Clodagh
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You can shoot the pheasants but I believe even in the more rural areas shooting peasants is frowned upon.
Trespassing: why do people do it?!
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You can shoot the pheasants but I believe even in the more rural areas shooting peasants is frowned upon.
cremedemonthe
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case895
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That's what muck heaps and pigs are for. Dispose of the evidence!
Goldenstar
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Right to roam ! I am scared to go out of the house now.
fburton
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No, I'm not saying that. But I would accept if I had to pay some tax on its value - a fair tax and a useful tax for our country, I believe.
If my land isn't worth much, I wouldn't pay much tax; if it gains in value, I pay more tax - Simples!
Why it is useful (and fair) is laid out in some detail in the report of Mirrlees Review of the UK tax system published in 2011 by the Institute for Fiscal Studies:
http://www.ifs.org.uk/mirrleesreview/design/ch16.pdf
from
http://www.ifs.org.uk/mirrleesReview
Even some Tories think it is desirable:
http://toryreformgroup.tumblr.com/p...-progressive-conservatives-should-support-a-l
(If you only read one of the links, read this one - it's an excellent summary.)
No I wasn't.
Anarchist blethers.
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
Yes, it's already in system and it's called inheritance tax and could well be the reason we have to move from here which has been farmed and owned by hubby's family since 1900.
Not only that but if we have to sell, on top of IHT, even though it's our residence and we will need that money to buy somewhere else, we'll have to pay 40% extra tax too. Is that fair enough for you?
Goldenstar
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Yes, it's already in system and it's called inheritance tax and could well be the reason we have to move from here which has been farmed and owned by hubby's family since 1900.
Don't you only pay IH on the residence not the land ?
jrp204
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There is no inheritance tax on agricultural land or the farmhouse http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/inheritancetax/pass-money-property/agricultural-relief.htm
Without this I doubt that many farms would be able to keep going if they had to pay 40% of the land value. Remember, this is land that feeds people, not for pleasure.
Without this I doubt that many farms would be able to keep going if they had to pay 40% of the land value. Remember, this is land that feeds people, not for pleasure.
Maesfen
Extremely Old Nag!
That's not what the solicitor and valuer seem to think and have told us but I think the problem is, while it's agricultural land, there's not a lot of it (35 acres altogether but in 3 separate lots) it's not now a working farm as such unless you count 6 cattle and a pig!. The house itself, if it was sold would just be knocked down and started again; it's a plain straight through 3 up 3 down on sand floors so nothing to shout about; it just happens to be in a stunning location which is part of the problem.
MagicMelon
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Unless you live in Scotland OP! We have rights to roam laws up here so technically riders,walkers etc. can go anywhere we want. Although I would always tend to ask farmers first, its only nice to do so. And even then I wouldnt open gates, even though legally I can. Im dreading asking permission from a local landowner who owns the nearby windfarm atour new place because theres a sign saying "horse riders are to get specific permission" to ride up the tracks, he's notorious for being difficult to I think he might ask for money! He'll be told where to go as legally I can go there for free, but Im not looking forward to the arguement...!
Goldenstar
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No that's not a farm that's like ours ,
But I have to say I don't see why just because a house has some land round it you should be not pay IH just like any other family where adult children are living at home with elderly parents .
A working farm is different I understand why working land has no IH tax payable on it but think it would be fair for IH to paid on the house.
Mind that's not saying IH tax is fair in the first place.
EmmasMummy
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I would maybe wonder if its so he can get you to sign a disclaimer saying that if your horses gets spooked by the windmills he cannot be responsible etc.
MagicMelon
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Access laws IMO do not have an impact on land values. We generally have cheaper land values purely because we have far more land than you do down south! You have a much higher population so a lot of England is built on hence less land. Grazing land here is generally £4/£5k an acre. The right to roam act works very well up here IMO. Riders still usually ask permission from farmers first, mainly just to not fall out with your neighbours. We've all been brought up knowing the code. In England, there's far more proper walkways set up along field verges etc. I've noticed - we dont have many of those up here, I guess because we can already go wherever. So what Im saying is, we'd be seriously limited hacking-wise if we DIDN'T have this act.
