US may have come to it's senses! Possible new slaughterhouse to open

I was against horse slaughter when I was a few years younger (I'm 21 now) but then I found out its the live transportation that is the real cruelty. My friends in America tell me about the abandoned horses and im old/mature enough now to realise that slaughterhouses are needed. MB will realise that when she grows up to. And im sure if her mother knew the whole picture and how horses lives have got worse in American because of the ban then she'd agree with it too.

Yes I wish people wouldnt abandon their horses and would treat them as great as they deserve but this is the real world and that doesnt happen at the moment.

Personally I dont think MB should have commented on something she didnt know the whole picture about. And if she didnt want to see the horrible you tube videos then she shouldnt have played it.
 
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Oh I understand perfectly,

Horse slaughter=inhumane and cruel.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING - ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PUT HORSES THAT ARE BRED FOR MEAT INTO REHABILITATION AND REHOMING CENTRES, AND THEY CAN MAKE MEAT BREEDERS ILLEGAL!!

ALSO TRANSPORTING THEM TO MEXICO AND SURROUNDING COUNTRIES SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL.

But we all know that this lies in the hands of Mr O.

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Oh what an amazing idea! Why had nobody thought to enforce that simple solution before?
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Most of the horses in America that have gone to slaughter were not BRED for meat.

So after we send them all to these rehoming places ( of which there are NOWHERE near enough of
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A sweet idea and thoughtful but not practical in reality.
 
Melanie, I'm sure everyone on here loves horses as much as you chick, everyone has their best interests at heart. As hard as it is to accept, its far better for an unwanted horse to be slaughtered quickly and humanely than mistreated or left in a field to starve
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Another new member who comes on here and judge, telling others they don't love horses unless they believe the way she believes.
And of course not being able to argue for her cause without screaming, IF somebody wants to highlight more than one or a few word, why is it so difficult to learn how to make text bold?



Every year many worms is killed by farmers while harrowing their field so they can grow the crop that might be used to feed humans, many insects is killed by the anti weed stuff that some farmers use etc. But the Swedes I've heard expressing similar views as somebody on this thread, have explained why killing worms is okay but not cows with f. ex. that non thinking animals doesn't count or that they only count mammals...
In fact as I understand it, every time you shower you kill a number of living organisms, but obviously they doesn't count either.




If it should be illegal to breed horses for meat, why not make it illegal to eat horses? Well I presume that if it becomes illegal to breed cows and pigs for meat, I will just have to re-train my dogs from hunting being a No No and instead not only hunt down but also kill wild roe-deers, rabbits and such themselves, although personally I find that possible future rather inhumane and cruel.


If it feels cruel to watch a Nature documentary and see a zebra fighting for it's life with one or two lions hanging from it, does that mean that it feels okay to watch lions starve?
I don't know about others but personally I feel sorry for both the zebra (possibly becoming lion food) and the lion (possibly not getting any food). To me there's things in life that is not either right or wrong, without complex...


Honestly I do sometimes feel sorry for killing the carrots I grow in my garden some years. I don't believe they're thinking but they do live, in a carrot sort of way of life.



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Mel (and Mel's mum) yes the videos are awful but they are the reality of what happened when the US Slaughterhouses were banned. Reopening new ones in the US will hopefully prevent this sort of thing happening. To imagine that all the horses will be put in caring rescue homes is naive, it will never happen so surely a short trip and humane death are preferable.
 
No-one really wants slaughter but it is by FAR the lesser of evils. All slaughter is wrong if it is done inhumanely or transported incorrectly regardless of animal. But most of us know, the indescriminate breeders are really to blame, especially in america. Breeding meat horses for purpose is a whole different thing. Anyone remember the F word when janet street porter went to a reputable horse meat farm? The horses were handled and had great lives. Better than being solf from pillar to post , badly cared for then end up at the bottom of the heap and a auction then transported for 6 days accross the continent.

The forum is great, but they are one of the quickest to jump on those who have their facts muddled but imho I'd rather have that than it be a sanitized, highly moderated, fluffy bunny hugging one. You get great advice and I've learn't a lot.
 
