Update : he did it again

Ok.
Enough is enough.
I thought you were being too quick/ not giving him a chance and I was glad to see you give him that chance ( and still think that was the right thing to do at that point and that it could have been handled a bit diff).

Having done it again, I think you would be sensible to get rid, in whatever way that needs to be.

What shame :( I am sorry .
 
So sorry this has happened again as it seemed you were making some great steps. I am a person who believes there is always a reason for this kind of behaviour and don't like to write horses off.

However, this is completely bizarre behaviour and it doesn't seem anything is likely to be able to stop it as so far it is unexplained. If you have also noticed something odd about his eyes then to me that is another sign that something is not right in the horse's brain and is almost like he's getting a shot of something that suddenly tells him to run. It's likened to stories people have said on here about horses having penicillin jabs when it goes a bit wrong and sends horses into a blind run. I think it was commented it was like them having a shot of cocaine to the brain. What your horse is doing sounds similar, almost like an adrenalin shot suddenly for no reason. Therefore, it suggests there is something neurological going on.

Sadly, I do think for yours, his and everyone else's safety it does sound there is only one option for this horse :( Really sad as I do feel sorry for him as it's not his fault after all. He sounds terrified and he has no idea why. I still think you need to pursue the dealers though as I cannot believe they hadn't witnessed any of this behaviour and it's disgraceful they didn't do the right thing by this horse as opposed to thinking about lining their pockets :(

I really feel for you OP :(
 
Another who would, without further question call the hunt. I'm so sorry, but you have to put other people's safety first. You would never live peacefully if there were to be a serious accident due to the unpredictability of this horse. Sounds like he has a tumour, and that is causing 'wild' behaviour. It is simply not worth continuing.
I wish you all the best, and am thinking of you at this tough time. Hugs. x
 
The eye rolling sounds huge alarm bells IMO, never mind the bolting again. I feel so sorry for you OP and for the horse. But as everyone else has said, it is time to keep yourself and others safe and have this poor horse PTS. Hopefully tomorrow your vet will do the deed and also perhaps give you some back up in a claim against the totally irresponsible dealers who sold this horse on.

I cannot believe that they weren't aware that this horse has dangerous neurological issues that can never be cured. OK - they can't see inside the horse's brain, who can? But assuming they are breeders/dealers with some years of experience behind them, they MUST have had their suspicions about the horse. :(
 
I haven't read the whole of this thread, but he sounds the same as my old boy, he was 27 when he started having what I can only describe as panic attacks, he would stare into the distance, shake, break out in sweat, and if you didn't have a very good hold, would go. First time he badly cut his knee. Cross tied for Five weeks etc. he was ok for another year, when it started again, he ended up leaving the field, exiting the yard between the open gate and a car that was leaving, onto a main road, the wrong way round a round about. How he wasn't killed or killed anyone I'll never know. Long story short he was PTS the vet couldn't find any reason for his behaviour. I really feel so very sorry for you I know what you are going through, tho I had owned my lad for 26 years when he started. I have the feeling the vendor know exactly what he was selling. Good luck.
 
MrsJingle said:
The eye rolling sounds huge alarm bells IMO, never mind the bolting again. I feel so sorry for you OP and for the horse. But as everyone else has said, it is time to keep yourself and others safe and have this poor horse PTS. Hopefully tomorrow your vet will do the deed and also perhaps give you some back up in a claim against the totally irresponsible dealers who sold this horse on.

I cannot believe that they weren't aware that this horse has dangerous neurological issues that can never be cured. OK - they can't see inside the horse's brain, who can? But assuming they are breeders/dealers with some years of experience behind them, they MUST have had their suspicions about the horse. :(
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Makes you wonder did they breed this horse or did they buy the horse, realise its problem and sold it on. What ever is the truth at least OP is doing the responsible thing
 
honetpot said:
I was really pleased for you when he seemed to be settling but after this cut your loses and PTS. You will never really trust him and its going to be a lot of heartache if he does it again and injures a bystander. I have a four year old 14.2 cob type that I have not had time to break that I would gladly give you if he goes.
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This is so kind and caring of you honetpot - sending you hugs DA - horrid situation. Keep safe and get your vets advice,
 
I'm another who was glad you gave him a second chance but jeeze op! Not good.

