Ulcer supplement

[Bluesy]

Hello,
I’m looking at supplements to stop reoccurrence of ulcers ,

Is equine americas ulce-guard good? That is what I’m leaning towards at the moment , any other recommendations are appreciated too ! Thank you

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

Look up Ron Fields his on Facebook he does some great supplements for ulcers they are the only ones I would use as I know they have worked on several horses.

 

[LEC]

I have just looked at Ron Fields and this is why you should not follow internet advice… it’s not NOPS or BETA approved so could have anything in it.

I have just started looking at supps for this and leaning towards Protexin or Feedmark. I need to research more the benefits of Apple pectins.

 

[bouncing_ball]

I have just looked at Ron Fields and this is why you should not follow internet advice… it’s not NOPS or BETA approved so could have anything in it.

I have just started looking at supps for this and leaning towards Protexin or Feedmark. I need to research more the benefits of Apple pectins.

I’ve not used any Ron Fields ulcer products but a large rehabilitation/ trainer that I hugely rate with over 50 horses and Tom Beech osteopathic vet both recommend Ron Fields ulcer products snd Equishure. Both say they’ve seen lead significant improvement in large number of horses.

I dont disagree that Ron fields website doesn’t inspire me . ..

 

[Melody Grey]

I have just looked at Ron Fields and this is why you should not follow internet advice… it’s not NOPS or BETA approved so could have anything in it.

I have just started looking at supps for this and leaning towards Protexin or Feedmark. I need to research more the benefits of Apple pectins.

Re: the apple pectins, I *think* Equitop Pronutrin and Science Supplements Gastrokind both contain them amongst other fruit extracts.

ETA: my horse had pronutrin during his ulcer treatment and is in long term Gastrokind- both expensive though beneficial. They were recommended by my vet, so would imagine properly tested and approved?

 

[skint1]

Lincoln Yea-Sacc 30 worked well for my mare.

 

[LEC]

I’ve not used any Ron Fields ulcer products but a large rehabilitation/ trainer that I hugely rate with over 50 horses and Tom Beech osteopathic vet both recommend Ron Fields ulcer products snd Equishure. Both say they’ve seen lead significant improvement in large number of horses.

I dont disagree that Ron fields website doesn’t inspire me . ..

tbh with ulcers if you change management and give them anything which is neutralising acid then you will see an improvement. I have decided to cost up making my own but need to work out apple pectin ratios and a decent supply of magnesium hydroxide.

 

[LEC]

Re: the apple pectins, I *think* Equitop Pronutrin and Science Supplements Gastrokind both contain them amongst other fruit extracts.

ETA: my horse had pronutrin during his ulcer treatment and is in long term Gastrokind- both expensive though beneficial. They were recommended by my vet, so would imagine properly tested and approved?

several of them do as been going through them all with a fine tooth comb! It’s because the Apple pectins are supposed to turn into a protective mucosa. It’s tricky as effectively all you need is actually calcium carbonate but with all these fancy ingredients coming along you then think you need them as want to do the best job possible. How often are they actually tested? The answer is very little as the supplement market for animals is like the Wild West. Unregulated and as long as you don’t make wild claims and benefits then off you go.

 

[bouncing_ball]

tbh with ulcers if you change management and give them anything which is neutralising acid then you will see an improvement. I have decided to cost up making my own but need to work out apple pectin ratios and a decent supply of magnesium hydroxide.

The management of the 50 horses is already spot on. Some with issues still benefited from the supplements.

 

[bouncing_ball]

several of them do as been going through them all with a fine tooth comb! It’s because the Apple pectins are supposed to turn into a protective mucosa. It’s tricky as effectively all you need is actually calcium carbonate but with all these fancy ingredients coming along you then think you need them as want to do the best job possible. How often are they actually tested? The answer is very little as the supplement market for animals is like the Wild West. Unregulated and as long as you don’t make wild claims and benefits then off you go.

Speedibeet is an easy source pectins.

 

[PinkvSantaboots]

I have just looked at Ron Fields and this is why you should not follow internet advice… it’s not NOPS or BETA approved so could have anything in it.

