Use of arabs in breeding, sports horse

carlo_mio said:
I really liked Persiflage when I saw him at Biddenden : and as a bit of an aside, but related to the theme of introducing outcrosses to WB breeds to improve stamina, movement, etc ... I heard from the owner of a prize-winning Andalsian the other day that several German studs have started to use an Andalusian stallion on some of their mares ..... Interesting!
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Yes we saw one at Addington as part of a demo either end of last year or earlier this year. There was a post about it at the time.
 
Rollin- lovely lovely horses!!!!

From previous threads some might know I am a BIG fan of the Anglo Arab. A very good, versatile horse and should be more of them. Wish they would breed more rather than WB :D
 
I have a PB Arab she is x thoroughbred, most people think I'm mad but she is so good and learns so quickly, I think arabs are one of the most prettiest breeds and i love showing her. She looks more arab than thoroughbred. She is only 2 at the moment but when she is broken I am hoping to do endurance with her.

I also am looking at taking a Arab x welsh pony on full loan in the meantime to ride and even she is very chilled out. Most people just think they are very highly strung and hard work. yes hard work maybe but they aren't always on their toes :)

O and who said arabs cant jump, my 2yr old is pretty good at jumping out the stable over the wheelbarrow blocking the door whilst i muck out :) xx
 
I used to ride a fully graded Arab stallion in Germany almost 20 years ago. Boy could that horse jump. He was superb.

I love Arabs and wish I had the time and money to own one again but I've been converted to Andalusians, who can also jump superbly I might add.
 
I have been looking at Arabs/AA & PBA stallions to cover a TB mare by Faustus x Grundy x King's Troop. She is a deep bodied mare, a little narrow though and a touch upright but not stick legs & a good length of rein. She could do with being a bit more active behind but otherwise is a straight mover.

Moonshine Pharo PBA more sentimental because of his connection to Ombre Solaire. Concerns that he maybe a little long in the back & has no competition record. He stands a long way away so not seen any of his offspring either. The last info on the site was "He has huge movement and will come out to do the four year old dressage young horse classes next year." doesnt appear to have happened. He stands at Grafham so also surprised he does not appear to have been put forward for grading.

Saudee Arab has the height 16hh & movement

Roe Jalmood Arab really like his dam Pr Midnite Magic she has another son Roe Namrood but he is only 15.1 not sure if either are big enough. Mare is 16.1hh & dont want anything smaller the 16hh.

All That Jazz AA by Ss City Lights & from the same stud & the one I prefer of the 2 Persiflage AA by Primitive Rising

As she is a full TB I am happy to use a full arab but I have struggled to find a good one over 15.2hh. Has to be in the UK as would like to see it in the flesh, any ideas?
 
I was spectating at the Sports Pony Society grading last weekend and there was a very nice Crabbett stallion up for grading - Silver Zaanif, by Lutfi Pasha out of Imperial Silver lace by Shabash. Stands 154 cm and has a fantastic jump. I will keep him on my watch list to use for sure
 
Durham said:
I was spectating at the Sports Pony Society grading last weekend and there was a very nice Crabbett stallion up for grading - Silver Zaanif, by Lutfi Pasha out of Imperial Silver lace by Shabash. Stands 154 cm and has a fantastic jump. I will keep him on my watch list to use for sure
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Very nice & he can jump, but for me I do not want any chance of a grey. Having had a few spot as a teenager I will never forget how hard it was to keep him clean, especially on show days!
 
melbobineau said:
There is KB Omega Fahim, a US black arab stallion who is also approved for shagya breeding. He compete as quite a high (sorry not used to US competition levels), at least at st George level.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUJpbHaum-U
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ohhhh YUM!
 
magic104 said:
Anyone come across stock by Sambist 15.3hh bay Arab x Balaton x Topol
http://www.gadebrookstud.com/
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I loooove Sambist - super horse and v good sire - I recommended him to someone on another thread here just recently. Fab Russian bloodlines, and he's the typiest of the racing stallions.

(I have no connections at all to this horse - just a big fan.)
 
Sambist has thrown some very nice stock who are doing a variety of different jobs. He is also an AHS premium stallion which would mean that a foal from a performance mare that meets their criteria would merit a payment from the AHS performance scheme on registration.

Don't be too quick to rule out a smaller pure-bred. As an example, ;)mine is 15hh, a NaStA performance tested AHS premium stallion who has thrown 3 16.1hh+ part-breds from my 16.3hh TBx mare, the 2 year old is already bigger than his mother. Also a 16hh still to grow some more 4yo from a warmblood mare and the purebred foal I have this year will be bigger than her dam. When you look back, he has some bigger horses behind him and this is coming through.

And they all jump :D, but then the mares are performance mares too.
 
We totally support the use of Arabs in sport horse breeding - and we event our pure bred Arabians.

Many years ago, I remember reading that a performance breeder used to add a dash of native pony blood to add the speed and agility. We've adopted the same approach but replaced the native pony with Arabian breeding.

Our pure bred mare, Taragun was made World Arabian Horse Organisation Horse of the Year for her eventing, partnered by our (then) 12 year old daughter. We were presented with the award by Tamarillo's owner (who also happens to be a senior committee member of the Arab Horse Society).

We also have a wonderful French bred Anglo, a 16.3, who has taken our daughter to JRN and who previously competed to 3* level and represented France and Italy.

This year, we started competing our pure bred stallion, Templars Orchestral Pearl - he's 15.3.

The Arabian horse is a wonderful breed. The bond with them has to be earned, but once formed, it is a life long partnership that will never fade and they will literally give their lives for you. It's one of the closest relationships people can ever experience.