Is a slaughter house to destroy horses for meat only, or to destroy all horses requiring destruction? Maybe those who are ill or injured? I believe this is one of the most important issues here. This, apart from the distress caused by long haul journeys to the same end, regardless of if for meat or not.

I for one am glad that new slaugher houses may be opened, and the more the better.
I do not eat horsemeat, but have no issues with anybody else doing so.

I'm sorry your daughter was so upset Mrs W. She is accessing a forum board open to all ages. If you are concerned, maybe you should control what she is allowed to access and view.
 
Well said Ezme. I for one will be very happy to hear that some slaughter houses have been opened in the US for all the reasons already expressed.
 
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Horse slaughter is wrong and always will be wrong

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It is not often I get really angry, but how can anyone make such a sweeping statement - as a parent? What do you think should happen to the old, ill or unwanted horses? They should be turned loose to fend for themselves? Please, be logical and act like the parent you claim to be. Horses, like any animal, have to be slaughtered from time to time. Call it what you like - being put to sleep, being sent to heaven - it happens. And when American stopped the humane slaughter of horses, thousands were shipped all the way to Mexico, where slaughter is allowed. Sadly, there is no humanity in it, with horses' spines being severed to prevent them moving, then the horses brutally killed whilst fully conscious and aware. How is that kinder than a humane slaughter in the US, closer to home?: If people come on to this forum totally ignorant of the facts, and start ranting at people who actually understand the situation, they will be educated as to what we are actually discussing. This is not a forum where ignorance of the facts is applauded.
 
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This is Mel's mum here, and my daughter is a bit upset over what you have asked her to watch. She has a straight opinion and you cannot change it. You've upset her on a massive scale.

Horse slaughter is wrong and always will be wrong, you say to her watch a video that from the play button made her burst into tears. Please whoever posted that stop it, shes made her point and maybe you want horses to be slaughterd for their own good I dont know. Horses have done nothing but amaze us from the word go, they do not and never will deserve to be slaughterd for meat. Im not arguing as that would be childish it upsets me to see grown woman asking a teenage to watch a video that you know may make her be sick, you sit their and watch it, you took the time to search it.

Maybe we deserve to be slaughtered, let ourselves know what monsters we've become.

I DO NOT, want arguments and rude and cruel comments made to me.

Thank you

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i suggest your Daughter gets into the REAL world Mrs W..
Maybe you can hold her delicate little hand, eh?

 
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i suggest your Daughter gets into the REAL world Mrs W..
Maybe you can hold her delicate little hand, eh?



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How can she do that when she does not even appear to be in the real world herself?
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not sure I can cope with peoples' ill-informed mothers appearing.

At least USA are poss doing something though

Finnish Laphund I am glad someone else is thinking of the insects and worms etc (you missed bacteria and viruses!) I posted about that the other day. I have never understood why no one ever questions it cos they are not cute and fluffy, double standards
 
Mel's mum - Good on You! For defending your daughter, I would have done same for mine, regardless of whether she was right or wrong, cos thats what mums do
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As for slaughter I too lived in blissful ignorance as to the horrors that these horses face at slaughter houses in places like Mexico, didn't watch the video dont want to even go there, but if opening slaughter houses in the States means they travel there via shorter journey's and meet a humane end then yes if its got to be done then its a good thing to do it that way.
 
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Oh I understand perfectly,

Horse slaughter=inhumane and cruel.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING - ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS PUT HORSES THAT ARE BRED FOR MEAT INTO REHABILITATION AND REHOMING CENTRES, AND THEY CAN MAKE MEAT BREEDERS ILLEGAL!!

ALSO TRANSPORTING THEM TO MEXICO AND SURROUNDING COUNTRIES SHOULD BE MADE ILLEGAL.

But we all know that this lies in the hands of Mr O.

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I cant see there being homes for the however many thousands of meat horses there are going through these places a year being made avaliable nevermind the rehabilitation
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This is Mel's mum here, and my daughter is a bit upset over what you have asked her to watch. She has a straight opinion and you cannot change it. You've upset her on a massive scale.

