Update, for those who are interested

mcrobbiena said:
I also agree with amymay. I would want to check if she is in foal or not so I could be feeding correctly. If she is not in foal she is horrendously over weight and if she is you might want to think about feeding her more nutrtious food as by now the foal will be using most of the food to grow. You also want to know when you start foal watch incase any problems occur which could result in the death of both.

Am I an overly cautious human?Why has noone said this before?
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Now, I am not going to enter an argument about whether QB is right or wrong but I will say this as it is a major bug bear of mine, all your points have actually been addressed in this thread and if you had bothered to read it you would know the answers to your questions already. I think it is very rude to turn up late in the day and be all huffy when you can't even be bothered to read the whole thread.
 
jesstickle said:
Now, I am not going to enter an argument about whether QB is right or wrong but I will say this as it is a major bug bear of mine, all your points have actually been addressed in this thread and if you had bothered to read it you would know the answers to your questions already. I think it is very rude to turn up late in the day and be all huffy when you can't even be bothered to read the whole thread.
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Agreed. It's tedious when people start repeating everything which has been said already and asking the same questions. They've all been answered.
 
By the way, my mare had a very healthy foal this year but it cost alot of money and we did things as advised by knowledgable people and knew a bit ourselves having all (me, mum, brother) worked with horses and brother doing vetinary and I am so pleased we did things "by the book" and everything turned out well because if we hadn't and something went wrong I wouldn't be able to forgive myself because it could have been avoided. The same as if something had gone bad to either of them despite my best efforts, at least I had done my best and always put them first during a very important time.

Just because a horse belongs to someone doesn't mean they can do what they want it is OK, if you saw someone attacking their horse I hope you wouldn't stand by and watch, you would intervene or at least report it.

Also I do realise that horses have survived centuries in the wild and managed to sustain a population so they are not incapable. But if you have a domesticated one you should do your best by it. What sort of vet says "its fine just wait and see" I would be looking for a different vet.
 
Well how has this not made her think that she should maybe do something about it? I am not reading 31 pages of this everyone is entitled to an opinion. As for saying why has nobody said this before, it was more of a why has nobody said this before and it had an effect. Your all up in arms over soem things and totally disinterested by others. Get your priorities right!
 
Apologies for not being arsed to read an over-excited long winded thread and for re-posting what others have have previously posted. It comforts me that she has been advised more than once to have the mare scanned and has still taken her own judgment as the path to follow! Everyone has freedom of opinion and good or bad, that is the reason you post, surely.
 
mcrobbiena said:
Just because a horse belongs to someone doesn't mean they can do what they want it is OK, if you saw someone attacking their horse I hope you wouldn't stand by and watch, you would intervene or at least report it.
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Silly, immature thing to say. Physical abuse of an animal cannot be put in the same category as someone making an informed decision not to undertake veterinary intervention where none is deemed necessary.

You are entitled to your own opinion but please do not be so arrogant as to assume your way is the only correct path and all others are wrong and therefore animal abusers.
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FionaM12 said:
(((((Applaus)))) :D:D
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Fiona I don't know how to do this in a kind way so all I can do is to apologise now to you. I'm singling you out because you've been very highly visible in showing your exuberance during these threads. I know you're not a breeder because if you were you would completely understand the reasons why very experienced horse people are concerned for this mare.
 
jesstickle said:
Now, I am not going to enter an argument about whether QB is right or wrong but I will say this as it is a major bug bear of mine, all your points have actually been addressed in this thread and if you had bothered to read it you would know the answers to your questions already. I think it is very rude to turn up late in the day and be all huffy when you can't even be bothered to read the whole thread.
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It's 31 pages long - sorry just didn't have time, or inclination to trawl back through.:rolleyes:
 
Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. But how can you form a proper opinion if you haven't even read what has been said? Anyway, I don't care. Do as you please, I'll just stop checking in on the thread thinking something has happened as it is a constant disappointment to realise it is people going over the same thing from a week back rather than news!
 
FionaM12 said:
Agreed. It's tedious when people start repeating everything which has been said already and asking the same questions. They've all been answered.
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Perhaps "people" have to keep repeating themselves because no one is listening! I do not believe that any vet would just shrug his shoulders and say "lets wait and see" that is just utter rubbish! Vet is either incompetent or non-existent. Mcrobbiena - I agree with you and the others who are being shouted down on here. Mare should have been tested and modern science implemented. Fact. This has NOT been done. No recommended additional jabs given. I expect this poor mare has something quite seriously wrong with her that is being ignored due to her owner's stupidity but every time I post on here I get shouted at by a bunch of people who want to let nature take its course - clapping hands together in glee and squealing "pretty foalie coming soon .... weeeeee". Get real, mother nature stinks - she gives life and she takes it away.
 
the suspense is killing me! can you not get her examined for my curiosity and so we can have a guestimate arrival date :-D pweeese :-D
 
Crickey it makes me glad to know I have enough knowledge to make an informed descision when people suggest things or I have a question but there are people on here who know no different being advised by some total happy dafties. I am glad I am not a first time owner looking for advice on here because there are people on here that just don't have a clue but think they are the dogs b*ll*cks
 
BonneMaman said:
Perhaps "people" have to keep repeating themselves because no one is listening!
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But what's the point? It's all been said, QB isn't going to change her course of action just because you're saying the same things over and over again.

I understand your concern, but surely you might as well unsubscribe to the thread and save yourself the annoyance?

