transporting a fallabella in my car

[lhotse]

Why don't you ring the local police station and ask them, after all, it would be them who pull you over.

 

[Sambo]

I think it is pretty clear that is is NOT legal. Why don't ou do 2x journeys, hardly going to take long if it is only 5 miles.

Out of interest how do you propse to get her in the car in the 1st place? Know I'm going to regret asking this.

She will jump in... She doesnt even hesitate.

 

[galaxy]

Under the Welfare of Animals (Transport) Order 1997, you must not transport an animal in a way that causes, or is likely to cause, injury or unnecessary suffering to that animal.

The Regulation requires anyone transporting animals on any
journey to ensure that:

No one shall transport animals, or cause them to be transported,
in a way likely to cause them injury or undue suffering.

The vehicle and its loading and unloading facilities are designed,
constructed and maintained to avoid injury and suffering and to
ensure the safety of the animals.

http://www.defra.gov.uk/publications/files/pb12544c-horses-080711.pdf

Yes you have had the answer.... On page 1!

Your vehicle is NOT designed and constructed to transport a horse, therefore it is illegal. If the police see you, you will definitly be done for it!

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Why not do 2x journeys? It's 5miles FGS hardly going to cost much in time/fuel.

 

[galaxy]

And you REALLY think she can't walk 5 miles???????? I'm sure the average horse walks more than that ambling around their field every day! Of course she could walk it. There's no need to power walk!

 

[tallyho!]

The pony is tiny. The bigger horse is only 14hh!

We have friends who can transport the other two horses. But the little one wont fit in too - we could travel her in the living - but she wouldnt fit through the narrow door!

I know physically I can do it, and that the pony would be 100% fine. She will quite happily stand the whole way.

Whether you agree/disagree that wasn't my question.

I was simply asking if there is a law stating that this is not allowed.

Go for it. If they pull you over, say your an ... erm.... traveller. They might even escort you there

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Yes you have had the answer.... On page 1!

Your vehicle is NOT designed and constructed to transport a horse, therefore it is illegal. If the police see you, you will definitly be done for it!

Thanks Galaxy I was starting to think my post was invisible or perhaps the OP just ignores those that don't give the answer she requires.

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Go for it. If they pull you over, say your an ... erm.... traveller. They might even escort you there

May as well lead the other two from the drivers window, to complete the picture.

 

[tazzle]

I posted above before seeing

So out of 100+ replies I haven't actually had my question answered! Just lots of silly replies and opinions!!!

errrrm I think some people have indeed been constructive and looked for evidence to support their opinions. It looks to me that it is indeed strictly speaking illegal to transport a horse in a car.

Although by the sounds of it some adapted transits apparretly very safe in all other aspects lack only a ramp to make them fit the law ( welfare act I think) .......... and despite me rarely going to shows I have seen several

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Why not do 2x journeys? It's 5miles FGS hardly going to cost much in time/fuel.

Please answer the above question.

 

[Spudlet]

Yes - EU Council Regulation (EC) 1/2005, transposed into British law as The Welfare of Animals (Transport) (England) Order 2006, The Welfare of Animals (Transport) (Wales) Order 2007, and The Welfare of Animals (Transport) (Scotland) Amendment Regulations 2009.

Also, the Animal Welfare Act 2006 and the Animal Health and Welfare (Scotland) 2007 require you, as an owner and keeper of animals to take reasonable steps to protect them from harm. Given the many dangers that are quite obviously inherent in your plan, this plan could be considered to be a breach of Section 9 of these Acts.

 

[lilly1]

Well I'm not saying its right but I've saw many a calf, sheep and even pigs bundled into the back of land rovers and various vans in my time.

 

[charliehands]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHfyby_veU

 

[mymare]

What happened to the pic?

pfffft you've obviously never tried to catch a sheep then!!! they're as athletic as lynford christy when they want to be!!

And some have horns!

My favourite part - "he answers the phone, but he doesn't actually talk" No $h1t sherlock, it's a HORSE!!

