Update : he did it again

So sorry to hear that this has happened. Do you know his breeding? I ask because I am aware of a couple of Appaloosa breeders who are perhaps best described as less than scrupulous! One sells on as unregistered those who dish and have umbilical hernias, the other tells rather tall tales about what has happened to the parents of youngstock, leading to their early demise, with youngstock that co-incendtaly don't make it to two years old. These breeders are at opposite ends of the country from each other. There are some good honest appy breeders, thank goodness, but would be interested to know who your boy was bred by.
 
Thanks everyone.
Re his eyes, i dont think he would have jumped electric if he had bad eyesight ;) I just keep running it over and over in my head. It was very similar to the first time, even the route he took was similar, except he jumped into the neighbours instead of the back field this time it means he had to jump more fences to get to the road. And there was no reason for it. My old Sjer was a habitual fence jumper, he used to jump in and out of fields if he was bored or hungry, but he would never go anywhere after he had jumped it and normally jumped in to be friends with the horse next door! The worst he ever did was jump out in my old place but then just walked/trotted to the horses at the yard next door. This horse flat out galloped from his field, out of my property, into next door and just kept going. He only stopped because he was head-bobbing lame and realised he probably couldnt jump any more.

To the lovely person who offered a place for him - thats very sweet but i couldnt hand on heart pass him on because as you say if he wants to go not much is going to hold him. And he definitely wanted to leave. I dont live in a very built up area, i live in a tiny village that is very peaceful and quiet and my other horses are all very happy here. Im sure my livery whos on here will also attest to this.

Im researching options for the likely outcome after a frank chat with the vet in the morning. As for PM etc i will leave it up to vet to decide if its worth investigating.
 
So sorry to hear this after reading about the progress you have made with him. I'm of the same opinion as most, wouldn't waste money investigating reasons and PTS ASAP. As bad as you feel now, it would be ten times worse if he did it again and someone got in the way. Doesn't bear thinking about. I hope you can get some compensation from the breeder.
 
Just caught up with this, so sorry that he's done it again. Was so pleased to see you aboard him on saturday with everything seemingly ok, and now this, you must be gutted.

Remembered something I was researching a while ago, could be relevent to him, quoted from http://www.vetstream.com/equis/Content/Disease/dis01399

"Partial seizures result in localized clinical signs; facial or limb twitch, compulsive running, self-mutilation; and are focal in origin within the cerebral cortex."

'Compulsive running' seems to sum him up, I would also pts I'm afraid, as just too dangerous to continue with him.

Best of luck with everything, and do try to get some redress from the breeders, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with this.
 
I haven't read all the replies but did read your earlier thread .

Because your horse behaves like this for no reason I'd get him checked for a brain tumour.

My horse would behave normally one minute and then explode, you could be trotting down the long side quite happily and then out of nowhere he would rear and buck and twist himself inside out, like a switch in his head went off.

We couldn't get to the bottom of things and it was only when he got an eye ulcer did the vet discover the tumour.

The day a horse becomes dangerous to himself and others with no chance of recovery is the day he has to be PTS no matter how hard .
 
Thank you everyone. I have spoken to vet and also BHS friends at the end service ( amazing ). My hunt dont take livestock anymore so have recommended a ' farm services ' who i believe operate on behalf of. Theyre going to give me a call to do it in the next 24/48 hours to do ' the deed ' i just have to figure out the best place /etc

There was someone on here who is friends with the breeder, have sent a PM to see if she could get him taken back, theyre not answering the phone to me.
 
Oh DA I am so sorry, and its horrid and its tough but deep down im sure its the right call.

Shocking behaviour by the breeders however

Big virtual hug and chocolate xx
 
After following this story. I am really sorry that it has come to this but I think you have made the right choice. You gave him a chance but it hasnt worked out.
 
I am so sorry, I followed all of the threads you'd put up DA, I think you've made the right decision.

It is better for him to go quietly and never feel that fear again, better for you that you won't be injured by him, and better for everyone around you that he doesn't bolt again and cause accident or injury to any passers by (children, drivers - I still can't forget that police TV show with the loose horses on the road - heartstopping).

It is terrible that you have been put in this position by the breeders, who have acted callously with no regard for your safety or for a horse they bred and supposedly cared for.

The info you put up about his eyes rolling upward does sound like a seizure, something neurological to me.

Wishing you hugs and strength for the days ahead. I also hope you find a new horse to work with, as I think you sound like a wonderful caring owner who is prepared to work hard with a difficult or even dangerous horse. There is surely a rescue horse out there somewhere who would learn a lot being with you.
 
honetpot said:
I was really pleased for you when he seemed to be settling but after this cut your loses and PTS. You will never really trust him and its going to be a lot of heartache if he does it again and injures a bystander. I have a four year old 14.2 cob type that I have not had time to break that I would gladly give you if he goes.
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What a very kind and generous offer . . . hats off :).

