Very sad advert

RuthM said:
Surely if you hand over cash you just incentivise the same thing happening again and again, like buying from puppy farms.
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I agree... But someone can make a hugely positive difference in her little life... I guess it might lend some credence to idiotic breeders but stepping in would make a difference for her... I suppose it depends if you look at welfare from the perspective of the betterment of the species or the individual - or like me, aim for the former but get distracted and need to do something for the latter when they pop up and tug on the heart strings... :)
 
YES YES YES.

But bare in mind that if you are close by, it may not be such a good idea then reporting ?

i will chip in too, just let me know where to send the cheque.

As I was an Inspector, i know you can't save everything, but this little soul could be a mascot for the rest that hopefully do get checked over. There is just something about her. And yes she is older than they say, they are just trying to cover her poor condition. x

Please please let's all do it - we could all adopt her then *grin*
 
When i saw this and posted about her i cried as she reminded me of the yearling filly i rescued exactly one year ago today (it was actually her birthday on the day i found her) Photos can be deceptive but my little girl weighing in at only 40kgs was actually a whole lot worse in the flesh than in pictures. I expect this little baby will be the same. Come on guys,can we do this? i will of course donate but am too far away to help in any other way.
 
I agree with RuthM.

The Bob/Dave/Richards of this world depend on people who want to "rescue" horses like this. Report him, and end the suffering of more than just Tilly.
 
Ladydragon said:
I agree... But someone can make a hugely positive difference in her little life... I guess it might lend some credence to idiotic breeders but stepping in would make a difference for her... I suppose it depends if you look at welfare from the perspective of the betterment of the species or the individual - or like me, aim for the former but get distracted and need to do something for the latter when they pop up and tug on the heart strings... :)
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I look at welfare being to reduce suffering and pain, whether I see the animal or not, know the animal or not, whether heart strings are tugged or not. No matter how adorable (and she is) her suffering is no more (or less) important than the horse the buyer funds to exist even if as they're not seen they are easier to ignore.

Buying like this is supporting this. Buying is always supporting.
 
Def arrange a viewing but make sure you pay (if at all possible) a pittance for her then we may be keeping everyone happy. Take cash and actually show him it when offering, I am sure he wont be able to resist crisp notes and dont let him see you really want her. Good luck
 
meesha said:
Def arrange a viewing but make sure you pay (if at all possible) a pittance for her then we may be keeping everyone happy. Take cash and actually show him it when offering, I am sure he wont be able to resist crisp notes and dont let him see you really want her. Good luck
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'Course you may find dealer knows the score, just says no, you or someone else willing to support his horsemanship in order to rescue will come along. It's not like the advert even tries to hide the condition, think about it, it's not a head shot, not even a shot with the photographer crackling a crisp packet, and as others said he's no stranger to selling...
 
Fools Motto said:
The thing that strikes me more, is that filly doesn't look 6 months. She looks like a very poor yearling. I can't put my finger on it, but she doesn't look 'foaly' at all!!
Just hope that someone nice and kind can care for this poor soul.
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My thoughts exactly. Just looking at her tail, and the size of her head, she looks way older than 6 months.
 
If I can be of any help in anyway please will someone PM me. I don't have transport, but have a place for her (or any other pony/horse) to stay and I'm in Lancashire.
I'll also help with a donation. :)

I do think the owners should be reported though, else nothing will be done and they'll make some cash at the expense of the horses
 
amymay said:
Where will you keep her? Can you afford the livery of an extra horse?
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At my livery with my other two, yeah my yard owner is the most nicest person and my bills are very cheap! She also has a friesian who she rescued who looked like this, so once i show her the pictures her heart will melt!
 
She is so sweet and only a couple of junctions up from me... I'm really having to stop myself from grabbing the keys and fetching her back... :(
 
I haven't look at advert but will help if I can.
I am willing to contribute to buy her of help with transport if she moves down this way.

The seller(s) should still be reported if they are doing this a lot, get help for the other poor horses.

Also we should use this as an example, set up her own website/ facebook page etc.
Get magazines involved so her from day one and how she progresses.

Get the message across of the situation in the horses workd and the over breeding of horses.
 
...And so everyone plays right into their hands and fuels this type of situation.

Report it and deal with the situation in the bigger picture.
 
^^^ THIS

Make her famous, and just show what us HHO's can do :)

Better be quick, especially with talk of reporting going on, or he'll get wind and the lot will be "gone".
 
Totally agree! my boyfriend is ringing up to arrange a viewing either tonight or tomorrow (if they can) i want to get her out of there asap, get her looking proper! makes me sick how anybody can do this though! they must think we are thick!
 
Also she is literally around the corner from me!!! i need advice on how to do this.. if i buy her, do i report him afterwards? do i take pictures of her for evidence?
 
This all concerns me. It's great that so many of you want to rescue Tilly and have her as a HHO mascot, but what about the future. Who will be responsible for vet bills, worming, backing her, tack and when she turns into an adult horse that looks stunning, which one of you will then claim ownership. I think you all need to take a step back and look at the possible legal implications of shared horse ownership - perhaps decide on a contract first before rushing into something which could all go horribly wrong. What if most of you pull out over the next few weeks, claiming lack of funds because your current horses need the money - who will be the one person ultimately responsible for the care of Tilly?