Absolutely pmsl!!

 

[The Original Kao]

how about you nick erm borrow a trolley from tesco's and stick her in that?
or could she fit on a skateboard?
Probably safer to stick to walking it, I do about 5-7 miles a day with the dogs and i'm unfit and manage or just pay for someone with proper transport to do it

 

[galaxy]

Thanks Galaxy I was starting to think my post was invisible or perhaps the OP just ignores those that don't give the answer she requires.

of course it was invisable!

you weren't saying what she wanted to hear!

 

[JFTDWS]

Actually it's from the Welfare act and its the section most pertinent to this thread................Let me break it down to make a little simpler for you and the OP to understand

The vehicle and its loading and unloading facilities are designed,
constructed and maintained to avoid injury and suffering and to
ensure the safety of the animals.


*A car is not designed to carry a pony.
* A car has no 'loading' facilities, thus again rendering it unsuitable.

Thus a Car is unsuitable (as defined by the welfare act).


Anyway hope I have been had and this is a troll post and if it isn't I hope the OP is caught.

Let's not be condescending now. There is no need, and it does make you seem very childish.

My point is, amongst other things, a trailer is not designed for the transport of so small a horse. A car is not designed "for" the transport of dogs, nor sheep etc - it's been established (I think) that it is legal to put a sheep in the back of a pick up - not the primary designed purpose of a pick up. These 3.5 tonne horseboxes converted from vans were no designed to transport horses, but converted to do so - yet they are legal. As I stated before, this is a blanket statement which can be interpreted in a number of ways. I'm not saying there isn't a specific law prohibiting it, or even that it is a good idea, but I do not believe your choice of quotation adequately prohibits it.

 

[tazzle]

technically as far as I can see Sambo the transport regulations apply only to pople who

transport animals in connection with an economic activity

however under the legislation spudlet kindly posted should any accident occur or harm come to your falabella you could be deemed to have knowlngly placed her in a situation where harm could have been a forseen consequence ....... would not like to argue the case

 

[tallyho!]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teHfyby_veU

Oi! That's post-jacking

 

[3Beasties]

I honestly can't decide if the OP is serious or not

For those who have said that a small pony is no bigger then a big dog in the back of the car.............ponies kick, one kick is all it will take to cause extreme damage to pony/Glass and vehicle, I don't know why anyone would risk it, no matter how short the journey!

Walk, 5 miles isn't far and it doesn't cost anything! Pony sounds like she could benefit from some exercise anyway!

 

[piebaldsparkle]

Let's not be condescending now. There is no need, and it does make you seem very childish.

My point is, amongst other things, a trailer is not designed for the transport of so small a horse. A car is not designed "for" the transport of dogs, nor sheep etc - it's been established (I think) that it is legal to put a sheep in the back of a pick up - not the primary designed purpose of a pick up. These 3.5 tonne horseboxes converted from vans were no designed to transport horses, but converted to do so - yet they are legal. As I stated before, this is a blanket statement which can be interpreted in a number of ways. I'm not saying there isn't a specific law prohibiting it, or even that it is a good idea, but I do not believe your choice of quotation adequately prohibits it.[/QUOTE

There won't be a specific law as the welfare act covers it and they can make individual laws to every stupid idea.

Vans are converted to horses have then be technically redesigned to make them suitable.

I'm sorry I do find it hard not to be condescending when those who have been given the information either can't be bothered to read it or are too stupid to understand, yet still insist in trying to argue the point when they are clearly wrong.

Anyway the OP has transport for her other horses, so the obvious answer is to make a return trip as it is only 5 miles.

Anyway kids will have to leave you to it, play nicely and I'll pop back on after your bedtime.

 

[piebaldsparkle]

I honestly can't decide if the OP is serious or not

For those who have said that a small pony is no bigger then a big dog in the back of the car.............ponies kick, one kick is all it will take to cause extreme damage to pony/Glass and vehicle, I don't know why anyone would risk it, no matter how short the journey!