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digitalangel said:
Thank you everyone. I have spoken to vet and also BHS friends at the end service ( amazing ). My hunt dont take livestock anymore so have recommended a ' farm services ' who i believe operate on behalf of. Theyre going to give me a call to do it in the next 24/48 hours to do ' the deed ' i just have to figure out the best place /etc

There was someone on here who is friends with the breeder, have sent a PM to see if she could get him taken back, theyre not answering the phone to me.
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Oh Honey, I am so very sorry . . . but I do believe you are making the right decision.

Thinking of you . . . you are being very courageous and kind.

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I'm so sorry, you don't deserve to have to deal with the heartbreak and inevitable upset because the former owners wouldn't. You are very brave and entitled to bawl as much as you need.

I'm sure you have the support of everyone on here who has followed your story and hope you have a strong pair of arms available for hugs to help you through.
 
Thank you. waiting from the call back from the guy.. am now thinking sooner rather than better for him.. just WISH the bloody breeders would do the right thing. its such a waste.

As for rescue horse i would love one, but sadly most are not rideable, i did go to the Heros charity but they wanted more than 1k for most of those. That said i dont think i want something else straightaway im now very wary but will PM honetpot and see wether we can work something out. but for the moment i need to concentrate on this guy and make sure everything is done right.

Is it best to leave the others in the field for this i guess.
 
Hi DA i have followed your story from the beggining and i am so sorry to hear this has happened. Well done for giving him the chance, you tried your best.

I totally believe you are making the right decision.
(((big hugs))) xx
 
DA you are absolutely right to let him go. Huge hugs. The people who sold him to you should be ashamed, even if they didn't know about this problem, the sale was recent enough that I would expect them to still feel a vested interest in what becomes of him!

We own a dog with neurological issues caused by birth trauma that have caused him to be blind. Sometimes his hearing and sense of smell will also temporarily shut down. When that happens, he acts as you have described, eyes roll up, stiffness and trembling, and yes he will bolt off in a perfectly straight line. The difference is he is a dog and can be kept on a lead, etc. Even so, we know that he may reach a point where his behaviour is not going to be manageable or his quality of life acceptable. When that happens, we will let him go.

Thinking of you, all the best and please stay safe until it has been done. Keep him stabled, give him plenty of hay and water and shut the top door. It would not surprise me if he would go over the lower door too if this occurred again whilst in the stable.
 
digitalangel said:
Thank you. waiting from the call back from the guy.. am now thinking sooner rather than better for him.. just WISH the bloody breeders would do the right thing. its such a waste.

As for rescue horse i would love one, but sadly most are not rideable, i did go to the Heros charity but they wanted more than 1k for most of those. That said i dont think i want something else straightaway im now very wary but will PM honetpot and see wether we can work something out. but for the moment i need to concentrate on this guy and make sure everything is done right.

Is it best to leave the others in the field for this i guess.
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I've been following your story and really feel for you. A brave decision.

Normal advice is that it's easier on the other horses if they see what's happening and get a chance to wander over and say goodbye. It depends on your setup though, do what works for you.

Did you see you are being offered a horse on the previous page? There are some very kind people on this forum. x
 
nodnod. thank you. dont want the sound to upset the others is all. yes i saw honetpots kind and generous offer and once everything has settled here i will be contacting her.
 
Hi So sorry for what you are going through, I can't even imagine. I understand if you don't wanna talk about it but what did the vet say regarding this behaviour, did he believe it was psycological?
 
digitalangel said:
Thank you. waiting from the call back from the guy.. am now thinking sooner rather than better for him.. just WISH the bloody breeders would do the right thing. its such a waste.

As for rescue horse i would love one, but sadly most are not rideable, i did go to the Heros charity but they wanted more than 1k for most of those. That said i dont think i want something else straightaway im now very wary but will PM honetpot and see wether we can work something out. but for the moment i need to concentrate on this guy and make sure everything is done right.

Is it best to leave the others in the field for this i guess.
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Well the breeders/dealers sound like gutless wonders that have passed on the problem for a quick buck.

I believe in Karma, you'll see yours for doing right by the horse and they will see theirs for acting like the brown stuff.
 
DA, I am not sure what you are planning, but for what it is worth, We had a very sick horse in the stable a couple of weeks ago. The vet came to do the dispatch, we couldn't get her out of the stable and she was vey upset if we tried to move the others, so we left them all exactly where they were, my very sensitive 2 year old bit the vet (he was that close) but not on them got upset by the bang, they just carried on eating there hay after a very minor interruption.
Hope that helps a little.
Hope it all goes with out any further problems. You have had a tough time.
 
ihatework said:
Well the breeders/dealers sound like gutless wonders that have passed on the problem for a quick buck.

I believe in Karma, you'll see yours for doing right by the horse and they will see theirs for acting like the brown stuff.
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I think this is spot on.
 
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