MagicMelon
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Yeah possibly. Im hoping its just that. But honestly, this guy is such a pain. He's been argueing with us and the council already as our well is on his land, he keeps saying it isn't (because the council want it fenced) but it clearly shows it is on our title deeds... he said if it is, then he'll be charging us for water which he can't!
MagicMelon
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Yeah possibly. Im hoping its just that. But honestly, this guy is such a pain. He's been argueing with us and the council already as our well is on his land, he keeps saying it isn't (because the council want it fenced) but it clearly shows it is on our title deeds... he said if it is, then he'll be charging us for water which he can't!
Im worried as soon as I ask for permission, he might say yes purely because he has to but then goes and build a gate thing that I cant get through on a horse... yes, I would not put it past him!
lachlanandmarcus
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I would check out whether there are any special criteria re windfarms that allow a landowner to demand permission. I'm not sure there are, worth checking with BHS and council. If not then I would NOT be asking permission from him to do what you are legally entitled to do. What's the horse going to do, poo on the turbine tower?? :-DD
Signs like that or anything trying to impose illegal restriction on riders round our area would be removed by some of our more 'assertive' riders (read scary ladies).?..
))RunToEarth
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Sorry, disagree - there is not a huge amount of land in Scotland on the market currently or historically, compared to England, and a lot of land on the market in Scotland is forestry, which is a whole different ball game due to its potential. Granted Scotland have a lot of rather large estates, but the lack of property on the market would usually prevoke an increase on values. There are other factors affecting land prices up there, not least the location and credentials, however open access does have a bearing on land prices.
firm
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Arable land in Scotland is not half the price of arable land in England. I live in an area of good arable land and there is a lot of demand for it. If you don't believe me check Savilles stats arable land in England 7.6k/acre, arable land Scotland 7.4k/acre.
Walking and tourism are big things in Scotland so maybe that is why it works better up here. Landowners realise that walkers can bring in revenue on less productive areas of land. I used to live on an estate that raised pheasants and had tourists. They were quite happy for us to walk through the pheasant areas out of shooting season, with our dogs on the lead. They had a much bigger problem with the amount who died on the roads with drivers ploughing through them regardless.
Walking and tourism are big things in Scotland so maybe that is why it works better up here. Landowners realise that walkers can bring in revenue on less productive areas of land. I used to live on an estate that raised pheasants and had tourists. They were quite happy for us to walk through the pheasant areas out of shooting season, with our dogs on the lead. They had a much bigger problem with the amount who died on the roads with drivers ploughing through them regardless.
Lolo
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I would imagine this, they are noisy and quite spooky. He's probably just trying to cover his back- he'll probably gets enough flack for having a wind farm without someone's horse spooking and the person being injured on his land!
RunToEarth
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Whilst Savills may have marketed land in Scotland for that, on average good grade arable land is achieving almost half premiums in England are, having just spent the last few weeks on mostly analysis of UK land values I'm happy I don't need to check Savills benchmarking.
firm
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Round here I have heard it go for £10k/acre hence my surprise at what you wrote & I googled to double check:
Demand for all types of farms in Scotland, especially for high-quality larger arable farms of over 500 acres, continues to outstrip supply, and this will slowly but surely push prices up, added Coleman
We have seen some exceptional prices being paid for farmland in East Lothian, Fife and Angus, of up to £10,000 per acre, which is very encouraging.
So I don't think you can automatically come to the conclusion that the right to roam is restricting land prices.
Demand for all types of farms in Scotland, especially for high-quality larger arable farms of over 500 acres, continues to outstrip supply, and this will slowly but surely push prices up, added Coleman
We have seen some exceptional prices being paid for farmland in East Lothian, Fife and Angus, of up to £10,000 per acre, which is very encouraging.
So I don't think you can automatically come to the conclusion that the right to roam is restricting land prices.
lachlanandmarcus
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True but I'm sure he can wipe away the tears with the fifty pound notes that we are all paying him in our inflated fuel bills for it
)AengusOg
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There is no such thing as a 'right to roam' in Scotland. There is a 'right of responsible access'.