If he were mine and I had him pts I would go down the pm route if only for closure.

The fact the 'breeders' were not even bothered to respond to you when you first raised concerns speaks volumes to me.

Good luck with the vet tomorrow and above everything else keep yourself safe.
 
I still believe you are a truly remarkable person who, against all the odds, tried to do the best thing by your horse. I don't know you, but couldn't bear to read that you've been seriously injured or worse, because you didn't want to give up on this fella. So, from all the postings, and your description of this latest event, it sounds like he suffered some kind of fit, possibly brought on by a brain tumour. If this is the case, how realistic is it that he could be cured? Probably not, so you only have one possible course of action, and out of the genuine affection you have already have for him, the kindest thing you can do for him is to pts.
If it was me, and I could afford it, I would have a pm to satisfy my curiosity, but to be honest, it won't change anything, so perhaps better to spend any money on a new horse. Huge hugs to you anyway, whatever you decide. It must help you to know so many people on here are supporting you, I do hope so...
 
Thank you. thanks so everyone. its not an easy decision for me to make and ive been in tears most of the afternoon/evening. youre all so supportive, thank you. seriously.
 
As for a new horse, i really cant afford one. I have 2 oldies (18 and 22 ) my young comp horse (7yo) who is about to go in for his PSD op and a pony thats too small for me. I cant look at spending more money on a horse, ive already lost quite a lot on this one. Ill just have to suck it up drive the lorry instead lol! I can ride my oldie 18 yo but hes not up for much more than low level work and we are out of BD points to compete low level unaff. so i guess HC for me or quiet schooling.
 
I haven't commented till now but really feel for you being in such a difficult position. It's very worrying that this has happened again and certainly isn't normal behaviour. I think your concerns are totally justified and hope your vet helps you to reach a decision that you are eventually comfortable with. I also hope that perhaps someone will offer you a ride on a horse in the short term to help fill the gap that this horse was meant to fill.
 
Best thing you can do is to get a good vet out and give him a thorough check . It could be the smallest thing or it could be something major setting him off like this . If you have him PTS before having a thorough check you will constantly be kicking yourself and asking yourself questions because you will never get to the bottom of the problem ! I know how awful it must be though for you , I can imagine you are having sleepless nights from the worry .
A horse at my yard used to jump out constantly , one time he was found around 5 miles away near a cliff ! Turned out he didn't like being turned out and preffered being in a stable 24/7 he also had trouble with his eyes . My friend sold him on as of the worry and he's now doing absolutely fine due to being kept in .
Fingers crossed for you
 
It is a very sad situation but, I still really think you have a case against the vendors of this horse and, truly hope you are compensated and I feel you need to fight them for this.

I know you're probably not thinking this right now as the horse's welfare and your emotions are the immediate concern. However, I think you have a case and I really hope your vet supports you. I am not sure if you can get blood test to confirm/deny any type of tumour? I am just thinking if you are insured (although I guess this is likely to fall within the 14 day period?) then, getting a diagnosis prior to having the horse PTS may at least enable you to be able to be compensated through that route.

I know how crappy you must be feeling (having just lost a horse, then our dog and then having my dad taken to hospital yesterday, this month has not been good!), but at the end of the day, you are doing what is right for this horse. The poor thing is obviously not in control of what is happening and there does not seem to be anyway this horse can be kept safe from himself.
 
Is he an appy?

I would get his eyes checked, and do a sound reaction test. They are prone to sight and hearing issues, and a bit of a shot in the dark, but perhaps it could be something like tinnitus (my granddad had this where he would hear sudden loud crashes and bangs) - just a thought.
 
DA, I am so sorry this has happened and the thought that you were riding him yesterday leaves me cold.

I agree with cptrayes, for me it would mean the end of the road for this horse.
 