I know I'm biased and I'm prepared to be convinced otherwise but after 20 years of people trying to dissuade me, I still believe that Arabian bloodlines are the holy grail in having the ability to add courage, talent, temperament, style and immeasurable amounts of love!
 
You learn something new everyday Tannis, as I had always connected your stud more to the TB then the Arab. I never knew you stood an Arab stallion for starters. I had a look on the AHS website, but could not find anything but the premium stallions. I had already looked at Olympus Hale Bop, in-fact I had considered him 6yrs ago but went for a pure Trak instead.
 
Magic104 - you learned something good today! Tannis and her family and their super-talented horses have the admiration and affection of everyone in the Arab-horse world, myself very much included.
 
If someone can let me know how to post photos, I can post some of our pure breds out doing what they do best - affiliated eventing :)

thanks

and thanks for the lovely comments Kate - don't forget it was your old boy that gave us the determination to follow in his hoof steps :) :)
 
Tannis said:
If someone can let me know how to post photos, I can post some of our pure breds out doing what they do best - affiliated eventing :)

thanks

and thanks for the lovely comments Kate - don't forget it was your old boy that gave us the determination to follow in his hoof steps :) :)
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You need a photobucket account (FOC) http://s46.photobucket.com you upload your photos & then copy the IMG Code onto here, works for me
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I forgot to edit otherwise they come out huuge like this one, oops
 
Tannis said:
If someone can let me know how to post photos, I can post some of our pure breds out doing what they do best - affiliated eventing :)

thanks

and thanks for the lovely comments Kate - don't forget it was your old boy that gave us the determination to follow in his hoof steps :) :)
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Sorry Tannis - somehow missed your last post on this thread! Thank you - General Lee Gold was indeed a super little horse. I still miss him. Did you know that two great-grandchildren of GLG were born this year? (Both by Tobago, so both very special to me for many reasons!)

Would be lovely to see photos on here of your fabulous eventing Arabs!!
 
i'm breeding andalusian x anglo-arabs, my youngster now 2 half years old is 62.1/2 % thoroughbred, 12. 1/2 % arab, 25 % andalusian, he is the result of 40 years breeding , my fourth generation, 16 hands grey gelding, i can't wait to ride him later on! he looks like something between an eventer a dressage horse and a unicorn!
 
Tannis lets please see your photo's. There are good step by step guides to photos in photo galleery page at top as a sticky. Or just open a photobucket account and copy and paste the IMG code onto message
 
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I'll try and post some - hope it works!!


The Pure Breds

The Talented and Beautiful Taragun (Shogun x Taretta) a 14.2 liver chestnut mare who had been a field ornament for over ten years before turning her hoof to eventing. Here she is partnered with (then) 12 year old daughter. Taragun was awarded World Horse Organisation Horse of the Year and received her award from the Hon Finn Guinness (owner of the incomparable Tamarillo)

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Receiving the award

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Having fun

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And our pure bred stallion, Harley, Templars Orchestral Pearl (Last Crescendo x Templars Magic Pearl) who started this year. He's had a lot of set backs (long story that I won't bore you with) but suffice to say that due to mistreatment by a producer, he almost lost his life, had had a fractured pedal bone and a complete nervous breakdown. He has now recovered well enough (physically but more importanly, emotionally, to partner our now 15 year old daughter. Home bred on home bred, there is no better feeling in the whole wide world!!!!


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The Part bred

Our little 14.2 part bred pony, Twist Hoeves Nancy (Kooihuster Folkert x Brukels Marabella). Nancy is now in foal to thHarley's sire so hoping for a little baby, high percentage sport pony next year :)

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The Anglo


The most wonderful horse ever (if he was human, I'd marry him). The 16.3 French Anglo Arabe, Heron de la Forge (Prince Ig'Or x Isis). Again partnered by 15 year old Evie and competing JRN.


I love this photo - I call it "the look of love". They were placed at Milton Keynes Unaffiliated Event in the Open class with Evie being the youngest rider by many years. We honestly didn't think they'd made it into the placings and we were all thrilled to bits. But none of us quite as much as daughter :)

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And here they are in action:


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4 very different horses/ponies but all with a minimum 40% Arab blood :)


Flying the Flag for Arabian bloodlines :) :) :) :)
 
No, the top one (the liver chestnut) is a mare, the second one (the grey is a stallion), the roan is a mare and the bay is a gelding (sadly - he's just what I would love to breed - he's my role model :) )
 
pintoarabian said:
Sorry to be pedantic, but Redesigned is a part bred Arab not an Anglo. The British definition of Anglo is only Thoroughbred and Arabian blood. Although the French definition of Anglo allows a small percentage of another breed there is more than that in Redesigned's pedigree, mainly Selle Francais, a breed which itself carries Arabian blood. It is very probable that many more top horses carry Arabian lines somewhere in their pedigrees but some people prefer not to admit to it.
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I totally agree, it seems that anything with a bit of arab in it is described as an anglo these days.

I also agree that some folks don't always admit that their horses have arab in them as it's not fashionable.

ETA love your chestnuts Tannis!
 
sdoherty said:
i was never a big fan of arabs until the purebred stallion "red house condor" came to live with us a few years ago and now i think every mare should be crossed with an arab. ive got a daughter and three of condors sons and curiosity is making me want to keep them all. they seem to last forever, condors 24 and he's still ridden and acts like a 3 yr old out on the roads. i def think more effort should be put into encouraging people to use arabs to improve their breeds.
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Hi, We had a daughter of redhouse condor called Heather Queen she was a JA pony 14.2 she will be twenty now and could jump like a gazelle with a temperment to die for. would love to see some photos of the old boy if possible could you send to rabmarnic@btinternet.com would be very grateful, thanks
 
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