true. Maybe now people will keep their opinions to themselves and mind their own business! That is the best thing for everyone. You will never change people using bags or bottles or ginger whether it is right or wrong, it is of no business to me as it is no business of anybody elses! People do things differently it is not right to try and right wrongs on a forum.
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Why should people keep their opinions to themselves. Animal abuse is everyones business, anyone who thinks otherwise cannot describe themselves as an animal lover.

Most people on this forum are animal lovers
 
markettrader said:
I am never aggressive nor disrespectful to other horse owners and i never post on these forum things but sometimes people are quick to get on here and give welsh horse owners a bad reputation for no reason, how people treat their horses should not be of no opinion of anyone they are not asking any of you to feed them, pay for the entries the diesel etc so people should keep their opinions to their selves and not post stuff that is not 100% true. Maybe now people will keep their opinions to themselves and mind their own business! That is the best thing for everyone. You will never change people using bags or bottles or ginger whether it is right or wrong, it is of no business to me as it is no business of anybody elses! People do things differently it is not right to try and right wrongs on a forum.
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You have been agressive and disrespectful. I have been a Welsh horse owner for well over 20 years. I am passionate about the welsh breed. If you saw a child being struck would you simply say thats none of my business? Or any other animal for that matter. Personally I can't as I do have a conscience. If this is a part of Welsh showing then no I do not want any part of it - but turn a blind eye? thats just cowardly. Not a pram in sight!
Maybe somebody should shove some ginger up your backside!
 
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markettrader said:
And another thing regarding the stud section of my rant, this does happen but only because the bad uns take advantage of naive buyers but this happens with all breeds, does not mean all people are the same the good are being and feeling discriminated because people are too quick to only post the bad stuff they see and never the good.
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So I take it from your first post that you are accusing the stud which sold Cambrica her horse of these sort of practices. I am sure they will be most unhappy to hear that. Good thing you dont have to use your real name.


markettrader said:
You mentioned that you purchased from a good stud in Wales, let me let you into a little secret, when Studs sense that someone with little knowledge wants to come and buy from them, they scrape the bottom of the barrel to sell you the horses that they wouldn't even register if it weren't for the whole micro chipping situation.
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Divided opinions are always going to be there but sometimes my point is does it need to be aired on here discriminating the good you never hear of good things which is wrong, Towerlands is a good show with many good people but because of the minority and people only mentioning things that were not as bad as they were painted it reflects badly on the whole community which is unfair and wrong!.
 
