Update on pony being pts

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Partially because I'm tired of people PMing me when I've made it clear the pony isn't mine. Having a go at me isn't going to change anything
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Two dealers who take on ponies from the sales and bring them on have been to see him. Both have said they aren't willing to work with him. The one I've known for years and I've got a lot of respect for her, the other one YO has known forever.

The final set of bloods have come back - the vet has said they're normal. He was looking for a high level of testosterone (sp) I think. He helped delivery the pony and has been his vet for the past 5 years, he's known YO for years and gives it to her straight. When the pony was cut everything was taken out - I asked YO if she was sure and she said the vet pretty much showed her everything that came out
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She's making her mind up over the next few days. She's had him since he was born so it isn't an easy decision but she's given him 5 years and he's an aggressive and tbh dangerous little sod. There is a danger a pony of his size will be drugged and sold as a kids pony - if a child walked into his stable I have no doubt he would double barrell them. He cornered YOs son last year and kicked him four times before A could escape - all he was doing was getting the water bucket from the field.
 
Probably a silly question but what's the pony like if turned out 24/7? Does he improve if lunged/worked hard every day?

My mare is a cow at times, she will kick and is very marish but she improves no end when she is worked.

I didn't read all of the origional thread so sorry of this has already been covered.
 
Sorry if this has been tried/sugested or is compleatly off the mark but i havn't seen any of your posts re this.
But is the pony riggy?
My new pony was very riggy and quite agressive so i was told to put him on rigcalm. It is amazing stuff it's so strong you can't give it to breeding stallions.
Sorry just a thought. Hope it is of some help though.
 
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Probably a silly question but what's the pony like if turned out 24/7? Does he improve if lunged/worked hard every day?

My mare is a cow at times, she will kick and is very marish but she improves no end when she is worked.

I didn't read all of the origional thread so sorry of this has already been covered.

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He's the same whether he's out, in or a combination of both. When he's out he wrecks fences, chews the other horses rugs and can only go out with horses bigger than him or he gets v aggressive (tho he's ok when he goes out with him mum
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When he's worked he throws himself on teh ground so she can't get a saddle or a rider on him.
 
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If the animal is dangerous then I agree with the decision to PTS, there is obviously something wrong with the 'wiring' it happens sometimes
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We had a mare who was very food intolerant (sugar and cereal) and very dangerous. She was lucky we discovered the cause of the problem days before she was PTS. We had decided that people came before her, we were lucky that she hadn't damaged anyone too much before we worked it out. She was going before she did. Hard decision but the right one.
 
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Sorry if this has been tried/sugested or is compleatly off the mark but i havn't seen any of your posts re this.
But is the pony riggy?
My new pony was very riggy and quite agressive so i was told to put him on rigcalm. It is amazing stuff it's so strong you can't give it to breeding stallions.
Sorry just a thought. Hope it is of some help though.

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The blood tests came back ok - I'm assuming this would have shown up tho I don't know. The vet is certain everything came out. He doesn't try and mount mares at all - he was cut early tho because he kept trying to mount his mum.
 
Thanks YG - it isn't easy
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When he's being nice he's lovely but when he turns he's evil
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YO broke her back a couple of years ago so she has to be careful about being kicked etc and there are so many ponies out there that he'll just get passed around and probably abused
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I totally agree with this pony being PTS, something somewhere is not right, horses live for today not for tomorrow, he will not know what is happening, the risk of a pony seriously hurting a child is not worth thinking about.

A sad but brave decision, and I normally take on these no hope cases but he sounds to set in his ways, or something is causing this behaviour, his future will be secured at the very least.
 
ok sorry. My boy wasn't cut till he was 7 everything out but he still thinks he's a stallion.
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I hope your yo finds him a home. There are people out there who take on problem ponies. Sadly i don't have room for anymore
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or i'd give him a home.
I saw on the other thread someone sugested project horses as a place to advertise. That is realy worth it you can be honest about the horse and people who look are genuinly looking for problem horses.
As for the nasty PM's everyone should be ashamed of themselves. You only posted to ask for advice and it's not even your pony.
 
The problem with rehoming him is he has a very uncertain future. YO bought his mum on faith from a family friend - she was advertised as a childs pony. It turned out she was just off the mountain, wild, in foal and drugged up
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Luckily she's a sweetie - I liked her so much I bought her lol
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He also scratches like mad so he has to be rugged to the eyeballs (literally) 24/7 or he rubs himself until he bleeds. The skin scrapings etc came back clear so they don't think its sweetitch. Allergy tests came back negative too. There are so many negatives against him
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Having owned a similar type horse and seeing where it ended up I would PTS if I couldn't find a good home.
I saved a horse from the meat man in Germany, he had become aggresive, I spent a few years re-abilitating him and although he was much better the aggresiveness was still lurking. I sold him with a long loan period and told the loaner EXACTLY what he was like, she bought him and 4 years later I tried to find out how he was getting on. She had loaned him to a really bad riding school where he was worked into the ground and stick thin.
I managed to buy him back and he is currently living out with my broodmares.
He wont think twice about kicking you in the head and if I wasn't in the position to keep him he would def be pts.
Horses like this end up in bad homes, it is kinder to pts.
 
