Update on medial suspensory branch injury N/H

applecart14 said:
Do you know what KS1 I don't really give a toss anymore!

Would you and your silly little cliquey friends like to go and give the administrators and shout and ask them to give me another infraction? I expect the word 'toss' can be interpreted and twisted to meet your needs if you try hard enough. Go on you can do it.

Maybe one day you will all grow up and stop treating this forum like a bitching platform and actually try to help people. I know its a concept that you will find hard to comprehend as you enjoy winding me up so much, but if you try really hard, somewhere in the depths of that thing that beats in your chest you might actually try to find some compassion, empathy and kindness.

Or maybe not.....
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I have never reported you or anyone else for that matter. I am simply pointing out that your outbursts are what leads you to get these infractions.
I am not in a clique either. I don't know anyone personally on this forum.
I have never called you a bitch or silly names such as 'muppet'. I am not bitching at you now.
I do however agree with some of the points other posters have made on past posts and this current one and have simply stated that fact & I don't agree with how you manage your horse, that's all.
 
One of mine appears quite set on amputating his own hind leg. Every time I start thinking about his future ridden career, he injures it again. And it's always the same leg too. Never quite bad enough to require surgery, but still bad enough to need the vet for yet another Bank Holiday callout resulting in yet more antibiotics and pain relief. I would like to ban all future Bank Holidays please. At least until he's healed up fully!

I might as well just book the vet now for May Day, hadn't I?
 
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Actually, do you know what really gets me? The fact that the livery who never seems to even look at the two they have in the field with mine never has any random injuries. Not that I want their horses to be hurt but it seems odd statistically.

<fellow livery if you recognise yourself, you need to book the farrier>
 
Arizahn said:
Actually, do you know what really gets me? The fact that the livery who never seems to even look at the two they have in the field with mine never has any random injuries. Not that I want their horses to be hurt but it seems odd statistically.

<fellow livery if you recognise yourself, you need to book the farrier>
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Y'know what really annoyed me this weekend. Spike, who without fail has required an emergency call out every Bank Holiday. This one, his first with his new person - nothing. Not so much as a bramble scratch...I'm livid!!
 
Auslander said:
Y'know what really annoyed me this weekend. Spike, who without fail has required an emergency call out every Bank Holiday. This one, his first with his new person - nothing. Not so much as a bramble scratch...I'm livid!!
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It's cos he's still under warranty...
 
Auslander said:
Y'know what really annoyed me this weekend. Spike, who without fail has required an emergency call out every Bank Holiday. This one, his first with his new person - nothing. Not so much as a bramble scratch...I'm livid!!
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Perhaps that's because she baths him, grooms him and he doesn't need to self harm to get attention or get away from Alf the Awesome . . . (runs and hides . . . ;).

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sorry OP, post counts, you have more than you think, mine is quite frankly ridiculous!

I trot everywhere I can because my pony walk so bloody slow!
 
Arizahn said:
Actually, do you know what really gets me? The fact that the livery who never seems to even look at the two they have in the field with mine never has any random injuries. Not that I want their horses to be hurt but it seems odd statistically.

<fellow livery if you recognise yourself, you need to book the farrier>
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you sure they just don't notice them? I do know what you mean though!
 
Really?

I can remember a couple more recently suggesting a bute trial for a horse with ulcers and being unhappy at other posters suggesting a vet would be required for a clearly uncomfortable horse rather than trying to diagnose spavins through computer.

https://forums-secure.horseandhound...Ideas-General-sympathy-!/page2&highlight=bute

https://forums-secure.horseandhound...dvice-Horse-with-bad-back-legs&highlight=bute

I'd also forgotten about the coffin joint disease, I do just find the list of Bailey's ailments written down like that (and I think you can now add another suspensory?) a bit scary/sad tbh and I don't think I am the only that feels that/thinks that if they had a horse with that least they would likely do things differently and I think you struggle to see why that may be which is why we end up with these extended threads. Reading back I am also curious about the 'denerving' aspect you talk about with the ethanol fusion and wonder how much that is responsible for the initial improvement shown in cases/whether nerve regrowth has any later effect.