markettrader said:
I have sat and read this thread numerous times over and over again today, to say I am astonished by all the jobsworths who have their opinion about how Welsh Section C's & D's should look and shouldn't look.... Jealousy comes to mind, I remember Cambrica's horse in the ring... Firstly it was quite clear that you couldn't control your horse maybe you need to enforce a bit of dicipline, Secondly a horse should be able to get it's head in the manger maybe try lowering it so your horse can actually eat! You expressed your views on "Yobs with Cobs". All because people with cobs express their appreciation of a GOOD COB in the ring (sorry if we didn't appreciate yours). You mentioned that you purchased from a good stud in Wales, let me let you into a little secret, when Studs sense that someone with little knowledge wants to come and buy from them, they scrape the bottom of the barrel to sell you the horses that they wouldn't even register if it weren't for the whole micro chipping situation. When you visited the Royal Welsh you mentioned that you never saw a carrier bag, or a bottle with stones in I find this to be very untrue as 99% of competitors use either one so next time you visit actually observe what is going on around you then maybe you might see the lovely stud you purchased from actually using one of the above to hype their horses up, then you might not be so dissapproving of Yobs With Cobs!! If you was to visit majority of Studs and visited their fields you would only have to show their horses a carrier bag then you will see that the horses are not frightened or treated cruelly, they stick their tail up and show off, does this sound like a frightened horse because maybe I am wrong (which i doubt) but does a horse flag, prick their ears and show off if they are frightened, ain't it the other way round they generally have their ears flat back and their tail clamped down. Please any of you's prim and proper horse owners correct me if I am wrong!!... Regarding the TROLLOP who was seen shaking a whip with a bag on round the children, firstly I think it is highly disrespectful to call someone that who you don't know (maybe you would of got a peice of her mind if you actually told her that on the day hence the reason why you had to air your views on here) Secondly you expressed your views on children running around near the horses, I have read my schedule from that show 3 times and for the life of me I cannot see where it states - Towerlands Welsh Medal Show & Children's Creche. It is a horse show not a childrens play area so if your children or any other peoples were running around near the horses that says more about the parenting than it actally does about the horse handlers. I was not competing at the show this year but had a wonderful time, so for you to state that the handlers beat their horses and treated them in a horrid manner i find this hilarious, I have never read such rubbish. Basically what you and other users on here are saying is that the horses were treated horribly, too fat, scared with bags and bottles etc - you should have opened your eyes and your ears when a horse came in the ring with it's tail up, giving a good show, looked immaculate and in top show condition where was it placed and how were the crowd buzzing , where was your horse standing? and did you get the crowds appreciation Eerm I don't beleive so NO. As for you commending the organisers and the Judges this was the most fictional part I think you wrote becasue I heard with my own ears the show organiser saying outside the ring when the Section D Stallions were in that there was a lovely atmosphere. Also the Section D Judge just before the Section D Stallions were about to come in when the music started he was dancing in the ring clapping getting the audience involved enhancing the atmosphere I personally found this amusing and involving as so did most of the crowd, I bet you were one of the spectators who was sitting in the stand not even smiling like you were at a funeral, this says more about you than it does everyone else. In future I advise all you jobsworths and jealous people to stick to your local shows and leave the WPCA medal shows to those who are more suited unless you can attend without starting World War 3. As for the person who complained about showing to The Who playing, Towerlands as always had music on during their classes ever since I can remember being little and going. Towerlands used to be the first show of the season and was always the one that you got hyped up for mainly becasue of the atmosphere it generated. Everybody had their concerns with Bury Farm because of the area it is situated, becasue it was going to attract people who have got plums stuck in their mouth giving their very little knowledge and opinions to people who to be quite frank couldn't care less about your opinions as they mean very little. Regarding the pictures that were posted these clearly show the affection between the horses and their owners so whoever said that the bottom one was cruel then you really need to keep your opinions to yourself because this man is a farrier and dotes on his animals just like the rest of us, just because some use whips and bags does not mean that they are treated badly. A question for all you's who had an opinion... From my assumptions most of you have ridden horses aswell yes? when you break them do you never use a whip when schooling or use spurs when your horse is not going forward, you can tell everyone on here that you don't but when push comes to shove and your horse ain't going forward bet the whips and spurs come out in full force to hell with what ever you broadcast on here, I bet your horse don't get a stroke and a polo then, so you's carry on lying to yourselves but beleive me behind closed doors I am not far from the truth am I. As for criticising someones appearence I know exactly who you are slagging off all becasue they take pride in their appearence does not mean they are a bad person, we all can't look like Riff-Raff, to be honest some people looked like they needed 24 hours soak in the bath i don't see you criticising them or is that becasue the girls who made an effort made you feel a little insecure with yourselves!!. With regards to the well known family using ginger, if you knew where to get it you would use it aswell, knowledge jealousy is the worst kind because you think you are very knowledgeable but in the end you's are just a riding school graduates. The above is not just aimed at Cambrica it is aimed at everyone who put their two pennies worth in where it wasn't wanted or needed. Cambrica you started this thread and to be honest you should have kept your opinions to yourself but no you came on here aired your views and got everyone on the band wagon so any attitude and dissapprovement you or any of the others get is completely expected, in future think before you start a thread slagging people and their horses off because you will get it back 10 times worse from all angles. I agree there is good and bad in all horsey people but this thread gives people who have welsh horses a bad name and is dissrespectful to the good. In my opinion people should keep their opinions to themself but becasue you all jumped on the band wagon about Welsh horse owners, you have got to have it i am afraid. Sometimes people are good at airing what they beleive to be the truth all over the internet but are they big enough to take some back without chucking their toys out their pram.
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Sorry but this post says so much more about you than it does about the OP. If you cannot put a point across without being personal and spiteful then you have already lost the argument.

Oh and before you accuse me of being jealous, don't even go there or I may have to wipe the floor with you.

I would also suggest that you would be better to use some punctuation, it would make your post much easier to read.
 
I don't even know where the horse came from but earlier on i was angry that the good were not being praised and even the good in the pictures were being accused my whole point is that sometimes bad and good are not equally praised or critisised bad is only ever advertised.
 
Agree with the OP, having shown a youngster at a WPCS show we were nearly mown down by the banshee of bag waving horse whacking brigade.

