Very Urgent! Parelli, Natural or intelligent horsemanship

Myhorseeatsmoney said:
When you move horses and change their routine you immediately take them out of their comfort zone. Well trained or not they will be totally in new surroundings, with horses they don't know, and without their owner who they trust implicitly even an impeccably behaved 12.2hh pony may behave very differently and novices may think it is being naughty when it isn't just unsettled . Change that pony for a 16.2hh and a 17hh TB's and you need to know what you are doing that's why so many advert's for ex-racers say not for novices.
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load of crap....i can change any one of my horses routines, including the 16:3 exracer who raced 81 races and came out when he was nine and has had a 13 year old jumping him in a snaffle with no problem, at the flick of a switch and they get on with it. Same with anyone can handle them and they get on with it.

its bad training to have a horse so wrapped up in routine and to one be dealt with one way so they cant adapt.

get her to look on the intelligent horsemantship web site, they might have people near her who could help....
 
OP can you find somewhere that does grass livery?
When I had my knee op my mare was turned away but was fed and checked on twice a day minimum by someone she had never met before.
It was cheaper than conventional full livery and I think being turned away was actually good for her mentally.
A good grass livery will check rugs, feed, fly spray etc as necessary.

Meant to add, if you can say roughly what part of the country your in someone might know somewhere near that's suitable.
 
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Thanks for all your suggestions. I am not going to defend parelli, natural horsmanship or traditional BHS methods of training horses. I consider myself to be fairly experienced and an intermediate rider but I have learnt over the years that not all horses respond to the same methods of training either on the ground or when ridden so more options I have the better. I am 5ft 3 inches and disabled and when I first get a new horse I do a lot of training on the ground to earn that horse respect before I will get in the saddle. I don't care where the method came from or how long it takes as long as it works.
 
Can't horses been turned out for a few weeks?
Yard owner could just do daily checks.
Yes they are used to their routine but when you are asking for a favour you make the work as easy as possible, they would be fine out.
 
Has the owner of these horses written a will? I mean Just incase something happens during her OP, has she left any instructions for these screwed up horses?
 
Auslander said:
Why do you think that only Parelli-ites are capable of looking after horses competently? Posts like this are discourteous in the extreme to the countless numbers of professional people who have never raised a carrot stick in their lives, yet manage to run a yard full off happy, well adjusted horses. Narrow minded attitudes like this just widen the divide between those who do Parelli, and those who don't. It's a sad day when true horsemanship is judged by who you follow, not by the well being of the horses in your care.
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Well said

Your friend will surely find suitable yards exist albeit not marketing themselves under this human construct of following a certain ideology. Maybe she should write a list of the priorities for the ideal yard and that may help focus on what is most important not if someone markets their horse skills under a certain banner but is a competent and caring horse professional. Then she can rest assured the horses have all of their key needs met and she can focus on getting well again to enjoy them.
 
Have you thought about posting on a like-minded forum? UK parelli Facebook page maybe? I'm sure there is one. There's a Facebook page for everything these days.
 
It seems that everyone on here has there own different opinion. Like I stated before I don't follow any one school of equitation. I want as big as knowledge base as possible. I am sad to say that I posted the message because I really wanted to help my friend but I won't ask for help again as it is obvious that some of you are only interested in being rude which isn't helpful!

I myself train with a BHS instructor, so where did I state I disagreed with their methods?
 
Myhorseeatsmoney said:
It seems that everyone on here has there own different opinion. Like I stated before I don't follow any one school of equitation. I want as big as knowledge base as possible. I am sad to say that I posted the message because I really wanted to help my friend but I won't ask for help again as it is obvious that some of you are only interested in being rude which isn't helpful!

I myself train with a BHS instructor, so where did I state I disagreed with their methods?
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I think the main thing people are getting defensive is because your friend is saying she only wants a parreli trained person and treat them in an exact way because that is the only way her horses can be happy and parreli is the be all and end all. (In so many words)

Really she should be happy with any experience person knowledgeable and trustworthy enough and willing to take care of her horses.
 
Just tell the YO that the horses are now jointly owned and go and do them yourself. I would also remind YO that If the horses are not cared for she will be held responsible.
 
How far away is the original intended yard and how lame is the horse? If the distance isn/t ridiculous and the horse isn't on 3 legs then in the situation described I'd probably just pop the horse some bute to keep comfortable and do the journey. Not ideal but if it's that vs having nobody to look after them I'd say it's the lesser of 2 evils (If it really is just foot related could always pop a hoof boot on with a thick pad for comfort). Alternatively will one of other liveries not keep an eye on them for a week or so whilst horse recovers enough to travel (even if your friend has to pay for this). Neither situation is ideal but better than her current one. (I could also suggest to rather comical situation of your friend "selling" the horses to you for a pound then buying them back once off that yard but that really would be just to spite the dotty YO and would serve no useful purpose)
 
Maybe I'm misunderstanding the original post but why cant the horses go to the originally intended yard?