Walk, 5 miles isn't far and it doesn't cost anything! Pony sounds like she could benefit from some exercise anyway!

Bloody big dog!!

 

[lhotse]

Go for it. If they pull you over, say your an ... erm.... traveller. They might even escort you there

Craziest thing I've ever seen was two piebald cobs travelling on a flatbed truck!!! They were tied to the bar above the cab. No need to point out who was driving it!!!

 

[JFTDWS]

I'm sorry I do find it hard not to be condescending when those who have been given the information either can't be bothered to read it or are too stupid to understand, yet still insist in trying to argue the point when they are clearly wrong.

Anyway the OP has transport for her other horses, so the obvious answer is to make a return trip as it is only 5 miles.

I disagree with your "re-design" argument, as the vehicle hasn't been re-designed, merely some of the fittings. Or at least, it is a debatable point.

I actually agree that the sensible solution in this instance would be to do a return trip, however that does not adequately determine that to put it in the back of a suitable car would be illegal, which I believe was the OPs question.

I find you extremely arrogant to presume that your understanding of the DEFRA statement is the only correct interpretation. I think you are blinkered, and therefore somewhat lacking in intelligence yourself, to be unable to respond to a reasonable alternative interpretation other than by insulting the poster. I think that your reluctance to consider any opinion other than your own is childish and says a great deal about you. I have tried to debate this reasonably - you have not responded in a manner conducive to debate. As a result, I am responding to your personal comments with my own view of you. I would not have offered it had you been less rude yourself...

 

[natalia]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gPJo25sb80&feature=related

and worse-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzPYMDOuJ9k&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u040SMq1mJE

they load themselves!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNayEmPo1iA&feature=related

 

[cronkmooar]

I am thinking this is a joke? or a troll like post surely.

I did once pull up in the vet car park (with my dog!) and another car pulled up along side from which a very elderly lady produced quite a large goat! :-@

Now I haven't read to the end of the thread yet , just got to this post - so don't know how its gone but seen the above and thought I had to comment.

Reading the first few pages my initial reaction was ooopppps! Followed by is this really so bad

Now before everyone jumps up and down I would explain that a couple of weeks ago I found one of my loughtan sheep quite poorly (weight about 65kg and has damn big horns!) I picked him up and put him in the boot of my 4x4 and drove him immediately to the vets surgery about 4 miles away.

Vet fixed sheep and even helped me lift him back into the car - vet did not make any comment about how the sheep had been travelled .

Probably will finish the thread now and find this is a complete wind up

 

[3Beasties]

Bloody big dog!!

Yep.......and I bet it weighs a hell of a lot more then even the biggest dog!

 

[3Beasties]

Now I haven't read to the end of the thread yet , just got to this post - so don't know how its gone but seen the above and thought I had to comment.

Reading the first few pages my initial reaction was ooopppps! Followed by is this really so bad

Now before everyone jumps up and down I would explain that a couple of weeks ago I found one of my loughtan sheep quite poorly (weight about 65kg and has damn big horns!) I picked him up and put him in the boot of my 4x4 and drove him immediately to the vets surgery about 4 miles away.

Vet fixed sheep and even helped me lift him back into the car - vet did not make any comment about how the sheep had been travelled .

Probably will finish the thread now and find this is a complete wind up

But is a sheep really capable of kicking out and smashing a window?

 

[Spudlet]

That is a point - surely there are also regulations covering how much weight you can put in a car? I'm sure you can get pulled over if you overload a car as it affects the suspension and therefore the vehicle handling.

 

[MissMincePie&Brandy]

Not that I think transporting any equine in a car is a good idea (I can't see how any car would be big enough, too much glass, barrier between driver and pony not strong enough, etc, etc......But I thought this pic seemed quite apt

If I was in the op's situation I think I'd walk. Unless the pony is unsound or has a serious condition, I can't see how a slow amble would harm anyone. Is it perhaps too far for the op to walk?