Went to watch the Welsh D stallion in-hand class at a County Show a couple of years ago and was shocked at how the outside assistance of whip cracking, whacking and bag waving was ignored by the judges.

And when the stallion with the most awful sway back won the class my friend and I decided that the judging was based on a 'clap-o-meter' or in this case, a 'scream-n-bellow-o-meter'.
 
markettrader said:
I don't even know where the horse came from but earlier on i was angry that the good were not being praised and even the good in the pictures were being accused my whole point is that sometimes bad and good are not equally praised or critisised bad is only ever advertised.
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Please feel free to go into my profile by clicking on my user name and find the previous threads on what stud my boy came from. Then please tell me that this is one of your scrape the barrel studs or one that that has selectively bred for over 200 years producing some of the most famous cobs ever. I will be careful what I write out of respect for the owner. I would be very interested what your opinion is then.
 
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Sorry but this post says so much more about you than it does about the OP. If you cannot put a point across without being personal and spiteful then you have already lost the argument.

Oh and before you accuse me of being jealous, don't even go there or I may have to wipe the floor with you.

I would also suggest that you would be better to use some punctuation, it would make your post much easier to read.
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I wasn't going to reply to this thread, because sometimes I think that on this forum it just isn't worth the aggravation BUT I have to say I am disgusted by the last sentence of this posting. A bit of a low blow don't you think? As for 'wiping the floor', obviously you mean online, because I can't imagine for one second that you would be so bold as to say that to the posters face... Seriously, adult behaviour please - some people can't spell, or punctuate, this does not make them inferior.

I think I can speak for a lot of us when I say that we are most offended about the nature of this thread. I have been showing Welsh Ponies & Cobs for 10+ years and I can honestly say, with only a very small minority letting the side down, that I have made some long lasting friends who love their ponies. I think in the past couple of years alone, the only time I can actually think of someone hitting their pony in a way that annoyed me was actually at the HCWPCA Show at Bury Farm but this was a one off incident and was dealt with.

I think that instead of inciting conflict on an internet forum, if you were genuinely concerned about the welfare of animals at the show that you should have raised a complaint at the time. It always makes me suspicious in this circumstance that the OP may have an axe to grind - the organiser of the show is a high profile figure within the WPCS and has never been afraid of putting her opinions forward if she believes they are correct.

For the majority of us that breed Welsh Ponies & Cobs, who work hard day in, day out to improve our stock, look after our stock & show our stock out of pride, to be persecuted for the actions of a very very small minority is very unfair and demotivating. Threads like this are damaging & cast a shadow not only over small studs like myself, but also larger and more well placed studs who have spent years building their reputation.
 
lledrith said:
I wasn't going to reply to this thread, because sometimes I think that on this forum it just isn't worth the aggravation BUT I have to say I am disgusted by the last sentence of this posting. A bit of a low blow don't you think? As for 'wiping the floor', obviously you mean online, because I can't imagine for one second that you would be so bold as to say that to the posters face... Seriously, adult behaviour please - some people can't spell, or punctuate, this does not make them inferior.

I think I can speak for a lot of us when I say that we are most offended about the nature of this thread. I have been showing Welsh Ponies & Cobs for 10+ years and I can honestly say, with only a very small minority letting the side down, that I have made some long lasting friends who love their ponies. I think in the past couple of years alone, the only time I can actually think of someone hitting their pony in a way that annoyed me was actually at the HCWPCA Show at Bury Farm but this was a one off incident and was dealt with.

I think that instead of inciting conflict on an internet forum, if you were genuinely concerned about the welfare of animals at the show that you should have raised a complaint at the time. It always makes me suspicious in this circumstance that the OP may have an axe to grind - the organiser of the show is a high profile figure within the WPCS and has never been afraid of putting her opinions forward if she believes they are correct.

For the majority of us that breed Welsh Ponies & Cobs, who work hard day in, day out to improve our stock, look after our stock & show our stock out of pride, to be persecuted for the actions of a very very small minority is very unfair and demotivating. Threads like this are damaging & cast a shadow not only over small studs like myself, but also larger and more well placed studs who have spent years building their reputation.
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Very well said!
 
I, for one, think the reaction from the welshie showing circle on this thread speaks volumes.

Aggressive, rude, bolshy and illiterate.

Slating each others studs, and admitting to selling 'rubbish' to novices.

