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[Dizzydusty]

Just found a Hungarian website regarding Lipizzaner Private Breeders Association in Szilvasvard (sp) and if you go to it their Logo appears to be stag horns with 'L' in the middle - looks fairly similar to samandcasper photos of branding.

www.lipicailo.hu

Sorry if the earlier website does not go directly to correct intended site.

Have a click on the breeding page, (go in through google and you can opt to translate), right at the bottom is an image of a diagram with brands and stuff on it, the one on the bottom right hand side looks likes caspers to me.

Ive translated (thanks google) what it means -

L - the purebread lipizzaner

94 (this I would imagine be the same for caspers number) - the colt known szul
First names
two digits
pitched at the right

(I typed this into the translator exactly as it was shown in the diagram)

click on the link at the bottom and it then brings up stallion (father) branding and mare branding

How exciting....

Dizzy

 

[tinap]

Gosh, the brand does look very much like the logo! I keep checking back on this thread to see if there's any new leads! Fingers crossed! xx

 

[samandcasper]

hello everyone so sorry i havent replied sooner i dont get emails to say people have commented and have 3 weeks left till i give birth so had few hos and doc apps and not been on for a while, again debbie thank you very much ... the lady i had spoke to hasnt bothered mesaging me back so im thinking it was someone bored ans just getting my hopes up??? i need to get off comp now as cant sit here for long due to the fat belly and the worst back ache ever lol so i will pop back on later and see what i can have a look up on, i did click a link from here but it came up in a diff language and i couldnt find to translate it, thanks for everyones else comments to, will try get a recent pic of my handsome baby here to....

also another bit of good news the horse i sold (rocky the standaredbred i had for 4 years) to allow me to buy casper, and think i made a post on her about him when his young owner abused him bad and a lovely lady rescued him as young girl signed him over to her, well i went to pick him up on the 24th august as the lady who took him on lost her yard and gave him back to me <3 so casper now has a new friend to meet when i have had my baby and i get casper back from his loaner will upload a pic of my rocky boy aswell xx

 

[DebbieCG]

Best wishes for your forthcoming event, samandcasper! You obviously have your hands full at the moment : ).

In trying to help your efforts, I've contacted a top person at one of the UK's Lipizzaner Associations and they kindly confirmed what Horsedream (the German and European based equine establishment) also thought, that Casper's branding is a Lipizzaner brand and is a Szilvasvarad brand but this UK person also confirmed that some people have copied these brands. However, they are kindly trying to trace the numbers and will be contact, so I will post any info I receive on here in due course.

I have also emailed the Hungarian Private Breeders Association with Caspers branding detiails but haven't heard from them as yet. Will post details if they do reply.

Hopefully we forum members can help you in the meantime, while you are so busy!

 

[samandcasper]

thank you i'll make sure i get a pic of baby on here lol

and again i really really apprecitate all ur doing for me debbie thank you very much, xx

 

[Hells Bells]

I think a lot can be said for the people here on the forum. It's so refreshing to see how helpful and kind everyone is. I've only just joined a few weeks ago, but I think its so lovely how everyone helps one another!

Sam, I have been reading this thread and I wish you all the best for the birth of your baby, and give lots of hugs to Casper for me too! What a lucky boy he is to have found you!

xx

 

[samandcasper]

its been very very helpfull this site and all the people heping me and from the bottom of my heart i really apprecitate it and thank you i had my baby on the 8th october a day before my other sons birthday , casper is my baby hes deffo got a forever home with me, there is only 1 person i would let him go to be sold if things ever went wrong and that is his lovely family that loans him i could have asked for a better lot of people caring and loving him, will have a little update on here soon everyone xx

 

[tinap]

Big congratulations!!!!

 

[DebbieCG]

Hi Sam

Hope all's going well. I've tried to send you email but not sure if it's your current one, so just wanted to let you know I've now heard from the top contact person at one of the British Lipizzaner Associations and she appears to have traced details! They couldn't confirm this to me though as I am not the current owner, so have asked if you can contact them. I have listed the contact details in my private email to you, so if you don't have access to that I can pm you here with contact details.

