Tumeric

[Jacksterrrr]

Would tumeric be suitable for my 7 year old? He’s thoroughbred x Welsh 15.3ish Just as a general balancer, will it make him super crazy or just a little bonkers thank you?

 

[Elno]

And what would you want to balance, exactly?

NO. It would not be suitable to give turmeric, not as a balancer, not for joints, not for anything really. It simply does not work. What is it with people and stuffing their horses with shit they literally DON'T NEED!?

 

[Auslander]

It'll make him absolutely delicious if you marinade him long enough.

 

[Elno]

It'll make him absolutely delicious if you marinade him long enough.

Maybe with a bit of coriander, cayenne and fenugreek added to it?

 

[windand rain]

Not as a balancer but works brilliantly as an anti inflamatory I have an old mare that is as sound as a pound as long as she has her turmeric. Works for all mine but doesn't for some. I know it works because if it is forgotten for any reason she is lame the next day as soon as you feed it she is sound

 

[Elno]

https://www.doctorramey.com/lets-look-turmeric/

I especially liked the part of it basically not even being absorbed. But if you like feeding your horses curry ingredients, by all means, be my guest ?

 

[windand rain]

As said seen the evidence with my own eyes so quite happy to continue feeding her what keeps her sound if you dont it is your loss as you may be depriving a horse with niggles the freedom from pain She has no drugs what so ever so it must be the turmeric. You can find anything on the internet to prove or disprove anything if you look hard enough. the evidence is in front of me daily
She is 25 and still in full work including loving a good gallop over the fields her choice as she doesnt like slow

 

[Jacksterrrr]

And what would you want to balance, exactly?

NO. It would not be suitable to give turmeric, not as a balancer, not for joints, not for anything really. It simply does not work. What is it with people and stuffing their horses with shit they literally DON'T NEED!?

I was only asking? Don’t think you need to be so rude about it ??‍

 

[Elno]

As said seen the evidence with my own eyes so quite happy to continue feeding her what keeps her sound if you dont it is your loss as you may be depriving a horse with niggles the freedom from pain She has no drugs what so ever so it must be the turmeric. You can find anything on the internet to prove or disprove anything if you look hard enough. the evidence is in front of me daily
She is 25 and still in full work including loving a good gallop over the fields her choice as she doesnt like slow

That's called placebo.

Actually no, if you know how to actually read and interpret scientific papers, proper study design and data, it's quite easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

 

[canteron]

And what would you want to balance, exactly?

NO. It would not be suitable to give turmeric, not as a balancer, not for joints, not for anything really. It simply does not work. What is it with people and stuffing their horses with shit they literally DON'T NEED!?

I have just been listening to a top stomach cancer surgeon who believes it might benefit - but how lovely you know more, would you like his details so you could explain to him why he is so wrong?

Not as a balancer but works brilliantly as an anti inflamatory I have an old mare that is as sound as a pound as long as she has her turmeric. Works for all mine but doesn't for some. I know it works because if it is forgotten for any reason she is lame the next day as soon as you feed it she is sound

I fed it to an old mare and she is definitely better - it may be for many reasons but i am not taking the risk of stopping.

 

[Equi]

Turmeric does not work as a balancer.

 

[tallyho!]

I'm not going to ridicule you Jacksterr... maybe not as a balancer but herbs and spices are what horses seek naturally and roots similar to turmeric and fenugreek especially the ponies in the Himalayas are fed to the nomadic horses for health and indeed I have a friend who lived in Thailand and their horses get roots to eat like we give carrots.

Curries are really good healthy foods and there are benefits well known to everyone.

Don't be put off by negative comments. Just do your research, get lots of opinions and facts and make your own mind up.

Love a lot, trust a few but always paddle your own canoe!

 

[Elno]

I have just been listening to a top stomach cancer surgeon who believes it might benefit - but how lovely you know more, would you like his details so you could explain to him why he is so wrong?

A top stomach cancer surgeon, really? That would be lovely actually since I happen to be in a similar field of work (different specialty, very cancer oriented), and would love to talk to a collegue in a medical profession who so easily throws such statements around ?

 

[canteron]

[member: 148801"]A top stomach cancer surgeon, really? That would be lovely actually since I happen to be in a similar field of work (different specialty, very cancer oriented), and would love to talk to a collegue in a medical profession who so easily throws such statements around ?[/QUOTE]
Some medics have more open minds than others .... this particular info was from a science programme on radio 4 - you were unnecessarily blunt and unkind to OP so thought I would point out it is still definitely up for scientific debate. (I too have scientific connections).

 

[poiuytrewq]

Blimey! Bit of a harsh reply there!