applecart14 said:
You should speak to your vet. Bute might be the answer. My vet is realistic if nothing else. My horse is 15 and has for the past 8 years being taking me jumping every weekend as well as eventing, and lots of hacking on the roads and fun rides. He has bone spavin, a suspensory ligament injury and coffin joint disease as well as some slight kissing spine damage. He is fine at the moment as he is learning to stretch, has had the coffin joints medicated and his hocks fused. But every now and then he does have periods of 'shortness' or slight lameness which the vet has said to treat with bute until he's over it.
I don't see any problem with this, I myself live on co-codamol and other things, there is no reason why my horse doesn't have this. I give him bute prior to competing him on surfaces where I know he might struggle but he does not always require this, my last ten outings with him I've buted him only four times.
My vet is sensible, reasonable and says I have two choices. I can either retire him or work him, and give him bute as and when he requires it. I know which one I would prefer and I know which one my horse would prefer too.
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ester said:
Really?

I can remember a couple more recently suggesting a bute trial for a horse with ulcers and being unhappy at other posters suggesting a vet would be required for a clearly uncomfortable horse rather than trying to diagnose spavins through computer.

https://forums-secure.horseandhound...Ideas-General-sympathy-!/page2&highlight=bute

https://forums-secure.horseandhound...dvice-Horse-with-bad-back-legs&highlight=bute

I'd also forgotten about the coffin joint disease, I do just find the list of Bailey's ailments written down like that (and I think you can now add another suspensory?) a bit scary/sad tbh and I don't think I am the only that feels that/thinks that if they had a horse with that least they would likely do things differently and I think you struggle to see why that may be which is why we end up with these extended threads. Reading back I am also curious about the 'denerving' aspect you talk about with the ethanol fusion and wonder how much that is responsible for the initial improvement shown in cases/whether nerve regrowth has any later effect.
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I have to say I am suprised (or maybe not) by the comments from some of the posters on here who are clearly irate at this OP. Can you not tell the poster is a young person (possibly 12 years of age judging by their siggy), and are unsure of what to do? He/She has come on here seeking advice and are obviously not getting the advice they need from their peers at their yard. Lets have some patience with these youngsters!!!

Err, I think you will find this was my response to the second post and I quite clearly point out that IF it is spavin HE MAY need bute
I also say "see what your vet says"

Elkos 2002 - your horse has probably got a touch of spavin or something. His joints might just need a steroid injection and change of surface to ride on, or further down the line he may need further treatment (if it is bone spavin) with remedial shoeing, a decent joint supplement with MSM and/or bute or maybe even Tildren/fusion.

I doubt it will have anything to do with the cold. Yes horses may be a little stiffer with the cold but those are normally horses that already show signs of arthritis or have some other predisposing problem.

See what the vet says- he may want to arrange for a lameness workup which will be an in depth lunge and trot up on a hard surface session to see what he initially thinks before deciding whether to take x-rays to confirm his diagnosis.

Try not to worry too much, but its best to get a diagnosis if you can because then you can treat it properly and cost effectively. x
Read more at https://forums-secure.horseandhound...-with-bad-back-legs/page2#5hOQ74vYbtmePJal.99
 
vam said:
You best leave then....
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No I am not being driven off here by silly people who get a thrill from winding others up.Why should I?

But after this reply I will not be commenting further on this post as it is useless to try to reason with people hell bent on trying to cause as much destruction pain and upset as possible. These people should go back to the playground if they can't conduct themselves in a fair and kind manner.

And most horses have a list as long as their arm of problems but most people are not foolish enough to admit it but then when I put posts on I don't expected to be hunted down, intimidated and told I am unkind/cruel and that my horse should be pts. I don't really care what anyone think on here anymore because at the end of the day all I care about is my vets opinion.

