Vet bills & the hunt.

[blitznbobs]

If the hounds came on your land at all, you have recourse to sue… as it is a ”owner who is not in full control of their animal” causing harm to your property… did anyone “see” a hound or two on your land??

also check their social media footage .. sometimes something useful gets photographed and posted

 

[Marigold4]

I hope your horses are ok. I am right next to a shoot. The guns are ok but the beaters run around waving their plastic flags right beside my fence. The shots fall on my stable roof and on the car and yard. They won’t tell me what day they are coming let alone an approx time. Very selfish.

I daren't use our local bridleways during the shooting season. Yesterday they were shooting right next to a bridleway. No one out warning people so you could just have ridden into 20 guns going off. I just don't get the pleasure of shooting birds specially bred to be shot. Why would anyone want to do this? And pay over £1k per day for the pleasure. Grrrrr. My hunt does let my know when they are around though and I warn others.

 

[GoldenWillow]

I am so, so sorry this has happened to you and have everything crossed that your horse is ok this morning. I've had them go through my field before, although foot pack, and that was bad enough. Are there any hound prints in your field? It would be hard for them to deny having been in there if you can show them photos of prints, it was impossible for the hunt to deny that they'd been through my field as hounds through a wet February horse field left a lot of evidence. Although for me nothing changed, they never let me know when they were coming (neighbouring farmer let me know) until they lost permission to hunt around here due to going through land they shouldn't have been on where heavily in lamb sheep were such was their arrogance.

 

[YourValentine]

Email the hunt and CC in the British Sport Jound Association or whatever the new over sight body is called. They are meant to be enforcing good behaviour, and thats terrible.

Might help, might not.

 

[paddy555]

Hopefully they want to keep people sweet.

sorry but that is cloud cuckoo land.

If they wanted to keep people sweet all it would take is 3 minutes of a phone call beforehand

 

[paddy555]

I daren't use our local bridleways during the shooting season. Yesterday they were shooting right next to a bridleway. No one out warning people so you could just have ridden into 20 guns going off. I just don't get the pleasure of shooting birds specially bred to be shot. Why would anyone want to do this? And pay over £1k per day for the pleasure. Grrrrr. My hunt does let my know when they are around though and I warn others.

it gets more fun when you have the shoot and the hunt together. Couple of weeks ago we had the shoot in the field next to the horses on one side and hounds running through one of the horse's fields on the other side which was a bit strange for a trail hunt. Our fox is definitely no longer with us. He wasn't "my"fox but he was not "theirs" to kill either.

one could hope when we get a labour government hunting would go but then I hoped that last time around.

 

[SEL]

Email the hunt and CC in the British Sport Jound Association or whatever the new over sight body is called. They are meant to be enforcing good behaviour, and thats terrible.

Might help, might not.

Thank you. That's a good idea. I doubt it'll help but I do think they need to understand the disruption hunts cause and the ill feeling in the local community as a result.

Just been having a bit of a panic because my poo picking load is massively down but everyone has left me a present since I've been here and the microcob has stress poo pouring out of her yesterday so I think she'd emptied everything out.

Lameness wise baby cob is sore. Not to the extent where I get the weekend emergency vet out (I know how short staffed they are) but I'm out of danilon so that'll give me a better idea of what's going on later today and then I can call in normal hours tomorrow. Gutted because he's not yet 6 and I need another injured horse like I need a hole in the head

Good idea on checking for prints. My top fields by the copse the hounds were in is wet and still has patches of mud from when the horses were there. The hunt 100% know not to come on my land - they got that message very loud and clear once before.

Still furious. Thanks everyone for letting me rant and being so supportive

 

[Pebble101]

We used to get a note through our door when the bloodhounds were in our area - they are definitely following a trail though.

 

[Bobthecob15]

It’s really frustrating, ours aren’t too bad and do notify us when they are coming nearby so we can keep the horses in…not sure what the answer is because I presume if they advertise when they’re in the area they would get targeted by sabs? Is that why they don’t put notice on facebook etc?

Seems like pot luck whether they tell people or not…assume it’s down to local relationships being good or not? Is there anything yard owners can do?