Equestriangirl123 said:
Best thing you can do is to get a good vet out and give him a thorough check . It could be the smallest thing or it could be something major setting him off like this . If you have him PTS before having a thorough check you will constantly be kicking yourself and asking yourself questions because you will never get to the bottom of the problem ! I know how awful it must be though for you , I can imagine you are having sleepless nights from the worry .
A horse at my yard used to jump out constantly , one time he was found around 5 miles away near a cliff ! Turned out he didn't like being turned out and preffered being in a stable 24/7 he also had trouble with his eyes . My friend sold him on as of the worry and he's now doing absolutely fine due to being kept in .
Fingers crossed for you
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There is no point in paying for any more checks. The reaction is extreme. If the horse is capable of that extreme a reaction to something which can be easily fixed, there is simply no way of knowing what other minor issue may make it do the same again, with worse consequences next time.
 
Pigeon said:
Is he an appy?

I would get his eyes checked, and do a sound reaction test. They are prone to sight and hearing issues, and a bit of a shot in the dark, but perhaps it could be something like tinnitus (my granddad had this where he would hear sudden loud crashes and bangs) - just a thought.
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It is an Appy but who in their right minds would keep it alive with eye/hearing issues? DA will simply be spending more money for the same result, a horse that is too dangerous to be left alive.
 
Aww, rubbish, so sorry to hear this DA, been following since your first thread and like others I was really happy to read he was seemingly starting to settle.

All the very best for the vet visit tomorrow, you have a huge number of people supporting you from afar, myself included.
 
cptrayes said:
It is an Appy but who in their right minds would keep it alive with eye/hearing issues? DA will simply be spending more money for the same result, a horse that is too dangerous to be left alive.
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I do have to agree with this. As said, I am usually in the camp of trying everything and worst case scenario retire BUT even as a very soft person, I can't see any option for this horse. OP just has to be grateful this did not happen when they were on board!

The only one possible reason I would try any other options is if the horse had some kind of virus/infection that was causing a severe reaction like this but I think that is highly unlikely as that would be progressive and not cause such random, unpredictable behaviour. Christ, I have known some erratic horses in my time but non that would just run for no reason.

You could maybe find some excuse for it if, like another poster, the horses was merely being a bit of a swine and heading back to a nearby yard it had been on previously. However, this is not the case it would seem and the horse is going from 100% normal, grazing happily in a field to taking off without any thought (other than it's actually jumping obstacles in it's way!). I highly doubt there is a cure for this and, even if a vet thought there was, could you ever 100% trust it not to do it again?
 
Hi sorry this has happened again,I don't know if you remembered but I pmd you first time saying I would have PTS then. Please do not you or anybody else get on this horse, you should have no guilt what so ever in having him PTS but the guilt if something happens to someone else through this horses potential unpredictable behaviour would haunt you forever. Cut your losses it's better he ends his days with you if he did go back to the dealer and you got your money back, would you honestly feel comfortable knowing they will more than lightly pass it on again.

The horse we had that nearly ended in disaster cost us £5000 but it was my duty that he ended his days with us , he also was a lunatic I traced him back and found out he was a very dangerous horse with his previous owner and you would never have a clear conscience selling him on knowing what he has done. The horse does not know tomorrow.
 
Unfortunately I'm on the pts side. I can't see there being any good reason for such an extreme reaction and what if a car hits him next time?
 
Very sorry to hear he has done it again after you trying so hard to give him a second chance. in a way its good that it happened when it did because you now know that there does not need to be anything specific to trigger the behaviour so whatever does start him off os something inside him that you have no control over. if he was mine I would be giving him a huge net of hay and a feed with carrots or whatever he likes in it and then having the vet or hunt pts while he is in a happy mental place and before he seriously hurts someone
 
Just caught up with this latest update. DA I can not add anything that has not already been said. So very sad for you after appearing to make progress this is devastating.

Sending hugs, have an honest discussion with your vet tomorrow, you will make the right decision.
 
If the vet can't find anything, do you think it would be worth trying a horse behaviourist? I tried a lovely woman called Melanie Watson, she was my last hope as everybody was telling me that my horse had no hope and he was just plain dangerous when I first bought him, but 2 and a half weeks with Melanie and he's an angel now and has been ever since. I was really sceptical but she really was my last hope for him and it worked out in the end. Maybe this is not an option, but just wanted to mention it x
 
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