I have just started looking at supps for this and leaning towards Protexin or Feedmark. I need to research more the benefits of Apple pectins.

I can only go by the several horses that were put on the supplement and did well on it several vets I know rate it as well but if you don't like the look of it fair enough.

I have put both of mine on protexin and can honestly say I don't think it did anything a bit of yea sac would do for half the price.

 

[poiuytrewq]

I can only go by the several horses that were put on the supplement and did well on it several vets I know rate it as well but if you don't like the look of it fair enough.

I have put both of mine on protexin and can honestly say I don't think it did anything a bit of yea sac would do for half the price.

I really really rate Ron Fields supplements too. I’ve used a few now and been very happy with them.

 

[lynz88]

Following this! Which Ron Fields product(s) have people been using? Mine became a super grump back in Dec. We figured he injured himself as chiro found all sorts of stuff wrong at the beginning of Jan and he became a grump about being groomed and blanketed a day or 2 after he went out after a small period of box rest. I also put him on the Protexin gut balancer just in case. Over the weeks he has been slowly getting better - still a grump especially to groom giving me warning "ouch" nudges but I was to the point if being able to change his blanket and even run a brush over him. Forgot to buy another tub of protexin due to a hectic work schedule so he's been off of it for at least a couple of days and he's turned SUPER grumpy again - as if we have turned back time to December. Even was upset with the girls on the yard to change his blanket (previously he was only a grump with me). I want to think that the gut balancer is part of my answer but I am not sure if I am on the right track (I previously had him on yea sacc and had switched to the protexin given its a pre and pro biotic). Can't help to think it is gut/ulcer related. I've got a huge tub of Gut Balancer now but wondering if there is something I'm missing since it has SEEMED to make a difference but not 100%

 

[poiuytrewq]

I’ve used Ulcex30 and Remount. Was particularly pleased with the Remount but that’s not ulcer related!

 

[lynz88]

Thanks. I've hears good things about the Remount and was debating using it for boosting immune support last year (ended up going with the GH one which I'm not sure I noticed any particular difference).

 

[Ample Prosecco]

I use Equine 74 Gastric on the recommendation of my vet. I used it for a month and Lottie was much better so I wondered if she could manage without, Within 3 days of finishing the course she was showing clear signs of discomfort again and so I am now on the 4 month course - after which I will try jher off it again. She was back to seeming pain free and comfortable within 48 hours of restarting it.

I bought a mini tub of Ron Fields pre-ulc powder after a chat on the phone but it came in a plain, unlabelled tub and I was a bit uncomfortable feeding unkown ingredients to my horses.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

ETA Ron told me on the phone what was in it - not that it meant much to me - but I want an ingredients list on a label on any product I use.

 

[lynz88]

Is Equine 74 meant for longterm use or something that you use as a "one off"? I just had a look at the cost and looks fairly expensive but if it is meant to be used for a limited period of time, I may give it a go for myself (well, not me...my horse lol).

 

[Ample Prosecco]

My vet said it was fine to use long term but I'd rather not rely on a supplement long term if possible, partly because it is very expensive and mainly because I would want to know why Lottie is developing ulcers. We have assumed it was related to thempain of the injury, the box rest and the discomfort of rehabbing an injury. But if she is struggling after another 4 months on it now that she is recovered, rehabbed and with plenty of turnout, I would want to understand why.

The supplement itself is fine ot use long term though -unlike the acid inhibitors which cause problems.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Is Equine 74 meant for longterm use or something that you use as a "one off"? I just had a look at the cost and looks fairly expensive but if it is meant to be used for a limited period of time, I may give it a go for myself (well, not me...my horse lol).

I realise I did not reallt answer your question!

So my vet says horses develop and heal ulcers all the time. They get ulcers because of some stressor and then resolve them when the stressor resolves. You can speed that process up with things kike supplements but only id used in conjunction with removing the cause. If they do not resolve then there is likely to be an on-going stressor and unless you deal with that then no matter what treatment you use - gastroguard, sulcrafate or whatever - they will just come back when you stop treatment.