As someone suggested earlier, buying from this sort of dealer is akin to buying a dog from a puppy farm. Would it not be better to send your donations to a local horse charity, who may then be able to go and rescue these foals and give them a more secure future? And then report the dealer/s to the RSPCA so they can be investigated and prosecuted, if they are indeed breaking any laws.
 
Natalieshort said:
Also she is literally around the corner from me!!! i need advice on how to do this.. if i buy her, do i report him afterwards? do i take pictures of her for evidence?
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The best thing to do is to report her first - don't get involved and let the authorities see her in situ in her current environment.

She doesn't look in bad enough condition for anything drastic to happen to her so there is no dire emergency to get her out of there right this instance.

Things start getting complicated when money gets handed over.
 
LIZ66 said:
This all concerns me. It's great that so many of you want to rescue Tilly and have her as a HHO mascot, but what about the future. Who will be responsible for vet bills, worming, backing her, tack and when she turns into an adult horse that looks stunning, which one of you will then claim ownership. I think you all need to take a step back and look at the possible legal implications of shared horse ownership - perhaps decide on a contract first before rushing into something which could all go horribly wrong. What if most of you pull out over the next few weeks, claiming lack of funds because your current horses need the money - who will be the one person ultimately responsible for the care of Tilly?
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However the purchase is funded, I suggest that the keeper will be responsible for all costs thereafter. And if a sale is made thereafter, I would also suggest that it will be the keepers right to do this in the future. However, some assurance that there was every intention to keep the horse long term should be sought...

Keeping on livery will be an issue because of costs - and someone who has their own land is a much better option as the keeper, and would be my preference.
 
LIZ66 said:
This all concerns me. It's great that so many of you want to rescue Tilly and have her as a HHO mascot, but what about the future. Who will be responsible for vet bills, worming, backing her, tack and when she turns into an adult horse that looks stunning, which one of you will then claim ownership. I think you all need to take a step back and look at the possible legal implications of shared horse ownership - perhaps decide on a contract first before rushing into something which could all go horribly wrong. What if most of you pull out over the next few weeks, claiming lack of funds because your current horses need the money - who will be the one person ultimately responsible for the care of Tilly?

As someone suggested earlier, buying from this sort of dealer is akin to buying a dog from a puppy farm. Would it not be better to send your donations to a local horse charity, who may then be able to go and rescue these foals and give them a more secure future? And then report the dealer/s to the RSPCA so they can be investigated and prosecuted, if they are indeed breaking any laws.
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Agree with this, although would stress that the horses SHOULDN'T be removed from the owner before they are reported - the RSPCA/WHW/BHS should see them IN SITU and in the environment they are currently kept in.
 
i know but we are all sat here talking about it when we could be giving her a home? i know for a fact i can afford it and there is lots of experienced people at my yard who eventually will back her etc. I just have the time do this and when she is an adult it will be nice to look back on it to see how she has turned out! ive arranged a viewing.. half 7 tonight :|
 
horrible situation, but tbh though once she has gone I would suspect that there is nothing the welfare organisations can do except maybe keep an eye on him in future if they have resources
 
Moomin1 said:
...And so everyone plays right into their hands and fuels this type of situation.

Report it and deal with the situation in the bigger picture.
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Exactly. Well put.

Please people, these fella's have been selling badly put together ponies for quite a long time. They are (almost) all in a score of 2 - 3 physically and most have confirmation defects due to poor breeding, in-breeding, young breeding - you name it.

Removing 1 pony yearling from a bunch of them is not going to help. It might make you feel better to think you have helped 'rescue' a pony, but you MUST look at the bigger picture.

Maybe you can get a bit more rational about this - there are literally hundreds of cross-bred poorly put together ponies being sold.

This one is over meat ££'s value at least!
 
Fools Motto said:
The thing that strikes me more, is that filly doesn't look 6 months. She looks like a very poor yearling. I can't put my finger on it, but she doesn't look 'foaly' at all!!
Just hope that someone nice and kind can care for this poor soul.
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I thought this too she doesn't look foallike in the face or coat- its odd!
 
Natalieshort said:
i know but we are all sat here talking about it when we could be giving her a home? i know for a fact i can afford it and there is lots of experienced people at my yard who eventually will back her etc. I just have the time do this and when she is an adult it will be nice to look back on it to see how she has turned out! ive arranged a viewing.. half 7 tonight :|
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Yes but by doing so you are fuelling and funding the demise of many other horses potentially. It's all very well having a knee jerk reaction but the only way things will improve for any horses going through these people's care is to deal with it properly and via the authorities. That money you hand over will go straight into buying/breeding another one who will end up the same.

Of course it's entirely up to you if that's what you want to do - but I would never hand money over to fund that. The authorities are the people to deal with this. Give them a donation and help horses on a larger scale.
 
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