I'm not saying that the way QB is handling things is how I would. Just that it's her business and I'm quite happy to observe and wish her and her horse(s) well.
 
I am another who disagrees with QB's chosen method. However it is her Horse and her choice. I myself would want to know and seek professional help (I know QB has done, but IMO a vet who will treat a Horse as in foal without seeing it, is not a professional)

QB I hope you get better soon! it's no fun having the sniffles, especially as you are losing sleep watching over your girl. I also wish your mare and possible foal the best.
 
mcrobbiena said:
Crickey it makes me glad to know I have enough knowledge to make an informed descision when people suggest things or I have a question but there are people on here who know no different being advised by some total happy dafties. I am glad I am not a first time owner looking for advice on here because there are people on here that just don't have a clue but think they are the dogs b*ll*cks
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QB hasn't asked for advice here. The only person whose advice she says she's sought is her vet.
 
I've been keeping an eye on this thread (although admittedly probably not read everything!!)

I'm not going to comment on the 'is she/isn't she in foal' as I know zilch on the subject, or will I get into the get vet to test or not argument as the op has made her decision on what route to take.

I truly hope all goes well & foalie comes soon but was wondering do you have a cut off date in mind for if foalie doesn't arrive then tests will be done? xx
 
tinap555 said:
I truly hope all goes well & foalie comes soon but was wondering do you have a cut off date in mind for if foalie doesn't arrive then tests will be done? xx
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AFAIK the longest gestation resulting in a live foal stands at 445 days.... and it's not unusual for a maiden mare to go a few weeks over. Remember 340 is very much an average, and anything between 320 and 370 is 'normal'. You could have a very, very long wait.
 
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amymay said:
It's 31 pages long - sorry just didn't have time, or inclination to trawl back through.:rolleyes:
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I don't blame you. I didn't quote you amymay, because you asked perfectly politely. You didn't come along and start mouthing off, for want of a better phrase, because no one had asked why it hadn't been said before when it quite patently had. There are ways to ask a question after all.
 
mcrobbiena said:
Crickey it makes me glad to know I have enough knowledge to make an informed descision when people suggest things or I have a question but there are people on here who know no different being advised by some total happy dafties. I am glad I am not a first time owner looking for advice on here because there are people on here that just don't have a clue but think they are the dogs b*ll*cks
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No need to be so aggressive.

I seek advice from my extremely well thought of vets regularly and would certainly want them on hand if I was in QB's sitution.

However, the point here is that it is not up to us to shout QB down because we disagree with her decision. This doesn't make me or anyone else who defends her "total happy dafties".

She has said professional advice has been sought and it is not your or anyone else's place to call her a liar.
 
I never said she was a liar?! I said I would want to change vets if mine had advised that, but he wouldn't and he is on the end of the phone if I need him, my brothers also studying vet and his gf has been qualified and working 2 years now so I am very fortunate to have a lot of vetty people around, i ahve also worked in a few yards, so has my mum all very good yards (good as in successful at what they do) and I have friends who are in my opinion very knowledgable and great riders. I can't see any of them giving the advice she has been given. But its up to her, I'm bored of this. I wish her mare all the best and hope the foal if there is one is healthy and happy and everything goes perfectly. But I have read a few really sad stories on the breeding forum who have put everything into making sure they have done the best by their mare and foal and it still not work out because mother nature was being a bitch.

Just curiouse, how would you look after a foal born this late with winter predicted to be as bad as it is? It wont have any grass warmth for MONTHS! Do you just keep them in?
 
mcrobbiena said:
I am glad I am not a first time owner looking for advice on here because there are people on here that just don't have a clue but think they are the dogs b*ll*cks
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People like you then. Stop being a keyboard warrior, because I highly doubt you would ever speak to someone face to face in the manner you have written to people on here.

It is ultimately QB's choice and just because you wouldn't do it her way, doesn't mean it is wrong. Get over it, you sad sad person.
 
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mcrobbiena said:
Just curiouse, how would you look after a foal born this late with winter predicted to be as bad as it is? It wont have any grass warmth for MONTHS! Do you just keep them in?
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It's perfectly manageable to look after a late foal during the winter months.

Clearly the weather will be of great importance, and during wet and windy days I suspect you'd want them kept in (I certainly would). But with good sensible management, a little foal rug, and plenty of milk from mum it will thrive just as well as a spring born foal.
 
mcrobbiena said:
But I have read a few really sad stories on the breeding forum who have put everything into making sure they have done the best by their mare and foal and it still not work out because mother nature was being a bitch.
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kind of proves a point that sometimes even when it's done 'the right way' that it doesn't guarantee a happy outcome!
QB is not abusing her horse or mistreating it and it is in no more danger than any other pregnant mare, it may not be the way some people would do it but that doesn't make it right for people to name call and act superior.
 
Have to agree with LaurenBay, am not sure my vet would just give me a bit of advice over the phone on something as serious as this.

2 years ago, I put my very precious (to me) mare in foal. It was a long thought out decision, and not something we did lightly. We did everything by the book, but sadly, the foal was stillborn at 336 days. A perfect in every way little filly.

This thread has really upset me that someone could seem so flippant about something so precious.
 
I have read the whole thread and what concerns me more is not if the mare is in foal - nature can take it's course with that, but what if the mare is NOT in foal??? Surely then there is something else going on which should have been investigated by now? I really hope she is and you have a healthy foal born but I don't think I could let my mare continue with a bloated belly and restless symptoms without knowing for sure what it was.
 
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