So the supplement should be used short term at the same time as you address the underlying causes. But some horses are just natually a bit stressy and may need a supplment to spport gut health a bit longer.

 

[lynz88]

Good to know. What your vet says makes perfect sense. I feel like I've got a similar issue where mine - pretty much overnight - decided he didn't want to be touched. But....he had just been through 2 weeks of a stone injury in the frog, box rest, and then we do know he injured himself after being turned out after box rest because chiro found all sorts of issues which weren't there 6 weeks prior ? I also have linked sarcoids with the beet pulp they get at the yard which started growing at around the same time which is usually an immune/stress response....


I was just considering slippery elm tbh to avoid the problem of longterm use of acid inhibitors. Yet another "thing" to consider! Over the course of 1.5 months I saw slow progress using the maintenance dose of Protexin Gut Balancer with mine but can't help but think there is something missing....last weekend I was so happy with him and was ready to return him to light work only to find Sir Grumps A Lot again having been out of the Protexin.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

Yeah its not an acid inhibitor but one of the ones that increase mucosity and so provide more of a buffer against the acid. I think they all work in a similar way really. Though to try and make life cheaper, I switched to something half the price that contained marshmallow root and slippery elm - and it didn't work.

 

[lynz88]

Thanks AE. You've given me something further to look into. It would make it so much easier if there weren't 100 million options and they all reacted similarly to products. I would scope but my gut is telling me that it would be fruitless for some reason.

 

[HorsesRule2009]

Take a look at https://www.hestevard.com/exagus.html.
Have heard a lot of good stories about it and no it is well supported/thought of by vets

 

[bouncing_ball]

I realise I did not reallt answer your question!

So my vet says horses develop and heal ulcers all the time. They get ulcers because of some stressor and then resolve them when the stressor resolves. You can speed that process up with things kike supplements but only id used in conjunction with removing the cause. If they do not resolve then there is likely to be an on-going stressor and unless you deal with that then no matter what treatment you use - gastroguard, sulcrafate or whatever - they will just come back when you stop treatment.

So the supplement should be used short term at the same time as you address the underlying causes. But some horses are just natually a bit stressy and may need a supplment to spport gut health a bit longer.

that’s interesting does he still treat ulcers once primary cause found snd resolved? Or does he think they’ll heal themselves once cause sorted?

 

[ycbm]

Aloe vera juice is not only a fraction of the price of ulcer supplements, but clinically proven.
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[LEC]

ETA Ron told me on the phone what was in it - not that it meant much to me - but I want an ingredients list on a label on any product I use.

Abso-bloody-lutely - how do you know it won’t contraindicate if your horse has to have medication?!? Honestly horse people drive me bloody nuts with the insanity of what they will stick in their horse

 

[Ample Prosecco]

that’s interesting does he still treat ulcers once primary cause found snd resolved? Or does he think they’ll heal themselves once cause sorted?

She will treat ulcers alongside a known cause like an injury or if a horse moved yards or had box rest or something. But if the cause is unknown but she suspects or identifies ulcers she does a holistic assessment of the horse’s lifestyle and says she only wants to treat if the owner is willing to adjust how the horse is managed. Or it’s stressful and expensive for no good outcome because in her experience when ulcers are caused by how a horse is kept they will just come back.

 

[Ample Prosecco]

And often she will suggest not treating but instead just supplementing - as she did with Lottie - and letting horse heal herself once cause is removed. But it depends On how bad they are because painful ulcers are themselves a source of stress! So sometimes you need to treat while also addressing the causes

 

[Muddywellies]

Hello,
I’m looking at supplements to stop reoccurrence of ulcers ,

Is equine americas ulce-guard good? That is what I’m leaning towards at the moment , any other recommendations are appreciated too ! Thank you

Did your vet not run through managing an ulcer-prone horse? There's more to it than feeding a supplement, and will involve turnout, reducing stress, changing feed, exercise/rest routine, feeding chaff before exercise, eliminating the cause of the ulcers.