travellers leave horse dead

Disgusting vile people. They should be banned from racing along public roads anyway but this is just sickening. They harp on about their traditional way of life and love for their animals - what a complete load of tosh. Leaving an animal to die in such an appalling way is inexcusable. :@
 
There is no love here.

Ban sulkys from roads, racing & training. They can pay to train on car curcits. If any other horse sport did this they would be vilified, by councils, police & government too scared of them.
 
One of the 18 months old ones they used to hammer along the road near our old place put its foot down between the bars of a drain cover,that's how young it was.....local paper covers the fire brigade trying to rescue it but not a comment in there about how come a horse is being driven along a Tarmac road at that age.

Another flipped onto its back on the road when it slipped as it was being beaten for daring to break into a canter. beaten again for falling. OH intervened and got a black eye for his trouble.

I know there are genuine gypsies who have fabulous horses and treat them like kings but criticism of the way the vast majority of traveller horses are treated and kept is not generalisation, as that poor treatment is the norm and not the exception to those of us who have lived near a number of different sites. It does no favours at all to anyone, least of all the horses suffering to suggest there is just an odd bad apple, it isn't. It is something that needs to be tackled permanently and preferably by gypsies and travellers from within, but if not then from outside.
 
Clodagh said:
That is awful. Where are all the 'Travellers are fab' posters who normally come on to defend them?
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Perhaps you mean the 'Not all Travelers are scum' posters?

I strongly condemn the behaviour (and attitudes which allow the behaviour) of all those responsible for this - disgusting! :frown3:
 
Do we actually expect any better from these lot? Can anyone actually imagine them ringing a vet stroking the horse til vet arrives, arranging a cremation or disposal and paying up to the car owner whose car they have written off? Of course not and anyone that thinks they would behave like that is seriously deluded.
 
The people concerned are total scum and low life and deserve no better themselves.
Whoever was responsible for this incident clearly has no compassion towards their animals and should be simply prosecuted, heavily fined or jailed and prevented from owning an animal for the rest of their life.
The police shoud have stopped the race, arrested all concerned and prosecuted them and then taken all their animals and cars away from them.
 
OrangePepper said:
The people concerned are total scum and low life and deserve no better themselves.
Whoever was responsible for this incident clearly has no compassion towards their animals and should be simply prosecuted, heavily fined or jailed and prevented from owning an animal for the rest of their life.
The police shoud have stopped the race, arrested all concerned and prosecuted them and then taken all their animals and cars away from them.
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I just dont understand why this does not happen. What happens to the police if they follow these things up, why are they scared to?
 
fburton said:
Perhaps you mean the 'Not all Travelers are scum' posters?I strongly condemn the behaviour (and attitudes which allow the behaviour) of all those responsible for this - disgusting! :frown3:
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the problem is the image they portray of themselves..they like to keep themselves separate from 'normal' (what is normal these days?!) society, treat others like absolute tosh, don't pay a penny into the country (again I know neither do a lot of other members of society) but yet are always flashing the cash, flounting the law, causing misery to others and doing things like this or drowning a horse at appleby.. Trying to be diplomatic here.. but it makes me so bloody angry!!!!!!!
 
Several things occur to me regarding this.

Firstly, what an horrific act. How on earth did they manage to let this poor young horse collide with the car? That in its self is just beyond my imagination.

Secondly, the video on the DM article - obviously not eye witness, and the action that police car was taking was ludicrous! IMO the police cars would have been better ahead and behind of them to clear the traffic rather than trying to side swipe the horses! At the beginning the one horse nearly lost its footing as it tried to avoid the police car, purely because the police car swerved into it!

Thirdly, while the people that do this must have some kind of lunacy running through their heads, I have to admire the horses bravery while so many cars and large lorries drive past them at high speed. How many of people's horses would tolerate that? We do have some sulky racers round near us, but whenever I see them they always have a van driving close behind them to protect them from cars coming from behind, and I've not seen them doing it on roads as busy as this.

Finally, how many of these horses suffer from leg injuries, splints and the like?

All this notwithstanding, utterly vile act for leaving a horse to die on the side of the road :(. Rip poor horse
 
If this was America - The police there would not be intimidated by these so called humans. They would go in there armed and sort them out. Our police are scared to even go into there camps.
 
1) they will drive their horse right up behind your car, I and my OH have had this done regularly on our dirt track when we have left our field, they really don't care and if you complain, their very words are, So what do you want to do about it, we have complained to the police but they don't either want to know or can't do anything about it. They use our track as exercise track to get their trotters fit before they road race them and some of these horses are completely out of their heads. :(
 
Its quite awful to think that these horses will go through their very short lives not ever knowing a kind word spoken or a stroke on the nose for trying their heart out.
 
And lets face it these people are starting to believe what they see about themselves on Channel 4, that they are better than us and above the law and as the law doesn't do anything about them yes they are. :(
 
I'm literally shaking with anger and frustration. Anger at the scum who did this and frustration that we can do nothing about the scum who did this and the can get away with it because of some effing loophole in the law and some ahole defense lawyer who couldn't give a s**t as long as they win the case. Society has gone down the drain and taken common sense and justice with it.
 
