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Ok well this is weird too right?

I rang, not my boyfriend and i said "Hi im just enquiring about your yearling?" and he went "Which one?" anyway i told him blah blah, then he is meeting us in a pub car park? is that weird or....
 
RuthM said:
I look at welfare being to reduce suffering and pain, whether I see the animal or not, know the animal or not, whether heart strings are tugged or not. No matter how adorable (and she is) her suffering is no more (or less) important than the horse the buyer funds to exist even if as they're not seen they are easier to ignore.

Buying like this is supporting this. Buying is always supporting.
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I don't think anyone with a genuine interest in welfare actually needs to see every animal/human/budgerigar that their donations might support or baulk if it goes on other costs - or disagree that complaints about this filly should be forwarded to WHW, BHS etc... There's nothing written in stone to say that no purchase for this filly will stop the breeder in his/her tracks or garner positive changes for horses as a whole... She'd probably end up rotting in a field, dumped or flogged for meat - with the eternal hope that the next one will flip some profit... There's a chance nothing short of being shut down or run over by the #26 bus will stop the foals from coming...

Stupid individuals will continue to churn out babies of one sort or another that might inspire individual intervention despite national organisations working hard to bring overall changes... If someone wants to step in and help one, that's as genuine to me as someone else aiming to help hundreds...
 
I've resent :)

It could be possible that he doesn't want you to see other horses? And/or he doesn't want you to know where he lives?
 
Moomin1 said:
Agree with this, although would stress that the horses SHOULDN'T be removed from the owner before they are reported - the RSPCA/WHW/BHS should see them IN SITU and in the environment they are currently kept in.
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I said this pages back :o They won't care once the horse has been removed and is in a nice safe home.
I'll repeat what others have said and that is don't give this guy any money.
 
She is not in very bad condition. A wormy poor yearling by the looks of her but 'foal' gets the sympathy vote. With a bit of luck the pic is a little old and taken just after winter and she probably looks a lot better now with a bit of grass in her and no winter coat.

I have no doubt this guy is very well know to WHW and RSPCA and nothing will be done except a chat.

Having been part of a rescue pool before when we could not get RSPCA, WFW etc to help a youngster at Appleyby (and this was CS 1 and would have been dead ina few weeks) I would say beware of the following. keep her well isolated and get the vet to check her. The one we bought had strangles and cost a LOT more than the purchase price in vets fees for him and the ones he infected. And yes agree who owns her and who is liable for costs going forward and get insurance. one bad colic and 'owners' argueing over what to do and no insurance - £5000 bill :eek: A lot to split between you all!

Good luck with her :) She has fallen on her feet by the sounds of it :)
 
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Natalieshort said:
Ok well this is weird too right?

I rang, not my boyfriend and i said "Hi im just enquiring about your yearling?" and he went "Which one?" anyway i told him blah blah, then he is meeting us in a pub car park? is that weird or....
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yes, that is weird and i would be staying away.

its best to report the filly rather than buying.
as others have said, its not looking at the bigger picture.

my advice - dont buy pony, report to BHS, WHW or something and keep pestering them.
 
I agree with amy may about one person offering a long term home, finally having overall ownership even if she is bought initially by a group of us. In my experience with welfare agencies (and they do the best they can i'm sure) unless the conditions are dreadful / animals are at deaths door the owners are at best given warnings 1 or 2 revisits and then forgotten about so the situation continues. I expect this little girl will be bought (if not by a forum user or users) by those that break them at 1 and are driven hard in to the ground by 2 or covered by a big cob to foal at 2. I agree with many comments above how many more have been born at this dealers this year and will be the same this time next year but Tilly is there now and could do with a break in her short life.
 
Moomin1 said:
...And so everyone plays right into their hands and fuels this type of situation.

Report it and deal with the situation in the bigger picture.
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so very right, these type of breeders are old hands at putting up pics of sorry looking babies , they are laughing at the well meaning 'rescuers' who are continually buying these foals and funding the whole sorry affair. How many Tillys can you afford to buy? because it won't stop with this one, you buy her and tomorrow there will be another in her place looking just as sad and needy:(
If you want to do something positive for all the Tillys of this world then report the breeder and his alias' to BHS and WHW, try trading standards too as it's obviously a business.
 