I wonder what the wpcs will make of this post, I do hope it's forwarded to them. What an awful reputation the welsh breeders have given each other!
 
ZAULTAG said:
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I was not going to respond to postings after my last because i have aired my unbiased view but i do have to say very well said to Lledrith on a clear and honest post , overall it still does not ring true to me why anyone would act in such a manner ? by posting alleged incidents on an open forum ! if it was such a disgrace and you truly witnessed horses being whipped in the face ! yet you did not report so much as one incident ???? how can you expect show organizers to act and deal with situations if it is not brought to their attention at the time ? this thread is actually pointless ! as there appears to be no evidence in photo, video, witnesses, or reports logged at the show to back your claim.and i find it a little odd that of the hundreds of people there that day you were the only one that saw these dreadful incidents ?
 
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Market Traders post was difficult to read with no paragraphs, I gave up so may have missed something.
Was it last year or the year before that a horse died on the way home from the Royal Welsh as it had been in the blacked out stables they use to make the horses more hyper and scared when they come out and it had over heated due to no ventilation. Such a shame for the breed.
 
Clodagh, another of the mouths with no backup !!!! the horse you are referring to was Geller Pearl and i strongly recommend you speak with the owners regarding the vets findings of her sad passing before you post such nasty untruths. i do hope her owners read your post and contact you because your accusations are disgusting.
 
If you had such knowledge of what happened you would have at least been able to post the mares name ! but no as per usual another that says too much with no evidence to support such vile accusations, i hope the owners of this mare contact you because had it been my mare with post mortem findings i would have taken this so much further , that was simply unnecessary, untrue and damn right lower than a snakes belly , i wouldnt waste spit on such a low life as yourself ! you are a disgrace !
 
markettrader said:
Jealousy comes to mind, I remember Cambrica's horse in the ring... Firstly it was quite clear that you couldn't control your horse maybe you need to enforce a bit of discipline,... You expressed your views on "Yobs with Cobs". All because people with cobs express their appreciation of a GOOD COB in the ring (sorry if we didn't appreciate yours). You mentioned that you purchased from a good stud in Wales, let me let you into a little secret, when Studs sense that someone with little knowledge wants to come and buy from them, they scrape the bottom of the barrel to sell you the horses that they wouldn't even register if it weren't for the whole micro chipping situation. With regards to the well known family using ginger, if you knew where to get it you would use it aswell, knowledge jealousy is the worst kind because you think you are very knowledgeable but in the end you's are just a riding school graduates. The above is not just aimed at Cambrica it is aimed at everyone who put their two pennies worth in where it wasn't wanted or needed. Cambrica you started this thread and to be honest you should have kept your opinions to yourself but no you came on here aired your views and got everyone on the band wagon so any attitude and dissapprovement you or any of the others get is completely expected, in future think before you start a thread slagging people and their horses off because you will get it back 10 times worse from all angles. I agree there is good and bad in all horsey people but this thread gives people who have welsh horses a bad name and is dissrespectful to the good. In my opinion people should keep their opinions to themself but becasue you all jumped on the band wagon about Welsh horse owners, you have got to have it i am afraid. Sometimes people are good at airing what they beleive to be the truth all over the internet but are they big enough to take some back without chucking their toys out their pram.
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Wow! That was quite a personal, and unnecessary dig. I'm also not sure why it's relevant to involve the idea that a certain stud "scrapes the barrow" to sell on unwanted horses? Further enforcing the idea you were 'trying' to stop about this level of showing. Riding school graduates? Im pretty sure everyone starts somewhere, but, if there is somewhere where people are just born with this natural talent to show, ride and care for a horse please let me know, as i for one am still learning after 12 years of having horses. Of course this was after graduating from a riding school.
 
lledrith said:
I wasn't going to reply to this thread, because sometimes I think that on this forum it just isn't worth the aggravation BUT I have to say I am disgusted by the last sentence of this posting. A bit of a low blow don't you think? As for 'wiping the floor', obviously you mean online, because I can't imagine for one second that you would be so bold as to say that to the posters face... Seriously, adult behaviour please - some people can't spell, or punctuate, this does not make them inferior.

Were you as disgusted as I was when I read what marketrader had written to the OP? As for 'wiping the floor' market trader had insinuated that people on this thread were purely jealous no nothings, my statement purely meant if he wanted to talk horse power, I could 'wipe the floor' with him, in much the same way that he/she 'wiped the floor' with the OP with his nasty spiteful comments. As for my other comment, judicious use of paragraphs would have made the post much more easy to read, as it was the post just confirmed what the OP had reported.