I really hope it is the correct trace they have made - (but please don't get hopes too high until you have received and verified the details etc), but I do hope so!

Best wishes, Debbie

 

[DebbieCG]

Also just to mention, the British Lipizanner contact had previously mentioned a possible 'Siglavy' line, when I initially enquired about Casper's type of brand, but wasn't confirmed at the time, as they were just about to try and trace Casper's branding details.

In the meantime, I hope it's ok to put this short You Tube film on about the Hungarian National Lipizanner stud farm in Szilvasvarad.

Anyway, hope Sam sees my above message very soon!

Not sure if the link will work but here goes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxyc1e0xhi8

 

[DebbieCG]

Looks like you have to copy the link first, then click on the initial link above, paste it into You Tube browser and a few items come up and the Hungarian Lipizanner film is about 5th or 6th film down.

 

[DebbieCG]

Hope Sam sees message above soon.

Think this link should work now (rather nice short film of the Hungarian Lipizzaner stud farm:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxyC1E0xHI8

 

[kim s]

hi samand casper just wanted to saywhat a lovely job you have done with your boy he s looking super.the freeze mark is definatly loss of use for some reasons greys get whiter an the top an bottom round of the circle have blended its no problem tho get your vet to do a good check over him an c what he is ablen not able to do all the best xx&#9787;

 

[DebbieCG]

Kim, not sure if you've read the most recent comments, but Casper's branding looks like it may well be that of a Hungarian Lipizzaner and in fact I am trying to let Sam know that a top person at one of the British Lipizzaner Associations would like Sam to contact them as I think they have made a trace on the numbers and branding of Casper. So far this expert has not given reason to think the branding is for loss of use.

I agree that Casper looks really well and Sam is doing a great job with him. I think Sam's reasons for trying to trace his history are very valid as she would like to know his true age and what he has done and therefore what he is able to do in his best interests. He's a lucky boy to have found such a caring home.

 

[samandcasper]

thank you tina, and sorry again debbie i know i have spoke to u throught facebook and email just keep forgetting bout this lol xx ITS NOT LOSS OF USE!! the vet has checked the brand all ready and casper and has found nothing wrong with him, but thanks for ur nice comment xx

 

[ter21wat]

Hi there,

Just read this whole post with great interest and hoped at the end samandcasper would have gained some more information on the lovely casper...but it seems to have just stopped? Did samandcasper ever get in touch with the British Lipizzaner Society? Hows casper doing now, had a quick look on the FB page but no recent photos, hope alls well with him x

 

[DebbieCG]

I don't think Sam will mind me mentioning that she has been in touch with the Lippizzsner Association but I think it's a fairly long-winded procedure.

I'll try and send Sam an FB message to see if she can confirm anything yet.

From what I could see, Casper looked great in some recent photos.

 

[ter21wat]

Ah thats good, hopefully they will be able to find out something about him for her...im intrigued now too lol, thats why i thought i would post to see if there was any update in the last couple of months From the pics on here Sam has done an amazing job getting him back to health so whatever happens at least his story has a happy ending and he has found a lovely forever home x

 

[samandcasper]

hi again all, i know i had said i wouldnt EVER part with casper, but im so ashamed to say that casper isnt my boy anymore, he has gone to a family who do weddings with lippizzana horses, not to far up the road from me, i swapped him with my friend so now i have a wizzy stuning little 14.2 pony called billy, and my friend sold casper to the ppl who have him now and they have lipps so will know loads about them ect, and it turns out hes a bloody pro at driving as had been drove all ready, i loved casper so much he was a amazing horse BUT me and him never clicked, i wanted what he couldnt offer (as now its obvis hes a driving horse) and he never felt like mine and from wht i felt he never looked at me as his owner :'( the ppl have traced him back to hungay from his brands from what ive heard from my friend that i swapped him with, im in contact with them so will deffo keep this post updated still... sorry for the let down ppl but i see it as i saved him from where he was,i had a amazing 3 years with him and now hes back doing what he loves <3 i'll never forget him, but with what happend with my previous horse i vowed to never let a horse of mine suffer again just to keep me happy, as cut long stroy short, i sold a previous horse as we werent suited and it took 2 years to sell him so i took the 1st person whon wnted him and they abused him badly so to stop this happening i let him go whn i realised we werent suited xx THANKS FOR EVERYONES HELP AND COMMENTS IT MENT ALOT XXXX

