tricky question...horse waiting to be sold by a dealer

Sorry, I very rarely feel the need to comment on these sorts of things, but if he is as dangerous as you say (nearly killing your daughter and damaging your hand) then I somewhat doubt he has been using him in the riding school?

I think its actually very far fetched of you to imagine you can now turn up on their doorstep over a year after leaving a horse there, amd expect to be handed £1000....keeping a horse for a year will have cost them at least that, if he is still there which is pretty unlikely. Not many dealers will keep them for free for a cut of the sale price and those that do will shift them asap....they are there to make money after all!

Just a question, if you wanted rid that quickly why send him so far away rather than just through local sales or a more local dealer?
 
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No not irresponsible at all ...my responsibility is to the safety of my daughter.

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So did you daughter need to go near the horse again after this incident? You could have kept her away from the horse until you found somewhere safe for him to go.

I was more refering to the fact you lost his details and the contract to being irresponsible. How would this have related to your daughter's safety?
 
How exactly did he try to kill your daughter and hurt your hand? Doesn't sound like a 3.5k horse to me!

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No not irresponsible at all ...my responsibility is to the safety of my daughter.

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So did your daughter benefit from you not keeping the paper work safe????

This has got to be a joke.......
 
If you know the name of the riding school and know where it is then can't you just go and pick the horse back up?
Has the dealer said he won't give you the horse back or claimed ownership of the horse in anyway?
 
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I did have awritten contact ..but can't bloody find it..


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You can't find the contract... you lost the address and phone number... you let him take the horse, having never seen where he was taking it too - to be honest this is the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard. I could tell anyone I was a dealer, I was going to keep their horse for free, and they would get at least £1000 some day... Then disappear into the night with a horse worth £3k never to be heard of again.

I think your chances of getting the money are pretty slim, and if he does pay up, then he needs a pat on the back.

If you are that worried about your money, drive over and see him. If you can't be bothered, or "it's too far away" then you can't be that concerned about your horse or your money.

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No not irresponsible at all ...my responsibility is to the safety of my daughter.

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Then why did you ever buy a horse in the first place I'm not saying that your daughter's safety isn't important but in taking on any animal you must take on the responsibility of them too
 
when my horse was picked up I was not in the best of states...

we both signed the contract at the stables and by husband took the contract from me saying that it was important that the contract was put in a safe place and took it from me.

He subsequently can't remember what he did with it.
 
If the dealer doesn't answer his phone, drive to his address and enquire. If you can't be bothered to do this, or it is too far away then you can't be that worried about the horse or the money. End of. No one here can help you. Legally you will be very lucky to stand much of a chance getting the money unless you can find your contract.
 


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Then why did you ever buy a horse in the first place I'm not saying that your daughter's safety isn't important but in taking on any animal you must take on the responsibility of them too

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He was missold to me I thought I was buying from a private person who turned out to be quite a diseetful dealer with a bad rep.

I explained I needed a horse suitable for both mother and daughter share..I tried him out a couple of times and he was really nice she told me he would be perfect for us both...when I took him home the yard girls mentioneds he looked a bit on the thin side and he could do with a bit more weight on...so i fed him up ..had sure that the food I gave him would not fizz him up and did so slowly... when a realched a certain point he turned into a fruit loop too much for me to handle or ride then he started exhibiting rig like behaviour and we had a couple of serious incidents because of this....I realise we have a responsibility to these animals...but those who sell horses also bear the responsibilty of finding the right homes. I should never have been sold that horse..basically i had been had hook line and sinker by a dealer..I am not the first and I won't be the last.
 
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He was missold to me I thought I was buying from a private person who turned out to be quite a diseetful dealer with a bad rep.

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I don't believe this whole story I'm afraid. You're either scamming or trolling. But it's a good way of setting up a lively post I suppose......
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....I realise we have a responsibility to these animals...but those who sell horses also bear the responsibilty of finding the right homes.

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I'm saying nothing more after this post....but I think you just answered your own question there!!

I honestly think either leave well alone and hope that the horse is either happy there or sold to a nice home....or go to the dealer's address and ask the question, but be prepared for him to ask you for money rather than the other way around if the horse is still there! Sadly he could claim anything was in the conract as you don't still have a copy, and I'd imagine that when its your word against his with the fact the horse is still registered and passported in your name and he can probably prove the costs he has accrued over the last year.....well, maybe best to just walk away....
 
Personally I think if the dealer still has your horse you'll be lucky and if he has he probably won't give you any money if it sells as he has paid to keep it fed etc all this time.

I would get in touch with the dealer and get your horse back or write it off as a lesson hard learned. I think you have been very niave in your dealings and understanding of how to sell a horse and I think that your dealer may well have taken advantage of that fact.
 
If this is for real, your best hope is that the dealer sold your horse fairly quickly and has just been sitting on the interest. If he still has the horse you could find yourself with a big livery bill, especially if you can't find the contract.

My advice:
1. Turn your house upside down to find the contract
2. Phone this guy and ask him what happened
3. If he still has the horse you need to sort out whether the agreement you had means that you would pay livery if he doesn't sell, if so cutting your losses and leaving him with the horse may be the best bet.
4. If he has sold it then ask for your share of the money, if he won't hand it over threaten small claims court proceedings and trading standards.
5. If you have the slightest concerns about the way this guy has dealt with things report him to trading standards, the BHS/ABRS and the local council, as a riding school he has to be registered with the council.
 
