Use of arabs in breeding, sports horse

magic104 said:
The other myth was Arabs would not go through water, more rider issue then Arab I think.
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Interesting, my PBA has issues with water...she cant get enough of it :D
Out on hacks she heads for every puddle no matter how big or deep and splashes her way through them she loves it!
All horses should have arab in them, I always said id never own anything arab but my mare is quite possibly the most perfect horse for me...so willing and looks after me and jumps like a stag :D and she a flying machine, feeling her move up gears is exhilirating!
Sire is arab and dam is tb x hanoverian.

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Performance Arabians: I do love Incandescent Flame! Always have :) Loved meeting him.

Here's my mare, she has endless amounts of scope, shes 97.5% arab we've worked out, but due to no lines available for her dam she cannot be registered as that.

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My mare in the sea
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This is my 4 yr old out of the pure bred arab Red house Condor: (sorry they're big I don't know how to shrink them!)

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She is so straightforward and easy it's unreal. Unfortunately she is for sale as I'm 5'10 and my sister (teh rider in the pics) is 6ft tall and the mare's only 15.1hh. I'm putting off her sale for as long as possible though...it's nice to have a 'normal' bother-free horse about the place!!
 
You only have to look on Biddesden stud's website (Tamarillo's breeders) to see that all the horses are bred for performance. I have a 2 year old Anglo arab from the stud by Sisyrinchium and he is just so bold and brave, he does ANYTHING i ask him to. I am so excited about him!! He also has been doing very well showing.
 
competitiondiva said:
OMG!!!! Well I have to say I've followed this thread initially, but haven't read all the posts, but as I'm on the look out for potential stallions, for a foal that will be saleable, if my mare doesn't come sound, I came across this stallion:

http://pelionstud.co.uk/stallions/indien-de-here

Full up anglo arab, 148cm and jumping out of his skin!! What talent!!!
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French bred. The French love their Arabs and Anglos. That is how I started my quest. I saw a young middleweight hunter (also a few miles from Reading) whose dam was a Percheron and sire an Arab. The owner told me they had 'tall Arabians' in France so I went in search of a tall Arab and finished up in Hungary.

I believed that the Cleveland Bay with plenty of bone would make a better cross than the Percheron and here I am.
 
Well i brought my arab with the thought of useing him as a stock improver for sport, his attitude is so trainable and intelligent, and for my broken back he is comfortable.... i accept that pure arab is not for everyone, but a bit of arab can rally improve some breeds, after all its worked for other stud books.. the trakhner stud book for instance...

What lets them down is the arabian showing world and i totaly agree with the letter in H&H reacently about the arab nationals, 1ft 6 jumping. are they trying extra hard to damage the breed's reputation, and a walk trot test!!! I mean come on ,that should be a showcase for the arab not for introduceing novice horses.

here he is any way , 4yrs old in these pics showing natural ablity that might make some anti arabs change thire minds!!!?

clearly no one has told him arabs cant jump.



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I have a 14.3hh coloured mare with unknown breeding from Germany. I am looking at trying to breed a coloured foal next year and have been looking at coloured warmblood type stallions at stud but every now and again I feel tempted to go for a coloured PB arab. There is one stallion I've seen that is about 30 something % arab and rest Saddlebred. So the resulting foal would be around 15% arab blood. As I say my mare is of unknown breeding and is quite refined herself but is of show hunter pony stamp. Has anyone bred any similar 'types'? Would love to see some pics of the results... My theory is if I did decide on a PBA I could also enter the PBA classes at my county shows as well as the coloureds... Some pics below:
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& this is a link to a picture of her at Kent County earlier this year http://www.flickr.com/photos/lewishardingphotography/4815764951/sizes/l/in/set-72157624553279518/
 
I just love that little bit of extra that arabians and english thoroughbreds bring to the mix when used with warmbloods! They definitely improve the stock.
My 'grandmother' mare is 23 years old, is 60% OX and 10% XX (rest is warmblood), and plays with her great-grandson of 16 months ... who I might add is now about 160-162 cm. She's my anchor in the pasture ... does not run from anything but will turn and face 'danger', with the rest of the tiny herd (her daughter, granddaughter and ggson) standing a couple of meters behind her!

Her children have all gone into sport, being it B to Z level dressage, 100-140 cm jumping, western pleasure or endurance! Yep a very very allround mare.

Last year I bred her daughter to a partbred arabian endurance/dressage stallion, 'Sun Champagne Charly' and got a fantastic colt that was snapped up within a couple of months.
The sire gives great rideable horses, even has a couple internationally competing endurance horses (Red Pink): http://www.murillo.be/pics58.html
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Can't believe I've only just seen this thread!
My wonderful horse is 50% arab by Saker out of a Hanovarian x TB mare. He was bred at Harwood Arabian Stud along with his 2 1/2 sisters which are out of the same mare but by Kasadi. One of his sisters was put in foal to Greenbank Harlequin and has produced the coloured stallion Harlequince who stands at Pferde Stud.
http://www.pferdestud.com/#/harlequince/4538624854
He's stunning and so much like my horse, only mine is grey lol!

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I'm also the proud owner of a 2 year old Shagya filly by Amica and Tatianus. Hence she is the half sister of Rollin's colt. I had her with me in UK until recently but we moved to Italy but might come back there one day. I plan to compete her in 3 days events and/or show jumping as far as we can get together. But might put her in fall next year before, depending at her conformation next summer. For now she is enjoying her time in a French stud farm with other youngters and adult horse within 40 hectares of nice hilly field, Hence she got the musculature of a working horse!

