UKIP - are the party for repeal

[nikCscott]

I would hope that after their p poor economic performance that Labour would be unelectable for generations to come. I'm undecided on the others. Lets hope we actually have proper policy debates and manefestos unlike last time.

I agree completely with the above - and lets not forget it was Labour who banned hunting to begin with.

UKIP- although I support the points system for immigration, their attitude in other areas i find un-exceptable- so they'll have to sort that before I could ever vote for them. Yes we want hunting but not at the expense of progress in other areas.

 

[Maesfen]

I seem to remember years ago when anyone who voted Liberal was judged to have given a vote to another party and look where they've ended up.

 

[Isbister]

I seem to remember years ago when anyone who voted Liberal was judged to have given a vote to another party and look where they've ended up.

Despised.

 

[Herne]

I seem to remember years ago when anyone who voted Liberal was judged to have given a vote to another party and look where they've ended up.

The only people the fact that the Libs are in coalition has benefited are the Liberal politicians themselves - some of whom are getting an unexpected taste of power, for which they are happily selling most of their "liberal" principles down the line.

It certainly hasn't benefited those people who voted Liberal, because they have still got a mostly Conservative Government with a mostly Conservative set of policies - just as predicted...

 

[ribbons]

Do you know, this idea that UKIP haven't got a cat in hell's chance of a majority vote is beginning to look a bit thin.
They seem to be gaining popularity in leaps and bounds.
Never underestimate the british public. There are thousands and thousands who haven't voted at all for years. Suddenly they are energised again. UKIP has done that.
2015 could be very interesting.

 

[LaMooch]

Do you know, this idea that UKIP haven't got a cat in hell's chance of a majority vote is beginning to look a bit thin.
They seem to be gaining popularity in leaps and bounds.
Never underestimate the british public. There are thousands and thousands who haven't voted at all for years. Suddenly they are energised again. UKIP has done that.
2015 could be very interesting.

Fully agree with this

 

[NinjaPony]

I cannot stand UKIP. The people in that party have proven themselves over and over to be frankly racist or bigoted. Farage can keep kicking them out but the fact they keep popping up is very concerning to me. Farage paints himself as a "new politician" but he is using the same old tricks as all the rest- take their new campaign posters for example. "26 million people in the EU, and whose jobs are they after?"- sensationalist, xenophobic propaganda. He is a member of the EU Parliament, receives a lovely fat paycheck and doesn't turn up to any sessions whatsoever, thus neglecting his duty, plus he's been accused of fiddling his expenses. That's not who I want running the country. I actually heard the deputy speak at a conference- I study politics- and was somewhat horrified to find out that he was kicked out of Parliament as a Tory MP for accepting bribes. That's not who I want running the country. As far as I'm concerned they are a one trick party, full of big blustering ideas about the EU, who want to turn back the clock to a more racist Britain. No thank you.
Concerning the Hunting Act, which I have no strong views on whatsoever as someone who doesn't hunt, I don't think any party will want to tackle the issue. There is not enough strong public support to make it a pressing concern...

 

[Judgemental]

Never underestimate the british public. There are thousands and thousands who haven't voted at all for years. Suddenly they are energised again. UKIP has done that.
2015 could be very interesting.

Ribbons you have hit the nail on the head with massive accuracy. I believe Winston Churchhill said something similar when he lost the General Election immediately after the end of WWII.

 

[Alec Swan]

Do you know, this idea that UKIP haven't got a cat in hell's chance of a majority vote is beginning to look a bit thin.
They seem to be gaining popularity in leaps and bounds.
Never underestimate the british public. There are thousands and thousands who haven't voted at all for years. Suddenly they are energised again. UKIP has done that.
2015 could be very interesting.

I'm all for leaving the EU. We joined The Common Market. We didn't join a fragmented United States of Europe, to be administered too by those who wont have our best interests at heart.

As you rightly say, UKIP have touched a chord amongst many who either previously didn't vote (one here), or were generally so apathetic about and mistrustful of our system, that they simply couldn't care less.