I think you should forget it. After all this time the dealer owes you nothing. (I looked at your old threads and couldn't see where you asked about finding the dealer incidentally, so don't know if they are known and reputable).
If you don't realise, I think you are getting a strong reaction on this thread because basically you waved your horse goodbye 15 months ago and haven't even been to check where it was, or if it was being looked after properly since.
 
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Then why didnt you return him to who you bought him off? the dealer.

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She wouldn't accept him back...

and I do take exception to sallysmith comments that I am scamming here..I'm the most honest person I know ..maybe too honest and too trusting which is why I have ended up in this position.

I honestly expected that the dealer would keep his word and I have trusted him to sell this horse for me and trusted the fact that he would contact me at the point of sale..and trusted that he has been trying to sell him.....

I will arrange to go the the stables to see him.....

I am shocked that most of you think my situation is wrong....I odn't know how long it takes to sell a horse.....

as I said he would need a very specific and capable rider so I did expect it to take time to find the right one.

yes I can see now that maybe too trusting...inexperienced in this area and a maybe a little guilable has led me to this situation...but haven't we all ben taken in by someone at some point in or lives...i've been messed around by horse dealers but do I deserve or does anyone deserve to be conned out of £3500
 
I don't think your problem is being too trusting, I think your problem is that you completely abused your position as the owner of the horse.

He might have been missold to you, but that was not his fault, and its a crying shame that you found it acceptable to just pack him off god knows where to any old fate, knowing he is a horse with problems.

I can understand you have a responsibility to your daughter, but you also have a responsibility to this horse and there is no excuse for just washing your hands of him without the slightest care as to what would happen to him.

Either way, I would call this an expensive lesson that you've learnt and move on from it. If it means that much to you then go and see the dealer and ask yourself, but if you can't be bothered to do that then you obviously don't care that much.
 
15 months without checking on his welfare, that's the problem. However, I hope you manage to get some sort of resolution to this, so good luck.
 
I don't believe this either I'm afraid. I have had a glance over your previous posts and something does not add up. There are no posts November 2008 enquiring about a dealer. There is a post from November 2008 entitled Horse for Loan/ Sharer wanted which reads

"Hi all

I am looking for a rider for my horse. I need to sell him but as the time is not right I need to explore every option.
I am happy to consider a loan agreement or sharer or sale."

There are no posts asking for advice about a dangerous horse. I agree with the comments above and with the reasons given for the strong reaction you have received.
 
I think the point of most posters is that they would primarily be concerned about the horse's welfare whereas your priority right now is clawing some money back. I also accept that you had a traumatic incident with the horse, which has made you think 'get rid at all costs'. However you can't have it both ways - you either want shot at all costs or you want the money from the sale. 15 months is a long time to be waiting if you need the money that much. IMHO, if you're going to buy a horse, you need to be prepared to see it through - I don't think naivety is an excuse here. If you're prepared to buy and ride a horse, you should be prepared for all eventualities.

TBH horse buying at the best of times is a bit of a lottery - dealer or private buyer alike. I think you're in for a hard lesson here - I'd be amazed if this has a happy ending for you or for the horse
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....I realise we have a responsibility to these animals...but those who sell horses also bear the responsibilty of finding the right homes.

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I'm saying nothing more after this post....but I think you just answered your own question there!!

I honestly think either leave well alone and hope that the horse is either happy there or sold to a nice home....or go to the dealer's address and ask the question, but be prepared for him to ask you for money rather than the other way around if the horse is still there! Sadly he could claim anything was in the conract as you don't still have a copy, and I'd imagine that when its your word against his with the fact the horse is still registered and passported in your name and he can probably prove the costs he has accrued over the last year.....well, maybe best to just walk away....

[/ QUOTE ] Have been reading this post all the way through and agree with this comment (just realised its you Em!) I am soooo shocked by it,if i was you i would be searching the house high and low for this 'contract' as its the only thing that may get you out of this mess,surely by now if anything you would owe him money! I very much doubt he still has your horse,i bet he probably sold him for a small amount of money for a quick sale as you hadn't bothered to keep in touch and enquire as to how it was going.
 
Bottom line is this. If the horse is worth £3,500, that is only 10 months at full livery, at an extremely cheap full livery. So I don't see any financial benefit in this for you.
 
Its a bit fishy all of this.
I just don't get it, how could anyone 'ship' a horse off somewhere unknown, knowing that its a fruit loop and COULD harm another person who ALSO might get conned? Thats not fair on the horse, other people and sadly its probably gonna bite you back. I don't think your going to see the horse, or any money but I wish you luck, sometimes there are exceptions. Slap on the wrist for not doing anything sooner - June '09 would have been a good start in chasing money/horse.
 
I honestly don't see the need to keep debating this - you haven't even spoken to him! For all you know he could be sitting in his office with some money in a desk drawer for you. It's him you need to be talking to, not us. You have his number, his address etc - go and speak to him. You can go round and round in circles trying to work out the outcome - just speak to the person for crying out loud (phone or personal visit!). His website is still active with all his details so he can't have moved!
 
im sorry but i found your old post and what Woeisme
has posted too how is it you havnt asked for anyone on here and from last post there is alot of people that live there and know the person or someone to live near to pop round to make sure ,i sure alot of people would offer there help . to make sure aleast this horse was ok ,
im sorry but there is no excuse and i do think you can kiss goodbye to your money and your horse and what gets me is that you are selling on to someother person that could be novice just like you to buy this horse and for it to happen all over again if he is a as dangerous as made out to be
 
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