My words have been changed to suit but what I was trying to impress upon about the ethanol was that it causes the pain inside the hock to go away immediately similar to the effect denerving would have. The horse still feels the hock outside but cannot feel pain inside. As the vet said the other day (two vets have now said the same) that the hock enthanol injections have no bearing whatsoever on the sprained suspensory branch. There are many people that are now having fusion with ethanol and are seeing very good results.

The reason Ester has pointed out my horse has so many problems and its so sad/scary is because she is interpreting it that way. I find that extremely patronising and very annoying. Most horses will show up problems on xrays. My horse had three steroid injections into his coffin joint in eleven years. Does that show you that my horse has moderate to severe arthritis in the coffin joints. I think not.

I only know about baileys problems because:

A) I have been proactive
B) I have spent a small fortune on diagnosis and treatment
C) I haven't done what people have said and PTS/retire
D) I have made an effort to get to the bottom of things

Thanks for mentioning the bute again, I wondered when that would be dragged up. You should be proud of yourself Ester. You really have shown yourself to be a nasty piece of work. I was going to send you a PM explaining somethign but I really don't feel I can be that bothered now.
 
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The horse might also have been crippled from anything and you were suggesting it might have spavin that you could treat with a bit of bute when it could have had something much much more serious.

and the bute to an ulcer horse?

I'm sorry but you requested examples several times, you can't think me nasty for pointing them out.

It is true that many horses will come up with changes on x-ray - but they have to be presenting with an issue for them to be x-rayed in the first instance. As I said you seem to have no understanding that people's thoughts on that list of ailments could be different to yours and that they are not going to change their minds however much you insist you are right whereas I cannot see how anyone can look at that list and not be concerned.
 
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Again Ester I did advise that she get the vet out. But wasn't as rude or patronising as the majority of the posters that answered her question.
I did say IT COULD BE SPAVIN.
I did not say IT WAS SPAVIN.
I was trying to help her, whislt everyone else was busy bitching at her.


ester said:
. I cannot see how anyone can look at that list and not be concerned.
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A) its none of your business
b) the vet isn't 'concerned' so why are you?
c) the advice from the vet is appropriate to his needs and his history - of which none of you really are qualified to speak about , lets face it.


Sorry Ester had enough now.
 
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And to suggest that others don't have that sort of list for their own horses because they just haven't looked hard enough is bizarre IMO. I own a happy working 22 year old, he has had a coffin joint DJD diagnosis but sound since barefoot and some stiffness to the left hind which is managed with regular physio as not lame enough to block.

To be in your situation you have to have things that you need to get to the bottom of, which is just not a situation I have been in to that degree with either mine or Mum's mare.

If you've had enough, and cannot respond to my simple queries about where I have pulled you up just leave it, I truely believe most on here say what they do to try to be helpful to either the OP or just as importantly others reading the thread (a bit like warning of those that take on free to good homes to sell on another recent thread).
 
I think the thing many of us have been trying to get across to you is that you are treating the symptoms but not the under lying cause and you seem to have no intention of allowing Bailey to have a quieter life. I am not suggesting you don&#8217;t exercise him but you appear to do an awful lot with an older horse who has a multitude of injuries and degenerative issues and this simply creates more problems for him along the line. He&#8217;s barely over one injury before the next occurs. And this is what causes people to question your management. My horse suffered an injury that meant I had to change his long term management and it has been very effective. But you don&#8217;t appear to be doing anything to help Bailey. You can spend all the money you like on diagnosis, treatment, fancy ice boots, but if you don&#8217;t look at the overall picture then you are not going to effect any long term change for him.

You are right, it is none of our business how you manage your horse. BUT, when you put something onto a public forum, whether you like it or not, you will inevitably attract comment, some of which you may not like. The simple way to avoid this is to not post your personal business.

As for people winding you up, you seem to do a good job of this yourself and your aggressive retorts are just unnecessary. You win no friends or sympathy with this sort of behaviour and the minute you start calling people bitches or muppets you lose any moral high ground you might have had.
 
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