No there’s not much point as above In using it as a balancer, it’s known for anti inflammatory properties. If it works or not I have no idea. Some people swear by it and if it helps great.
If you want a balancer Progressive Earth do a nice one which can be found on eBay.
Again a bit controversial but I am using Spillers lean and lite this winter, almost against my better judgement... but, both horses have looked fab all winter. Really shiny. The one I’ve had for ages usually gets a bit greasy and scurfy looking in winter but not at all this year so I couldn’t not recommend it. (But it does contain junk)

 

[fankino04]

As said seen the evidence with my own eyes so quite happy to continue feeding her what keeps her sound if you dont it is your loss as you may be depriving a horse with niggles the freedom from pain She has no drugs what so ever so it must be the turmeric. You can find anything on the internet to prove or disprove anything if you look hard enough. the evidence is in front of me daily
She is 25 and still in full work including loving a good gallop over the fields her choice as she doesnt like slow

I agree, I know lots of people don't rate thermal imaging scans and I'm not sure I'm convinced by them as a single snapshot but the below picture shows my dog before she went on turmeric (she has quite regular scans so I know this was her "normal" at the time) on the right and 4 months later on the left and there's a very telling difference. (Ignore the red patch on her side she had been clipped for a liver ultrasound)

 

[Elno]

Thanks so much for accusing me on lying - it was on radio 4 - maybe you prefer the Mirror?

I wasn't accusing you of anything, you offered to give me information about said person, I happily accepted. I happen to be a medical doctor in a cancer heavy field of work. I live in Sweden so unfortunatly I don't have access to all of your media, no reason to mock me about it.

The fact is that there isn't enough scientific proof about turmeric being a anti cancerous agent. First of all- cancer is not a homogen disease, therefor - a cure for cancer as such simply cannot exist. Second of all- just because some small studie "may" show a promising effect on slowing cancer growth doesn't mean it's applicable in vivo. Third- even if we would entertain the fact that curcumin (the active agent in turmeric) may have an effect, it would probably be purified and/or amplified/synthecized and taken through rigorous tests before it would even be concidered to be approved for potential treatment of any sorts. What that means? It means that you can chew on willow bark all you want, but it would be easier to just take an Aspirin, really.

But you know what? It's your horses, your body and your money. What you decide to do with them is not any of my business at the end of the day ?

 

[Shilasdair]

Oh my God.
This thread is frightening in people's lack of knowledge in scientific methods.

Science generally works by having a group of subjects who you do X to, and a matched group of subjects who act as a control group. A comparison between the two groups' results should identify whether something has an effect or not.

Science is not 'Well I know it works because I ran widdershins round a church and now my horse is sound'.

 

[tallyho!]

Oh my God.
This thread is frightening in people's lack of knowledge in scientific methods.

Science generally works by having a group of subjects who you do X to, and a matched group of subjects who act as a control group. A comparison between the two groups' results should identify whether something has an effect or not.

Science is not 'Well I know it works because I ran widdershins round a church and now my horse is sound'.

Hmmmmmm. Unfortunately... good science is very well known to need a generous helping of “plausibility”... hence why a lot of modelling and stats ensue to try and get a slightly almost exact answer. You need a few bell curves, a sprinkling of Roman numerals criss-crossing to perhaps finally summarise that x needs more research.

the thing is equine research doesn’t have enough “big data” to come to any significant conclusions on a number of things. Anecdotes are dismissed readily. It’s such a shame the pharma industry don’t invest in more. They ought to... it’s a big market but too many variables and they are worried about the p=value.

 

[oldie48]

Would tumeric be suitable for my 7 year old? He’s thoroughbred x Welsh 15.3ish Just as a general balancer, will it make him super crazy or just a little bonkers thank you?

I feed turmeric, not as a balancer but because I think it might be helpful to my horse and it makes me feel better. It's supposed to be anti inflammatory, lots of people take it for that reason and say it helps them with arthritis and general stiffness etc. I have absolutely no evidence that it works either for people or horses but if it does then that's really great. I've heard it's helpful with sarcoids, my mare has had a couple of them, one was dealt the by the vet the other has gone. I don't know if the turmeric helped but I doubt it did any harm. Turmeric is a pretty fashionable supplement ATM, the good news is that it's relatively cheap and does not harm. If you want to give it to your horse, then go ahead and ignore the rude people on here (I do). And no, I don't think it would make your horse super crazy or bonkers!

 

[Elno]

Hmmmmmm. Unfortunately... good science is very well known to need a generous helping of “plausibility”... hence why a lot of modelling and stats ensue to try and get a slightly almost exact answer. You need a few bell curves, a sprinkling of Roman numerals criss-crossing to perhaps finally summarise that x needs more research.

the thing is equine research doesn’t have enough “big data” to come to any significant conclusions on a number of things. Anecdotes are dismissed readily. It’s such a shame the pharma industry don’t invest in more. They ought to... it’s a big market but too many variables and they are worried about the p=value.

