Update on the bucker

[flowerlady]

If you manage to get it going in some sort of normality what then?

Are the owners going to ride it?

Or sell it on to some unsuspecting person?

Then if it causes an accident could you forgive yourself for bringing it to a certain level they felt comfortable with?

Is this where you get your name from MADHECTOR??

 

[wizzi901]

Just read through this and noticed in this part MH you mention she wanted you to school it?

Is it ok hacking?

I only mention it as we had ex pointer (recently sold to lovely home with full history given to new owner) who had a bucking issue...but only when schooled or asked for anything where it had to put in a little effort.

Hacking he was fine, always, if not a little on his toes at times. He has gone to a hacking home and new owner not had ANY issues with him.

Another horse who was complete softy in all ways, back, teeth, osteopath came out, god we looked at everything.

The horse just didnt want to make the effort, he could do things but didnt want to!

I know for sure if he went schooling again however shorter period of time, he would buck like mad and I mean BUCK! new owner was told this and promised she would never school him!

Some horses just dont want any pressure, and their techniques are honed to perfection. They may stop it with you but if you ever move them on, its just going to reopen it all again.

I dont think its a pain issue, it could be mental issue or just plain cant be bothered issue!

I wouldnt risk my neck to be honest, hence we kept our chap just sold as a happy hacker although he did do a brief stint at dressage and just about coped!

Send it back to her and if it hacks ok tell her just to chill it out!

 

[madhector]

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If you manage to get it going in some sort of normality what then?

Are the owners going to ride it?

Or sell it on to some unsuspecting person?

Then if it causes an accident could you forgive yourself for bringing it to a certain level they felt comfortable with?

Is this where you get your name from MADHECTOR??

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WTF?!

So in trying to work on a difficult horse I am being irresponsible?! All I do is try and help the horse, by doing my best to work out what is wrong, then fix it if I can, if the owner wants to ride it again then that is their choice, not mine, I would do my best to get the horse going as well as I possibly can. That is what I do

 

[madhector]

I have hacked it a few times and had no problems at all. However both times it bucked her off were out hacking aparently.

 

[madhector]

I do feel like I can help him, and we go well together most of the time. He is very intelligent, and reminds me of J alot of the time, I admire him in a way as he is so clever. But then there is this dangerous streak (which J has too I suppose)

I ride alot of different horses, and most of the time I do my job and thats it. But this one has me awake at night, trying to work out what is making him tick.

 

[PapaFrita]

OK, now in certain ways this sounds like Antifaz when I first met him. When I first started riding him, he was marvellous, then he turned mean and started to buck, really knocked my self-confidence, not least when his hind hoof clipped my head as I hit the deck once (yes, I was wearing a hat) He also rushed fences and was a barsteward to stop! I knew he'd been beaten, and since then I've also found out that he was pushed too hard and too fast as a baby (he's still only just 8 and I've known him for 3 years) jumping 4ft tracks. I had him checked by the vet, who could find nothing wrong with him. I very nearly gave up. Instead, I spent more time with him on the ground gaining his trust and playing around with tiddly jumps and courses. I got good at predicting when he was going to buck, and used to put him on a smaller circle so he couldn't. Eventually, he became less defensive and now he's lovely and I adore him, but I can see him get wound up when someone else rides him and tries to 'bully' him...
Also He's very spooky around his head, will not tolerate a whip, and can get very nervous when being rugged and unrugged, but is totally unflappable around jumps, etc.
I understand why you don't want to give up on this horse, but you really have to assess whether you can work through his hang ups or whether you should give up... Loads of people thought I should give up on A, and yet here I am ...

I'd love to hear how you get on!

 

[Blizzard]

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I ride alot of different horses, and most of the time I do my job and thats it. But this one has me awake at night, trying to work out what is making him tick.

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Dont you be thinking about buying him lol!

 

[madhector]

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I ride alot of different horses, and most of the time I do my job and thats it. But this one has me awake at night, trying to work out what is making him tick.

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Dont you be thinking about buying him lol!

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lol! You know me too well

 

[Blizzard]

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I ride alot of different horses, and most of the time I do my job and thats it. But this one has me awake at night, trying to work out what is making him tick.

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Dont you be thinking about buying him lol!

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lol! You know me too well

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STEP AWAY FROM THE HORSE!

 

[madhector]

I couldnt afford him if he was behaving!

Anyway, got new girl arriving in a couple of weeks, so unless someone wants to build me a couple of extra stables I have no more room, although the youngsters go out 24/7 soon...

 

[Blizzard]

LOL stop plotting!

 

[madhector]

Actually it would be a way of fixing the situation, but I think I have enough to deal with at home with J and his issues, and if he did end up unrideable I cannot afford to keep a field ornament so not worth the risk


See I can be sensible

 

[madhector]

Will try the pillows, I thought some material flapping might be worth trying as he isn't funny about my leg at all, but rugs are definitely scary. Very strange that he is absolutely fine to have them put on, just panics when you take them off though..

 

[jes_nibley]

Just a brief random thought on the rugs. My wee boy used to freak when I took his rugs off. It turned out to be static, if it was quiet and you listened very carefully you could hear it.

I'm not sure how that would connect to the bucking fits or kicking out in anyway but thought I would add my two pennies.

If he's keeping you awake trying to work him out and you like him then keep at it so long as he's not too dangerous with it.

Best of luck and keep us posted.

 

[xspiralx]

Obviously at the end of the day MH its your choice as to whether to risk it or not, however as has been said, it doesn't seem like this horse is bad, more as though its some kind of remembered pain or fear.

As you've ridden him now and worked out when he's about to go so you can stop him, I think it would be very interesting to continue working with him for a while to try and figure out what the problem is. It could be as simple as working him through it, as obviously when he's done it before, people have just given up.

Good luck, keep us updated! x

 

[madhector]

That is very interesting! Would explain why it didnt bother him to put them on. maybe a rug made of a natural material might be better (like jute or a old style NZ)

 

[madhector]

See that was exactly my thought, what if it is just a case of riding him through it, it worked the first time I came off, (did take ages mind) and he has been better since.