I don't believe that UKIP will gain any form of majority at the next election. The only reason why they appear to be, as you say "Energising" many who previously didn't bother is because the two major parties STILL refuse to take the wishes of many, seriously. Before the next GE, I suspect that those parliamentarians, who are currently so dismissive of them, will be taking the threat more seriously and closer to the date.

Farage is an impassioned and incredibly powerful speaker. He has a persona which deluges those who take him on in debate, and it's Farage as a man, as well as the UKIP policies which are currently supplying the apparent buoyancy. Whilst we are all quite certain of the UKIP policy on Europe, I wonder how many of us can quote their other policies, I wonder how many of us are aware of the policies on Defence, or Education or Health or Agriculture. I'm certainly not, and to be quite truthful, neither I suspect, are UKIP!

I don't believe that any political party has the will to repeal the Hunting Ban. Placating minority, though none the less, vociferous splinter groups, is all about vote gathering, "Casting bread upon the waters......" sort of thing.

I don't believe one single word that ever issues from the mouth of any politician, and that includes UKIP, and it wouldn't surprise me to find, that in the unlikely event that UKIP win a majority, then three years after the election, we are still members of the bloody EU!!

Alec.

 

[Isbister]

I too would like to see the whole sinister EU scheme unravel. It is fast becoming the incarnation of everything Adolf Hitler attempted to achieve by more straightforward means. Nothing flies without approval from Berlin.

I still believe that UKIP have no chance of winning the general election, and a vote for them then could prove disastrously counterproductive, but they may well achieve some form of upset in the European elections. I for one shall vote for them then, but will have to wait and see what I do in the general elections. I'm hoping UKIP success in the European elections will at least ginger up the other parties.

 

[ribbons]

You could well be right Alec.
I'm not so sure.
I do think though that it is the man more than the party that is so popular. He is brilliant at drawing people in. He has charisma, and says what many people want to hear, in a way that is believable. What he says is what he thinks, the words are his own, not a team of spinners writing for him.
People seem to trust and admire him. Should that be deserved, time will tell.
Would UKIP be as popular without Nigel Farage, probably not, and they know that, which of course is why he is the leader.
Given the ridiculous puppets/muppets leading the other parties, he is a breath of fresh air.
On the subject of the rest of their policies, its not difficult to find out where they stand.

 

[Countryman]

I still believe that UKIP have no chance of winning the general election, and a vote for them then could prove disastrously counterproductive, but they may well achieve some form of upset in the European elections. I for one shall vote for them then, but will have to wait and see what I do in the general elections. I'm hoping UKIP success in the European elections will at least ginger up the other parties.

This is very true-people should vote for UKIP all they like in the EU elections, but when it comes to 2015, anyone desiring a Conservative or pro-repeal or indeed any other kind of government other than Ed Miliband must vote Conservative for them to have a chance of winning. They will need every vote they can get. He system is already so biased against them that if the Conservatives win 10 million Votes and Labour 8 million (similar to what happened in 2010) the Conservatives win 306/650 seats - 20 seats short of a majority, while if the opposite happened and Labour win 10 million votes and the Conservatives 8 million, Labour win a massive 87 seat majority with 413 seats out of 650 (as happened in 2001, and it was with this massive majority that Blair was able to ban hunting).

 

[TigerTail]

Im with Countryman

Ideally Id vote UKIP loudly and proudly - however I do NOT ever want to see Labour get back in. They wrecked the financially stable country they were handed by MT and for those of us in our mid 20's and down have p!ssed our careers and ability to get on the property market away.

Id love the UKIP to take a stance on capping building in the UK - there won't be any land left at all if Labour get back in - who will let all ad sundry in as it secures them more voters and then need to house them somewhere.

So whilst my heart is firmly with UKIP Il vote conservative- and I don't think they have done a bad job despite being ham stringed by the LD's.

 

[Houndman]

I'll be voting UKIP for the Euro elections. What happens in 2015 I will decide nearer the time.

Interesting idea that if Scottish devolution ever occurs, then Labour will lose a massive number of seats, which is of course one of the main reasons they are opposing it.