I think I can speak for a lot of us when I say that we are most offended about the nature of this thread. I have been showing Welsh Ponies & Cobs for 10+ years and I can honestly say, with only a very small minority letting the side down, that I have made some long lasting friends who love their ponies. I think in the past couple of years alone, the only time I can actually think of someone hitting their pony in a way that annoyed me was actually at the HCWPCA Show at Bury Farm but this was a one off incident and was dealt with.

I think that instead of inciting conflict on an internet forum, if you were genuinely concerned about the welfare of animals at the show that you should have raised a complaint at the time. It always makes me suspicious in this circumstance that the OP may have an axe to grind - the organiser of the show is a high profile figure within the WPCS and has never been afraid of putting her opinions forward if she believes they are correct.

For the majority of us that breed Welsh Ponies & Cobs, who work hard day in, day out to improve our stock, look after our stock & show our stock out of pride, to be persecuted for the actions of a very very small minority is very unfair and demotivating. Threads like this are damaging & cast a shadow not only over small studs like myself, but also larger and more well placed studs who have spent years building their reputation.
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I actually agree with you, however, on reading the rant by marketrader, I was so incensed by their rudeness that I felt I had to respond, to be honest, that particular poster did more damage to the people involved with your breed than anything the OP wrote. As for the OP having 'an axe to grind' - this is surely supposition on your part?

I have no doubt that you care deeply about your chosen breed, however, one thread on a internet forum is hardly persecution!
 
I imagine that the OP did not say anything at the time when she was at the show as show grounds are very busy places, it is often hard to find out who is in charge, and often at such shows the organiser might know many of those exhibiting and be biased and some of the people who treat their horses in an agressive way can also treat people the same way so it could be quite intimidating.

Bags on the end of sticks, stones in bottles, etc are common place in welsh showing so if the organisers felt these things where an issue then they would be banning them, though if they banned their use on the show ground they might not get many competitors. You have to be very brave to question tradition especially if people are know to be agressive. If the WPCS chose they could ban the use of bags on sticks, stones in bottles and other outside interferance such as banging on railings at their shows but they chose not so they obviously think it is acceptable behaviour.

If this sort of behaviour is seen as unacceptable by the majority of welsh owners why not lobby their breed society to get it banned at their shows?
 
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I imagine that the OP did not say anything at the time when she was at the show as show grounds are very busy places, it is often hard to find out who is in charge, and often at such shows the organiser might know many of those exhibiting and be biased and some of the people who treat their horses in an agressive way can also treat people the same way so it could be quite intimidating.

Bags on the end of sticks, stones in bottles, etc are common place in welsh showing so if the organisers felt these things where an issue then they would be banning them, though if they banned their use on the show ground they might not get many competitors. You have to be very brave to question tradition especially if people are know to be agressive. If the WPCS chose they could ban the use of bags on sticks, stones in bottles and other outside interferance such as banging on railings at their shows but they chose not so they obviously think it is acceptable behaviour.

If this sort of behaviour is seen as unacceptable by the majority of welsh owners why not lobby their breed society to get it banned at their shows?
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200 percent wright
 
I have to agree with the OP. I took my well behaved welsh a to a medal show- never again! We were surrounded by lunatics with no regard for their horses or anyone else- huge stallions being wound up by sticks with plastic bags, rattles and so on.
They entered the ring in a dangerous manner, and continued in a dangerous manner.
I had people deliberating rattling things at my pony to upset him, he can be sensitive but thank god he kept his cool.
My welsh pony is taught to behave in a calm manner, to trot out nicely and stand still.
Clearly some of these ponies were not!
All in all it was horrible experiance and I made a vow never to inflict it on him again. We now stick to county shows, NPS etc were behaviour like that is not tolerated.
 
at every show big shows small shows there bags stones in bottels and that is part of the welsh cob showing exiperance and if you do not like it you best find a differant breed :)
 
chad n cory1 said:
at every show big shows small shows there bags stones in bottels and that is part of the welsh cob showing exiperance and if you do not like it you best find a differant breed :)
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No, it is dangerous, ridiculous and does nothing to the ponies looks or mental state. I am never going to a welsh medal show again, after the behaviour I witnessed by owners.
 
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