 

[dingle12]

Did u find out how old he was and his history?

Debbie did a fantastic job helping you x

 

[samandcasper]

I had the vet out just before he went and he was 11-12 I think it was (quite a while ago now) and yes she sure did what an amazing lady and a great help witch I cannot thank you enough, Casper is now named solly and still going amazing an well loved and cared for, THANK YOU ALL so much for ur comment help and advice actually ment alot xxxxx

 

[Penny Eater]

Not the ending I was expecting! Horses change hands like pound coins, reminds me of poor old black beauty. Least he didn't end up back at the dealers...

 

[Tiarella]

Well that was a disapointing ending.... I dont particulary get on with my horse all the time but I dont just sack him off.

 

[StarcatcherWilliam]

Well that was a disapointing ending.... I dont particulary get on with my horse all the time but I dont just sack him off.

Agree with this! Very disappointed and feel really sad for the horse!

 

[FinkleyGladiator]

I cant believe I just read this whole thread for such a rubbish ending....boo!

 

[samandcasper]

You don't know the full story, so don't dare turn on me for parting with Casper he wasn't happy and neither was I, for the 3 years it was a struggle to bond with him witch I have learnt that lips need to be with there breed, Casper is no longer nervous and drives weddings and funeral carrages for pegsus horse and carriage masters one of the biggest horse carriage company's in England! Hes thriving, so for me just to have him grazing in my field vein ridden every now and again (as I'm more for caring feeding grooming ect) than ride ride rise so I'm sorry if this post has let you down but if u knew the full story of the then now and after I think u would undrstand hes far better off!!

 

[LadyRascasse]

You don't know the full story, so don't dare turn on me for parting with Casper he wasn't happy and neither was I, for the 3 years it was a struggle to bond with him witch I have learnt that lips need to be with there breed, Casper is no longer nervous and drives weddings and funeral carrages for pegsus horse and carriage masters one of the biggest horse carriage company's in England! Hes thriving, so for me just to have him grazing in my field vein ridden every now and again (as I'm more for caring feeding grooming ect) than ride ride rise so I'm sorry if this post has let you down but if u knew the full story of the then now and after I think u would undrstand hes far better off!!

Here here, you know where he is and that he is happy and well cared for. I can't see the problem really. They are very expensive pets so if you can both have a happier life separately then I can't see a problem with that. Life's not a fairytale!!

 

[Luci07]

Here here, you know where he is and that he is happy and well cared for. I can't see the problem really. They are very expensive pets so if you can both have a happier life separately then I can't see a problem with that. Life's not a fairytale!!

And if you had not taken him on and given him the chances you did, he would now be in this home.

 

[Gryfiss]

TBH Its taken me forever to read this thread and felt I need to comment, yes horses do get moved on but the whole sob story about he will never be moved on, I love him he's the best thing since life's bread to we never clicked from the start is so ex-steam and a load of crap.

On the other hand i'm amazed at the lenghth HH went to help out amazing

 

[Penny Eater]

^ Totally agree.
I don't think the ending would have come as such a disappointment to readers if you hadn't gushed so much about (and i quote) how much you loved him, how loving he was, how perfect, the horse in a million, home for life etc etc...
Good he's got a nice home now, but what happens when he's too old and crock-looking to pull their carriages for them?! He looked like he was in his early 20s when you started the thread.