Poor little fella
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My heart says you shouldn't put him down but my head says imafluffybunny is right.
Herbie is 8 and i'm his 6th owner. His last owner was duped when she bought him and has made his problems worse
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. He was lucky i found him or i think he would have ended up being shoved from piller to post for the rest of his life or worse
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I hope the yo makes the right choice for this pony and he has a secure future. Whatever that may be. Sorry i can't be of anymore help.
 
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He also scratches like mad so he has to be rugged to the eyeballs (literally) 24/7 or he rubs himself until he bleeds. The skin scrapings etc came back clear so they don't think its sweetitch. Allergy tests came back negative too. There are so many negatives against him
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Whilst I agree that pts could well be the answer, rather than this pony being passed from pillar to post, possibly seriously injuring/killing someone on the way, I wouldn't set too much store by the allergy tests. I am allergic to milk, it gives me eczema (amongst other things). I had a blood test done at my local hospital, it came back negative. It was only much later when I saw an allergy specialist at an allergy clinic that any test was positive. If your YO is still looking for an alternative to pts, I would try to pinpoint the cause of this skin/itching problem. I have to say my allergies can make me very irritable when they are uncontrolled (although I have never kicked anyone!)
 
I've read through the other post and feel that instead of judging we should be offering constructive opinions!

Seriously though, I know it's not the same but if a dog had similar behaviour to the pony no one would be against it being PTS. I am a firm believer of the best interests of the animal being put first and obviously resorting to the PTS option after everything else has been exhausted (as it sounds like it has).
 
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I've read through the other post and feel that instead of judging we should be offering constructive opinions!

Seriously though, I know it's not the same but if a dog had similar behaviour to the pony no one would be against it being PTS. I am a firm believer of the best interests of the animal being put first and obviously resorting to the PTS option after everything else has been exhausted (as it sounds like it has).

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Have to say I agree with this sentiment.

It is safer for all concerned for the pony to be PTS.
 
I have said it before and will say it again, I don't believe any horse is purely nasty or evil they don't think that way. Aggressive, dominant yes but not evil or vindictive. This does seem an extreme case and shame the vet hasn't been able to pinpoint a reason and advise if curable or not.

I thought for a rig test they tested the levels of oestrogen though?? May be wrong, i thought it'd be testosterone as you would but I had my pony tested due to his riggy behaviour and apparently they test for oestrogen levels.

Anyway, that's by the by - I feel very sorry for this little chap as I always think there's a reason for aggressive behaviour and I would be inclined to think the itchiness has something to do with it. Sounds like the pony is in a degree of discomfort and I would imagine this makes him very irritable. Makes you wonder if they is also something going on internally that is causing more pain/discomfort. I appreciate though there is not unlimited amounts of money or i would suggest some allergy tests too. I hear some ponies are allergic to basically everything - grass, pollen etc etc which being a pony isn't exactly ideal and, if this was the case then i do think PTS is the better option or this pony is likely to live in discomfort and be unhappy throughout its life.

I guess you have to put yourself in its shoes - imagine your skin being constantly itchy/on fire its enough to make anyone irrtable and having tack or people put on you would only make it worse.

Poor pony and poor owner, not a nice decision to have to be faced with when, on the face of it you see a young, healthy pony.
 
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I have said it before and will say it again, I don't believe any horse is purely nasty or evil they don't think that way. Aggressive, dominant yes but not evil or vindictive. This does seem an extreme case and shame the vet hasn't been able to pinpoint a reason and advise if curable or not.

I thought for a rig test they tested the levels of oestrogen though?? May be wrong, i thought it'd be testosterone as you would but I had my pony tested due to his riggy behaviour and apparently they test for oestrogen levels.

Anyway, that's by the by - I feel very sorry for this little chap as I always think there's a reason for aggressive behaviour and I would be inclined to think the itchiness has something to do with it. Sounds like the pony is in a degree of discomfort and I would imagine this makes him very irritable. Makes you wonder if they is also something going on internally that is causing more pain/discomfort. I appreciate though there is not unlimited amounts of money or i would suggest some allergy tests too. I hear some ponies are allergic to basically everything - grass, pollen etc etc which being a pony isn't exactly ideal and, if this was the case then i do think PTS is the better option or this pony is likely to live in discomfort and be unhappy throughout its life.

I guess you have to put yourself in its shoes - imagine your skin being constantly itchy/on fire its enough to make anyone irrtable and having tack or people put on you would only make it worse.

Poor pony and poor owner, not a nice decision to have to be faced with when, on the face of it you see a young, healthy pony.

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Complety agree with this. There is always a reason behide why they do things.
 
only you (or the YO) know this pony the best. If you truly believe that he is what he is and nothing is going to change his behaviour and that you have ruled out other causes or that you can guarantee him a life where he will be treated with regard to his issues - no children around etc then PTS is the safest option, not the most perfect but he is going to hurt some unwitting person very soon. He is obviously isnt too much of a happy bunny himself to behave like that and as somoeone said, underlying pain etc?? IMO his future could be very bleak

FWIW Dogs are by law put to sleep if they are dangerous however healthy etc, arent they? (sorry I might have this wrong)
 
You are doing all the right things.....don't let anyone say otherwise. I recently had one PTS after looking after him for 3 months,for various reasons noone wanted him,although a sweet boy. He had lameness issues and had been passed from piller to post the last few years.

You are totally correct in this pony may be passed on to unsuitable homes,unfit for purpose. It is 100% the correct decision to PTS. Fairer on him in the long run.

Good luck. X
 
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