Her at exactly 2 year old in June:







By doing this all day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgFWKo08k0s

Her back hind muscles are like that:



Her as a foal with her dame:





 
This 4yo is the result of putting a NaStA performance tested 15hh pure bred arabian onto a 16.3hh SHB(GB) graded TBx mare.

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He stood champion having looked after his junior handler (with his 2 year old even bigger full brother and his junior handler in reserve).

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He is now going very sweetly under saddle and will go eventing, although he may well do a couple of years in ridden showing on the way.
 
This has been a great thread. So many gorgeous arab horses HHO members have!

Thats little black stallion looked like he would be great fun to own and ride :)
 
With 5 (I think Im correct) AA's at WEG this year do you think there will be any interest in the AA as an event horse?

Havenir D'Azac/Karim Florent Laghouagh (FR), Gadget De La Cere/Dirk Schrade (GER), Khanjer Black/Yoshiaki Oiwa (JPN), Dourango/Marco Cappai (ITA) & Ekus TW/Serguei Fofanoff (BRA). There would have been 6 but Tatchou the french horse was injured earlier.

Havenir D'Azac is by the TB Neustrien ex of an AA by Krac du Beziat. Sadly he was eliminated in the dressage because of blood in his mouth.

Gadget De La Cere by AA Athos de Ceran ex of an AA by Samuel again eliminated, this time due to a fall on the XC

Khanjer Black by AA Khanjer Joli ex of an AA by Donald Duck - 38th of 80 entries



Dourango by Flamengo ex of an AA by Olympique London withdrew before the show jumping

Ekus T.W eliminated XC after 3 refusals

I know the performance was not outstanding, but they got there when plenty others did not.
 
eventrider23 said:
They are definitely still being used in sports horse breeding. Biddesden stud who bred and own Tamarillo are still breeding PB Arab sport horses including the PB stallion Persiflage. Plus the stallion H Tobago is being used on a lot of WB mares with super results. The Trakehner stud book also still accept Arabs in the book and so they are definitely still being used to improve breeds.
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Thanks for the mention of Tobago, eventrider! He does indeed seem to be attracting increasing interest from serious sport-horse breeders - watch out for forthcoming foals from some excellent, fully-graded (SHB(GB) and Trakehner) mares...

The F1 cross to a pure-bred Arab (especially a 'show-Arab' like Tobago) is still somewhat unusual in this country, though - and I am very grateful to the innovative breeders who are using my boy, as I am keen to promote the use of Arab blood in sport-horse breeding.

These breeders share my belief that the right Arab blood (particularly from the big-moving Russian lines) can add the refinement and quick-thinking agility for which TB blood is normally used, but with the loss of elevated movement that can occur with the TB cross.
 
....and let's not forget that Pippa Funnell's young horse, Redesigned, who was 5th in the Individual 3 Day Event at the World Equestrian Games is also a part bred Arab!
 
I really liked Persiflage when I saw him at Biddenden : and as a bit of an aside, but related to the theme of introducing outcrosses to WB breeds to improve stamina, movement, etc ... I heard from the owner of a prize-winning Andalsian the other day that several German studs have started to use an Andalusian stallion on some of their mares ..... Interesting!
 
magic104 said:
With 5 (I think Im correct) AA's at WEG this year do you think there will be any interest in the AA as an event horse?

Havenir D'Azac/Karim Florent Laghouagh (FR), Gadget De La Cere/Dirk Schrade (GER), Khanjer Black/Yoshiaki Oiwa (JPN), Dourango/Marco Cappai (ITA) & Ekus TW/Serguei Fofanoff (BRA). There would have been 6 but Tatchou the french horse was injured earlier.

Havenir D'Azac is by the TB Neustrien ex of an AA by Krac du Beziat. Sadly he was eliminated in the dressage because of blood in his mouth.

Gadget De La Cere by AA Athos de Ceran ex of an AA by Samuel again eliminated, this time due to a fall on the XC

Khanjer Black by AA Khanjer Joli ex of an AA by Donald Duck - 38th of 80 entries



Dourango by Flamengo ex of an AA by Olympique London withdrew before the show jumping

Ekus T.W eliminated XC after 3 refusals

I know the performance was not outstanding, but they got there when plenty others did not.
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From Pintoarabian and Shakira's info, it seems that Redesigned, 5th at WEG, is also an Anglo-Arab. His damline is almost entirely AA, and there is some AA in the sireline as well - on pedigree he looks to be 50% AA, so I wonder why he was not included in the official list of AAs competing at WEG?
 
Sorry to be pedantic, but Redesigned is a part bred Arab not an Anglo. The British definition of Anglo is only Thoroughbred and Arabian blood. Although the French definition of Anglo allows a small percentage of another breed there is more than that in Redesigned's pedigree, mainly Selle Francais, a breed which itself carries Arabian blood. It is very probable that many more top horses carry Arabian lines somewhere in their pedigrees but some people prefer not to admit to it.
 
So sorry pintoarabian - you are absolutely right, of course! Redesigned is PBA, not AA. Can't believe I could be such a twerp - I was clearly having a major blonde moment there!

What I should have said was that he should be in the official list of PBAs at WEG. But there is almost certainly no such list - which is a shame.

I would love to know how many of the horses at WEG have Arab blood - probably quite a few, as you say, including all of the SFs? I can't help wondering if the Arab blood could be a factor in the ever-increasing success of the SF?
 
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