I'm afraid I can't bring myself to watch the video as I know if I do I won't sleep tonight.
There is nothing anybody can say to me that will change my mind as to the way I feel about travellers (who don't travel!) I despise them. Surrounded by legal and illegal sites these 'poor' people (yes, poor, according to a local councillor) break the law in every way possible. From animal cruelty on the most horrific scale, theft of property and pets to our local 'slave labour' camp.
I've been driven off the road by them, they've spat at my kids in the face and we also have the trotting races and a group of 10 yr olds out driving a 2 yo that was literally on its knees.
I'm now closely watching and concerned about a 3 acre field full of mares and foals that have no grazing, just really poor scrubland. They have only recently been moved there so look in ok condition but that's not going to last long.
Also safe in the knowledge that when the clocks change next month we will be due another break in:mad:
 
weebarney said:
Its quite awful to think that these horses will go through their very short lives not ever knowing a kind word spoken or a stroke on the nose for trying their heart out.
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When my young horse came over to me in the field this evening for a stroke and attention, I thought of that poor young coloured horse lying in the gutter dying. Poor ****** probably never knew one moment of kindness.
 
Personally don't care who they are, this is abuse of the worst kind. Friend at livery yard near very small wood found dead horse that had been reported as involved in accident, found dead of injuries, but miraculously had taken off harness and owner had sulky! Basically had been dumped to die and avoid prosecution.
Sulkys should be banned from roads, end of. Hate this 'sport', think very detrimental to horses health. Never see old racer.

Do know guy who does it, but only on dirt track, trains on his own farm. Thinks lot of his horse, would never risk him like this or endanger others.
 
Leviathan said:
If this was America - The police there would not be intimidated by these so called humans. They would go in there armed and sort them out. Our police are scared to even go into there camps.
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Don't bet on it. There are lots of places in the US where police - admittedly often underfunded and under supported - have pretty much checked out and walked away.

There are "people like that" everywhere in the world. They might look a little different or go by a different name but they are just bad people, usually a small group giving a larger group a bad name.
 
Leviathan said:
If this was America - The police there would not be intimidated by these so called humans. They would go in there armed and sort them out.
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I don't think guns would help here, do you?! :eek3:

Our police are scared to even go into there camps.
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Would the RSPCA be similarly scared to act? Why don't they get involved? This seems like a prima facie case for them.
 
fburton said:
I don't think guns would help here, do you?! :eek3:


Would the RSPCA be similarly scared to act? Why don't they get involved? This seems like a prima facie case for them.
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Yes they are just as scared, when we reported neglect at the local camp, the RSPCA wouldn't go in but tried to give us a load of animal welfare leaflets (!) and wanted us to go in and distribute them to the residents....things deteriorated in the welfare stakes still further and dead foals since dumped down the road from the travellers site. :-((((
 
I witnessed one of these "races" a few years ago. Middle of the afternoon down a busy lane, just completely ignorning any cars or traffic. I heard later that a dead horse was found on the side of the road. About the same time I was by my stable one afternoon, and hear the most dreadful sound and looked up to see a pony being driven along the road. It was sobbing, trying to draw breath, it must have been exhausted and was being beaten along the road. Of course they were gone long before I could do anything.

Luckily, there don't seem to be many incidents like that now, there is a local gypsy family that breeds ponies and they seem to look after them reasonably, and even when they are breaking them in, I haven't seen anything to compare with the above.

Of course, the Police generally won't go near these families as they are a law unto themselves and they always go round in a little gang, so the Police have to have 2 or 3 car loads before they think about tackling them, and they are not going to do that for ponies.
 
TarrSteps said:
There are "people like that" everywhere in the world. They might look a little different or go by a different name but they are just bad people, usually a small group giving a larger group a bad name.
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Agreed. I wouldn't be so quick to assume that all or even the majority of Travelers would be content to perpetrate such a despicable act, or to condone the behaviour of these thugs. For all I know there are members of the Traveler community who are just as disgusted and dismayed by what happened to the horse as we are. I simply don't know, and am not going to leap to conclusions based on prejudice. Of course, there is the wider issue around the poor welfare of horses used in road racing, and the culture that allows it to happen. But as a group they are not unique in having questionable ethics with regard to horse use, and incidents like these throw a spotlight on their dubious practices.
 
Gingersmum said:
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When my young horse came over to me in the field this evening for a stroke and attention, I thought of that poor young coloured horse lying in the gutter dying. Poor ****** probably never knew one moment of kindness.
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I too thought of that poor young horse as I was giving my horse a goodnight cuddle last night. Those photographs are haunting me. The scum who were responsible, may they rot in hell, are probably proud of having made the news.
 
honetpot said:
Any cruelty to animals is appalling carried out by any one, that includes people that live in houses. Fortunately most people who live conventional life styles and keep animals are not judged by the few that abuse their animals which has included some very well known and previously respected breeders and judges. There is an under currant of because they are 'X', fill in any different culture here, they must be all bad.
Let it make it clear I to not condone the mistreatment of any animal by any person but I am appalled by some of the blanket statements made about travelling families.
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fburton said:
Perhaps you mean the 'Not all Travelers are scum' posters?

I strongly condemn the behaviour (and attitudes which allow the behaviour) of all those responsible for this - disgusting! :frown3:
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Agree with both of these.

I don't believe anyone here ever says "travellers are fab" :rolleyes3: but some of us point out that making sweeping statements and blanket condemning anyone born to any race, creed or culture is not acceptable.

I've seen the photos of that poor horse on Facebook, and don't want to watch the video thanks. Terrible. poor, poor horse. :(
 
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