Horse slaughter is wrong and always will be wrong, you say to her watch a video that from the play button made her burst into tears. Please whoever posted that stop it, shes made her point and maybe you want horses to be slaughterd for their own good I dont know. Horses have done nothing but amaze us from the word go, they do not and never will deserve to be slaughterd for meat. Im not arguing as that would be childish it upsets me to see grown woman asking a teenage to watch a video that you know may make her be sick, you sit their and watch it, you took the time to search it.

Maybe we deserve to be slaughtered, let ourselves know what monsters we've become.

I DO NOT, want arguments and rude and cruel comments made to me.

Thank you

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If she thinks she is grown up enough to express such an accusatory ,strong and (supposedly) informed opinion, then she had best be grown up enough to hear what others (that are attempting to open her eyes) have to say back to her!


The fact she needs her mommy to come on here on her behalf tells me she in not grown up enough at all............




Perhaps her internet access should be monitored BY YOU if she is so easilly upset by real life matters.




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In total agreement xx
 
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I cant see there being homes for the however many thousands of meat horses there are going through these places a year being made avaliable nevermind the rehabilitation

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In 2008, over 110,000 horses were slaughtered here in Canada; 79,000 of those horses were transported up here from the States. 55,000 horses were sent to Mexican slaughterhouses from the States in 2008.

All of our slaughterhouses here in Canada have EU approval, most of the slaughterhouses in Mexico don't, which is where a big part of the welfare concern comes in.

People really do have to learn to understand what they are discussing Mrs W, and if they don't, then HHO will, without doubt, be very quick to educate those who are ignorant of the plight of some of these poor horses. This is not some fluffy pony website I'm afraid and if your daughter finds some of the real world issues talked about on here upsetting, then I think you should try to find a more suitable forum for her to chat on.
 
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i suggest your Daughter gets into the REAL world Mrs W..
Maybe you can hold her delicate little hand, eh?



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How can she do that when she does not even appear to be in the real world herself?
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Thanks for attaking a mother trying to protect her child ... im sure she will come to understand life's harsh realitys
soon enough and "the real world" as you will when you find out that the person grining in your signiture is not quite what you think... is partly the cause of the sub prime crisis, has crooked friends
and will do little to help anyone but himself and his buddies.....
you can keep the change
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i suggest your Daughter gets into the REAL world Mrs W..
Maybe you can hold her delicate little hand, eh?



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How can she do that when she does not even appear to be in the real world herself?
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Thanks for attaking a mother trying to protect her child ... im sure she will come to understand life's harsh realitys
soon enough and "the real world" as you will when you find out that the person grining in your signiture is not quite what you think... is partly the cause of the sub prime crisis, has crooked friends
and will do little to help anyone but himself and his buddies.....
you can keep the change
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As a mother myself, I am protective of my child. This includes monitoring the sites she accesses on the internet, as this is a mixed forum with no pg area to speak of as such and the "harsh realities" are often discussed I would question how much exposure my child should have to it.

With that said, my daughter knows about the food chain, about cruelty and I try as much as I can to be honest with her about what is out there.

The computer will always be in the front room and there will be no sneaking on when I am not there to questionable sites, childrens sites are fine, but again thats what net nanny is for!

I think if my daughter went on to a forum spouting how people are cruel and heartless, not listening to the rational arguement and was presented with the proof in pictures or film to see for herself since she wasnt prepared to listen to anyone, then she would have learnt a hard lesson, but one apparently needed all the same.
 
As an animal lover and vegetarian, like you, I was aghast at horses being slaughtered.

But having seen the alternative, feel there are worse fates for animals other than death. Sometimes life is worse than death.

As long as the animal is treated with dignity and respect and humanely, I do not have a problem with it, after all, its not any different to slaughtering any other animal and at least horses are not intensively reared as such for meat.

I welcome it.
 
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As an animal lover and vegetarian, like you, I was aghast at horses being slaughtered.