She looks like a wormy poor yearling to me that would probably be bought by someone who could see her potential. I find this thread rather odd as the Newforest sales are full of far worse ponies, for sale for less who are almost certainly headed for the meat market...so why is this one so special?
 
so you buy it, who pays for it long term? vets fees, trimming, hay, insurance? even horses at home aren't free to keep (if they are then I'm doing it wrong!)
if you can afford to do the right thing by her, whatever that may be, then go for it but whoever 'buys' her, please don't rely on long term finanacial help from strangers on a forum. madness.
 
peteralfred said:
so you buy it, who pays for it long term? vets fees, trimming, hay, insurance? even horses at home aren't free to keep (if they are then I'm doing it wrong!)
if you can afford to do the right thing by her, whatever that may be, then go for it but whoever 'buys' her, please don't rely on long term finanacial help from strangers on a forum. madness.
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erm excuse me, if i did buy her why would i want people from a forum to help me fund her? In no way did i say this, i can afford her and she would be in my responsibility.
 
peteralfred said:
so you buy it, who pays for it long term? vets fees, trimming, hay, insurance? even horses at home aren't free to keep (if they are then I'm doing it wrong!)
if you can afford to do the right thing by her, whatever that may be, then go for it but whoever 'buys' her, please don't rely on long term finanacial help from strangers on a forum. madness.
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Natalie has already said she can afford to keep her if we buy her :)

Whats the best way putting the £20 into a pay pal or what??
 
I'm assuming that Natalie has the cash available to buy the filly tonight. And then upon proof of purchase, those wishing to donate could do so via a specially set up pay pal account.
 
Ladydragon said:
I don't think anyone with a genuine interest in welfare actually needs to see every animal/human/budgerigar that their donations might support or baulk if it goes on other costs - or disagree that complaints about this filly should be forwarded to WHW, BHS etc... There's nothing written in stone to say that no purchase for this filly will stop the breeder in his/her tracks or garner positive changes for horses as a whole... She'd probably end up rotting in a field, dumped or flogged for meat - with the eternal hope that the next one will flip some profit... There's a chance nothing short of being shut down or run over by the #26 bus will stop the foals from coming...

Stupid individuals will continue to churn out babies of one sort or another that might inspire individual intervention despite national organisations working hard to bring overall changes... If someone wants to step in and help one, that's as genuine to me as someone else aiming to help hundreds...
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Then I take it you'd happily buy a pup from a pup farm? Not worry that it fuels more suffering for ones not yet born, not be concerned it gives others the idea of it's profitability? I take it the most important thing is to save the one you see despite that act funding and supporting those who inflict the suffering?

Let's hope the better nick gelderlander sells as fast or the dealer will certainly learn which side his bread's buttered!

It can take good breeders an age to sell youngstock - just think about it, you know there are plenty looking for a fast buck and what better way than providing sod all and selling to those who care little about where their money goes and more about being a rescuer.

It isn't new, sympathy buyers have funded all kinds of horrors for an age, and it is known/used.
 
Might be daft but how can this be reported with only a mobile number, various names, a vague postcode & a bloke that does business in a pub car park?

I totally agree with not wanting to give this person money & the puppy farm comments BUT if we all had the chance to save one of the horses from Spindles farm before the atrocities that happened........ Not saying this guy is comparable, but......

Ok going back into my box now, Natalieshort, be safe tonight, big hugs, you are very brave xx
 
ElleSkywalker said:
Might be daft but how can this be reported with only a mobile number, various names, a vague postcode & a bloke that does business in a pub car park?

I totally agree with not wanting to give this person money & the puppy farm comments BUT if we all had the chance to save one of the horses from Spindles farm before the atrocities that happened........ Not saying this guy is comparable, but......

Ok going back into my box now, Natalieshort, be safe tonight, big hugs, you are very brave xx
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It would still be in business if all the rescues gave the guys cash and no doubt at all still have some 'out of sight stabling'.
 
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peteralfred said:
well, thats alright then :) lets hope its 'just' a case of a bad worm burden that won't have caused any long term damage and alot of vets bills down the way.
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Most of you are just being boring now. I CAN AFFORD HER AND I CAN AFFORD THE UPBRINGING OF HER. Do people not understand this? vet bills or not.. personally, i dont have anything to pay for! all my money goes on my horses as im very lucky but thats personal. Ive said i can give this little one a loving forever home so whats the problem?
 
A colic op is at least £5000 - get her insured! No use saying it won't happen to me! And believe me worms, strangles and anything else infectious she may have can be a big drain on resources!

You may be a multimillionaire for all we know but from personal experience I know how a sob story can add up!
 
ElleSkywalker said:
Might be daft but how can this be reported with only a mobile number, various names, a vague postcode & a bloke that does business in a pub car park?

I totally agree with not wanting to give this person money & the puppy farm comments BUT if we all had the chance to save one of the horses from Spindles farm before the atrocities that happened........ Not saying this guy is comparable, but......

Ok going back into my box now, Natalieshort, be safe tonight, big hugs, you are very brave xx
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Thankyou Elle, il let everyone know tomorrow! big hugs xxx
 
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