TRAIL HUNTING CONSULTATION

Sandstone1 said:
There are indeed many many animal welfare issues but this issue of trail hunting needs to be sorted out its been dragging on for years and as the saying goes " Each journey starts with a single step" So yes, I would say trail hunting.
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I'm glad you agree that there are many animal welfare issues. I'm actually pretty confused as to why an activity that is already legislated against and which involves very few animals is most important to you. I'm genuinely horrified that you would choose that over, for example, the ghastly and entirely unnecessary cruelty of using CO2 to kill 7-10 Million pigs a year in the UK. I think your issue with trail hunting is not to do with animal welfare.
 
palo1 said:
I'm glad you agree that there are many animal welfare issues. I'm actually pretty confused as to why an activity that is already legislated against and which involves very few animals is most important to you. I'm genuinely horrified that you would choose that over, for example, the ghastly and entirely unnecessary cruelty of using CO2 to kill 7-10 Million pigs a year in the UK. I think your issue with trail hunting is not to do with animal welfare.
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How dare you tell me what I think!?
What a rude attitude. Yes hunting with hounds is illegal but most hunts choose to ignore that fact. Of course there are many animal welfare concerns. Just because hunting is being delt with now does not mean other welfare issues can not be brought up in the future.
What is my issue with hunting pray tell as you know me and my ethics and thoughts sp well?
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Sandstone1 said:
How dare you tell me what I think!?
What a rude attitude. Yes hunting with hounds is illegal but most hunts choose to ignore that fact. Of course there are many animal welfare concerns. Just because hunting is being delt with now does not mean other welfare issues can not be brought up in the future.
What is my issue with hunting pray tell as you know me and my ethics and thoughts sp well?
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But most hunts are abiding by the rules…..in the examples you posted there were two or three….
I am annoyed that as usual in the world we live in today, the few are going to make it harder for the many….and I would be pleased if people are caught and proved beyond doubt to have broken the law, then justice is carried out, as in all criminal activity…..but please don’t tar the innocent.
 
Sandstone1 said:
How dare you tell me what I think!?
What a rude attitude. Yes hunting with hounds is illegal but most hunts choose to ignore that fact. Of course there are many animal welfare concerns. Just because hunting is being delt with now does not mean other welfare issues can not be brought up in the future.
What is my issue with hunting pray tell as you know me and my ethics and thoughts sp well?
I
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I don't think I have told you in any way what you think! I have just said what I think which is that animal welfare is logically not your priority because you have said that out of all issues you would prefer to focus on something that affects the welfare of very few animals in favour of things that impact on a greater number of animals. Logic would say that prioritising animal welfare should lead to action that would make the greatest impact on the greatest number of animals.
 
Marshpiper said:
But most hunts are abiding by the rules…..in the examples you posted there were two or three….
I am annoyed that as usual in the world we live in today, the few are going to make it harder for the many….and I would be pleased if people are caught and proved beyond doubt to have broken the law, then justice is carried out, as in all criminal activity…..but please don’t tar the innocent.
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I think you have that the wrong way round sadly. I am not going round in circles with this. You have your opinion and I have mine. Lets just see what happens. What I do object to is people telling me my issue is not animal welfare.
 
palo1 said:
I don't think I have told you in any way what you think! I have just said what I think which is that animal welfare is logically not your priority because you have said that out of all issues you would prefer to focus on something that affects the welfare of very few animals in favour of things that impact on a greater number of animals. Logic would say that prioritising animal welfare should lead to action that would make the greatest impact on the greatest number of animals.
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You clearly are telling me what I think....
What people find concerning regarding animal welfare or anything in general is a personal issue.
You may not find hunting cruel I do. I also have issues with shooting for pleasure. Breeding birds not even native to this country looking after them to simply let them out to be shot, I also think factory farming is cruel.
I dislike horse racing and Greyhound racing.
Those may not concern you. One form of cruelty does not trump another. However we are not talking about all those issues we are talking about trail hunting. Do not presume to tell me why I find hunting cruel.