If course they are worried. There is not as much money funding equine research as it is it's human counter part.There is though a lot of money in equine supplements, and companies selling those probably would rather not fund studies that in the end would show 95% of their supplements at best ineffective, but they are all the same very happy to ride piggy back on human research when it happen to study something that remotely can be applicable to the equine world- turmeric, as an example.

I bet a lot of people here are having absolutely no idea of what a p value actually is, and how it is used.

 

[windand rain]

Bit confused how it can be a placebo effect the horse doesn't know it's supposed to go lame after its missed its turmeric I certainly know the difference between a sound horse and a lame one. I also know that she's not putting it on. As I said I see it with my own eyes and there are vets who also support its use. As for cancer the BBC did some simple research that gave the indication that turmeric could prevent the progression of some cancers

 

[tallyho!]

If course they are worried. There is not as much money funding equine research as it is it's human counter part.There is though a lot of money in equine supplements, and companies selling those probably would rather not fund studies that in the end would show 95% of their supplements at best ineffective, but they are all the same very happy to ride piggy back on human research when it happen to study something that remotely can be applicable to the equine world- turmeric, as an example.

I bet a lot of people here are having absolutely no idea of what a p value actually is, and how it is used.

Well unless you test it, how will anyone know? It depends what which question you apply, doesn’t it?

 

[tallyho!]

Bit confused how it can be a placebo effect the horse doesn't know it's supposed to go lame after its missed its turmeric I certainly know the difference between a sound horse and a lame one. I also know that she's not putting it on. As I said I see it with my own eyes and there are vets who also support its use. As for cancer the BBC did some simple research that gave the indication that turmeric could prevent the progression of some cancers

Don’t worry about the placebo effect on animals... people use that word a lot and really it only applies to massive randomised studies. What you’re talking about is anecdotal evidence and it should be granted its merits. If it’s making a difference to you and your horse then it’s a positive result. Remember... that despite the trillions invested in human trials, very few treatments come to market. That’s not to say they were not helpful to some folk... they were just not helpful to enough folk to show the world a difference.

 

[scats]

And what would you want to balance, exactly?

NO. It would not be suitable to give turmeric, not as a balancer, not for joints, not for anything really. It simply does not work. What is it with people and stuffing their horses with shit they literally DON'T NEED!?

Good grief, that was a bit harsh.

OP- if you want a balancer, there are a lot on the market that you could try. If you type balancer into the search function on this forum, you’ll find a lot of helpful threads.

 

[Elno]

Good grief, that was a bit harsh.

OP- if you want a balancer, there are a lot on the market that you could try. If you type balancer into the search function on this forum, you’ll find a lot of helpful threads.

Hm, yeah that came of a bit rude and harsh now that I've slept on it. Sorry ??

I still stand by my point though. Turmeric won't balance anything (except your bank account) and is unneccesary to give to a 7 year old healthy horse (even if it would have the properties people claiming it to have).

OP, here's a link to really good balancers:

https://forageplus.co.uk/

 

[littleshetland]

That's called placebo.

Actually no, if you know how to actually read and interpret scientific papers, proper study design and data, it's quite easy to separate the wheat from the chaff.

I always believed that 'placebo' was the effect of mind over matter (for want of a better description) as in, if I took a pill and thought it was going to cure me, and it did, even though the pill was in fact an ineffectual fake, then I was subject to the placebo effect. Am I right, or have I misunderstood this? Could someone explain to me how the 'placebo effect' works on animals...

 

[tallyho!]

I always believed that 'placebo' was the effect of mind over matter (for want of a better description) as in, if I took a pill and thought it was going to cure me, and it did, even though the pill was in fact an ineffectual fake, then I was subject to the placebo effect. Am I right, or have I misunderstood this? Could someone explain to me how the 'placebo effect' works on animals...

Yes it’s right. Animals have no such cognition.

 

[Pippity]

Yes it’s right. Animals have no such cognition.

However, our perception of animals' behaviour is subject to the placebo effect.

 

[Elno]

I always believed that 'placebo' was the effect of mind over matter (for want of a better description) as in, if I took a pill and thought it was going to cure me, and it did, even though the pill was in fact an ineffectual fake, then I was subject to the placebo effect. Am I right, or have I misunderstood this? Could someone explain to me how the 'placebo effect' works on animals...

I was not talking about the placebo effect on the actual animal, but on the owner who believes the supplement actually does something. Jeez...