By posting on a national forum giving no location and having such a specialist 'requirement' plus the rug checking and lame horse and not a lot of money you arent likely to find someone willing to take them that is much closer

the cynic in me would wonder if the owner would turn up for the horses at the end of the agreed livery term.....
 
zigzag said:
Has the owner of these horses written a will? I mean Just incase something happens during her OP, has she left any instructions for these screwed up horses?
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Wow. Just wow.

OP I hope your friend gets something sorted for her horses. Ignore the posters with chips on their shoulders. :-(
 
Thanks Saddlesore and to those of you who at least tried to be helpful and read my first message correctly.

To the rest of you who used it as an opportunity to just vent, have a good day!

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Myhorseeatsmoney said:
Thanks Saddlesore and to those of you who at least tried to be helpful and read my first message correctly.

To the rest of you who used it as an opportunity to just vent, have a good day!

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I wouldn't say people were venting - more offering advice that your friend may need to be a little more flexible.
 
Could you buy both horses for a pound each, look after them for the fortnight then sell them back to your friend for the same money? Sounds ridiculous but so does the livery yard owner's attitude!
 
It must be awful, facing a big op, having a YO with a heart of stone and needing to put your beloved horses into the care of someone you don't know on a deadline.

All I can say is that she must put herself first - the horses will be fine in a good yard, they may not be kept exactly how she likes but she will soon be up and back in action, you know how fast two weeks pass. In the long term I would move the horses to a yard where someone can step in when an emergency situation arises (but you know this!).
 
Myhorseeatsmoney said:
There are no spare stables now and there is only stable and turnout no grass liveries.
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Must've been a very popular yard since they managed to fill the spaces so quickly! Just a shame your friend cancelled them before having alternative arrangements in place.

What about your yard?

Realistically, your friend is going to have to lower her requirements to get them placed tomorrow. With her current 'must haves' its like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I'd suggest that, barring a miracle and assuming there's space, she move them to the farm with the other liveries and ask them to keep an eye, at least they know them and the other horses. Unless the lameness needs treatment/boxrest? If that's the case then the nearest affordable full livery yard with two spaces will have to do, it's only for a couple of week. 'Holiday livery' is usually more expensive though.
 
For me there are a couple of options. You either bute the mare up and move her, or you go and speak to YO's husband, and explain the situation. Tel him the mare can't be moved, and unless the wife would like to do the horses (and be paid a reasonable rate) then you will have to do them. Legally if the horses aren't cared for in this situation, the YO themselves would be responsible, as they are in fact refusing to allow anyone else to care for them. For heavens sake it is 2 weeks surely she can cope with a 'stranger' ie you, for this time.
Long term I would be looking to move if I were your friend, as would not want to be in that situation.
I will say, you would have been better off not posting that they needed someone with the 'p' word on here, it always puts peoples backs up. If you look at some of the threads on here you will see why.
 
The YO's stipulation that "only owners" allowed on the yard frankly beggars belief. As a YO myself whilst I might object to every Tom Dick or Harry turning up on the place, surely this is an emergency and the owner should be allowed to appoint someone to look after these horses as she's not able to??? FFS!

I find this attitude very puzzling indeed, and unacceptable IMO.

Would it not be possible OP for your friend to perhaps introduce a friend or someone who is willing, in writing if needs be, to take responsiblity for the horses whilst the owner is incapacitated??? Surely it would be easier to leave them at current yard.
 
OP please dont be offended by the replies, they're really quite tame for HHO! :tongue3: Nobody has called you a troll yet either for opening up this particular can of worms. (if you're wondering why they might, search "parelli" on here and read some of the threads!). People have given possible solutions and their (sometimes blunt) opinions, as people will on any thread. The HHO community tends to have little patience with the attitude of wanting a top class service for cheap/free because the horse owner is skint. It's this which will have annoyed many. Never mind the bit about it having to be a top class parelli service, which many will view as a contradiction in terms anyway! TBH your first post reads as if you're cheekily hoping a kind hearted parelli fan will take these horses on for little money rather than as if your friend is looking for a livery yard. I'm not surprised some people have got a little narky with you.

My advice to your friend is to look at local yards, see which have spaces for full livery (or DIY if you are willing to help your friend out with horse care?) and move the horses to one she can afford. If the horses go on full livery they don't even need to be at the same yard, which should help when it comes to finding somewhere with spaces. Then move the horses again to her "ideal" yard after the operation. I realise she won't want to split them up on different yards but its no different to if they were sold to different homes and if she doesn't find another yard soon I guess selling them quickly to a dealer will be her only other option.
 
So can the horses be turned out at the current yard? If so, I think the best solution is to turn both horses out and pay the YO to check every day. It won't harm the horses at all and should be the least stressful thing for your friend, which as she will be recovering from an op is extremely important.
It's ridiculous that the YO won't let someone else on the yard when the owner is ill. I'm not surprised your friend is leaving!
 
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