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Yay a sensible vegie! You are one of an elite band of vegies that I've met (/talk to online) who live in the real world. Well done! lol
 
I agree in principle, however she should have been given a warning as to how distressing the video was. This is an open forum and I agree posters should be allowed to discuss whatever equine subject they feel they wish to, however those of us who don't need to see visual evidence to understand how shocking a subject may be should be allowed the choice. In addition, a couple of posters on this thread talk about constructive argument I fail to see how personally directed comments meant to offend are constructive.
 
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I agree in principle, however she should have been given a warning as to how distressing the video was.

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Seriously? The words 'horse' and 'slaughter' are pretty much self-explanatory. How fluffy would you have expected it to be?

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This is an open forum and I agree posters should be allowed to discuss whatever equine subject they feel they wish to, however those of us who don't need to see visual evidence to understand how shocking a subject may be should be allowed the choice.

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You are allowed a choice; click on link or don't. I didn't need to.

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In addition, a couple of posters on this thread talk about constructive argument I fail to see how personally directed comments meant to offend are constructive.

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It would help if those posters who are so offended tried to formulate a constructive argument themselves, don't you think?
 
If you had read my earlier post you would have seen that I too did not choose to watch the video and yes because I am an adult of an age that would suggest I have been around the block a bit I suspected the video would contain material that I would not want to see, however it may not have been as obvious to a teenager. She did get emotional I agree but it is an emotional subject, I am sure we have all been guilty of speaking before we think. I don't understand your last comment
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Yes she got it wrong but I don't think she deserved some of the comments she received but then that is just my opinion.
 
In hindsight maybe I should have added a warning but at the start of the video, before a horse is even shown there is a warning that it contains graphic material which may cause distress. MB CHOSE to watch it and as this forum is generally used by adults I didn't think it necessary to give warning
 
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If you had read my earlier post you would have seen that I too did not choose to watch the video and yes because I am an adult of an age that would suggest I have been around the block a bit I suspected the video would contain material that I would not want to see, however it may not have been as obvious to a teenager.

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Considering how evil she thinks slaughter is, I'm astounded she saw anything that could shock her any further.
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She did get emotional I agree but it is an emotional subject, I am sure we have all been guilty of speaking before we think. I don't understand your last comment
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Yes she got it wrong but I don't think she deserved some of the comments she received but then that is just my opinion.

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Emotional it may be, but plenty of people are able to make rational arguments in a controlled manner. If you get all emotional and hysterical then people will NOT take you seriously. In response to your question, in my youth I certainly DID say some VERY stupid things (I cringe to this day) and who's to say I don't now? However, when corrected I listened and learned and I now understand that things are not always as they seem and I do not necessarily have all the facts.
 
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Thanks for attaking a mother trying to protect her child

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eh?
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You cannot be serious.

The only person on here "attacking" people seemed to be her daughter
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I have children myself ( including a teenage daughter) and you would NEVER catch me on a fourm she may visit making a silly post like that mother did.


The "proctecting" should have been done by monitoring her internet activities in the first place. As a mother I would not be letting my child live in a sugar coated false reality. If my child had a passion and strong feelings on a subject ( as her daughter appeared to have in this case) then I would be certain to let my child be aware of the realities of that subject from every angle. She was doing her daughter no favors as far as I am concerned. That is why I feel she is not in the real world ( imo) It is not an attack but my personal observation and opinion in this situation.


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soon enough and "the real world" as you will when you find out that the person grining in your signiture is not quite what you think...

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You mean he is not really snuggling me and laughing as I push my rivals away?
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If I found this to be true I would be crushed
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partly the cause of the sub prime crisis, has crooked friends
and will do little to help anyone but himself and his buddies.....

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"blah blah blah blah blah" is what all of that sounded like to me
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you can keep the change
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I will
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Then my apologies on that comment BankEndRescue because I didn't watch the video I wasn't aware there was a warning comment on it if there is and she still chose to watch it then unfortunately thats her choice she must endure the consequences.

PF - I agree. I enjoy a good old debate myself but sometimes some comments do tend to become personal which are irrevelant to the argument I just felt that is what happened here on a couple of posts thats all.

On a lighter note are you all experiencing the great weather we are having here, my daughter and I had a great time in the school this morning
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