The biggest cruelty is animal slaughter for meat for humans full stop. I can not see that being banned can you? Huge numbers of animals killed, Halal slaughter etc etc. I also find these issues cruel but this is not the subject we are talking about.

We are talking about trail hunting here and your thinly vailed insinuations are insulting.
 
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I'm another who is unsure of the motive of many of those who are vocal against hunting.
When they are speaking of the possibility of Trail Hunting being banned they don't seem to be expressing joy in what they see as the possibility of protection of Wildlife, all I'm seeing is glee, gloating and jibes aimed at those who are hunt supporters.
 
As already has been proven, just because something is banned, doesn't mean it will stop. Most likely to move underground and continue with no oversight whatsoever.

The Police are short on resources, so they need to prioritise something and the majority wouldn't have illegal hunting near the top of the list when it comes to investigating rural crime.
 
minesadouble said:
I'm another who is unsure of the motive of many of those who are vocal against hunting.
When they are speaking of the possibility of Trail Hunting being banned they don't seem to be expressing joy in what they see as the possibility of protection of Wildlife, all I'm seeing is glee, gloating and jibes aimed at those who are hunt supporters.
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Banning trail hunting won't improve animal welfare - foxes are mostly killed by shooting, poisoning and snaring - including urban foxes. I have seen piles of 20 or more shot foxes by field gates - at any time of year. Illegal trail hunting kills very, very few foxes. Banning trail hunting will have negligible impact on fox welfare.
 
Beausmate said:
As already has been proven, just because something is banned, doesn't mean it will stop. Most likely to move underground and continue with no oversight whatsoever.

The Police are short on resources, so they need to prioritise something and the majority wouldn't have illegal hunting near the top of the list when it comes to investigating rural crime.
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Dog fighting for instance - the only reason the police get involved is due to other criminal offences like drugs, extortion, trafficking etc.

Those who want to harm animals, dig foxes out of burrows, toss foxes to dogs will continue to do so. Dogs will continue to hunt muntjac deer.
 
SEL said:
Dog fighting for instance - the only reason the police get involved is due to other criminal offences like drugs, extortion, trafficking etc.

Those who want to harm animals, dig foxes out of burrows, toss foxes to dogs will continue to do so. Dogs will continue to hunt muntjac deer.
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Agreed.
 
I would suggest that anyone that feels strongly about this fill in the form and send it off.

That way everyone has their say, its something that people have strong feelings about on both sides.

If its banned, yes people may still try and do it but it will be fairly obvious if 20 riders and horses are out with a pack of hounds!
The thing is that had people stuck to the law and trail hunted as they should have then it would not have come to this.

A lot of hunts have simply continued as pre ban and so here we are.

This has been on the cards for a long time and hunts have continued to breed Hounds. Guess who will be making a big fuss when it is banned about putting Hounds down because they will not have a job? The same hunts who quite happily put bullets in hounds heads.
Hunts have just blindly continued as pre ban thinking it will be this way forever.

Times change.
yes people will lose jobs, but that happens everyday when business close but there is not huge uproar then.

Just to point out to the poster who was implying I did not care about animal welfare and I had other reasons for being against Hunting, I have had horses for years, born and brought up in a village and have in the past owned sheep and poultry. I have ridden since a child and have even been hunting pre ban.
Yes, I am old! I very quickly decided that Hunting was not for me. I am saying this to clear up the insinuation that I had other reasons for being against hunting.

These are often that people do not understand the countryside. I do, lived in it all my life, Are "Townies" No never lived in a town! Pest control? If that were true we would have hunts in towns and cities as foxes are more of a problem these days. Its a class thing? No, a lot of people I know who go hunting are certainly not upper class! Have had family members who worked for the hunt years ago.
Im am saying this to point out that its not just "Townies and people that do not understand the countryside" that are very against hunting because its not.



There is no point going round in circles, its for others to make the decision now.
 
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