 

[Indy]

We had a problem in 2018. Terrorised my elderly horses, worried our sheep and caused thousands of pounds of damage to our crops. We only knew because we were going for a walk and saw the hounds in the sheep field. I completely lost the plot. Everyone got it that day, the foot followers who were also trespassing, the field and the quad riders. They came out over a different field, caused more damage but I was waiting for them and literally escorted them back to where they should have been which was about 7 mile away from our farm. The bloke in charge rang up the following day and mumbled a half baked apology and said he wanted to come out to see me. My OH said not a good idea she'll slaughter you. We've had hunt free years after that.

My old pony didn't eat for a week, my old TB had to be buted up and my TB mare kept breaking out into a cold sweat. It still makes the red mist descend even now. Apparently they ran amok that day and a lot of other land owners revoked permission to ride over their land. They never had permission to ride over ours in the first place.

NOA sorry for the rant

 

[meleeka]

We had a problem in 2018. Terrorised my elderly horses, worried our sheep and caused thousands of pounds of damage to our crops. We only knew because we were going for a walk and saw the hounds in the sheep field. I completely lost the plot. Everyone got it that day, the foot followers who were also trespassing, the field and the quad riders. They came out over a different field, caused more damage but I was waiting for them and literally escorted them back to where they should have been which was about 7 mile away from our farm. The bloke in charge rang up the following day and mumbled a half baked apology and said he wanted to come out to see me. My OH said not a good idea she'll slaughter you. We've had hunt free years after that.

My old pony didn't eat for a week, my old TB had to be buted up and my TB mare kept breaking out into a cold sweat. It still makes the red mist descend even now. Apparently they ran amok that day and a lot of other land owners revoked permission to ride over their land. They never had permission to ride over ours in the first place.

NOA sorry for the rant

I’m not surprised you are still angry. All that upset so a minority can enjoy themselves.

 

[Wishfilly]

I hope your horses are ok. I am right next to a shoot. The guns are ok but the beaters run around waving their plastic flags right beside my fence. The shots fall on my stable roof and on the car and yard. They won’t tell me what day they are coming let alone an approx time. Very selfish.

I thought there were rules about shot going on other people's land? I.E basically that it shouldn't happen. I think if the shot is regularly going onto your land it might actually be worth taking legal advice on this.

 

[Wishfilly]

Thank you. That's a good idea. I doubt it'll help but I do think they need to understand the disruption hunts cause and the ill feeling in the local community as a result.

Just been having a bit of a panic because my poo picking load is massively down but everyone has left me a present since I've been here and the microcob has stress poo pouring out of her yesterday so I think she'd emptied everything out.

Lameness wise baby cob is sore. Not to the extent where I get the weekend emergency vet out (I know how short staffed they are) but I'm out of danilon so that'll give me a better idea of what's going on later today and then I can call in normal hours tomorrow. Gutted because he's not yet 6 and I need another injured horse like I need a hole in the head

Good idea on checking for prints. My top fields by the copse the hounds were in is wet and still has patches of mud from when the horses were there. The hunt 100% know not to come on my land - they got that message very loud and clear once before.

Still furious. Thanks everyone for letting me rant and being so supportive

Fingers crossed for your baby cob, hopefully he has just slipped or pulled something and it is easily rectified. If there are any prints or any suggestion they've come on your land, I would imagine that changes the legal position a lot, and a small claims case might have a chance of success.

It's so unfair and callous for them to do this to you and I really hope someone takes your complaint seriously!

We used to get a note through our door when the bloodhounds were in our area - they are definitely following a trail though.

Well, the bloodhounds know where they'll be and aren't worried about people seeing what they're up to...

 

[94lunagem]

declared that he couldn’t be expected to let ‘everyone with an acre and a pony‘ know about the hunt in advance

Well that’s incredibly rude and would have got my back right up!

I get why hunts don’t publish information anymore because of attracting attention from sabs.

It won’t change what happened yesterday but @SEL why not try suggesting your hunt collates an email circulation list of every local landowner or horse owner who have enquired about their whereabouts in the past (or complained about them) and they just send one email, blind copying everyone of course, to advise where they expect to be? Then they don’t have to think about which owners they might or might not need to contact dependent on area, they know you’re coming at it from the point of view of welfare of your own animals rather than rallying up the antis, and I’m sure you’d rather receive an email and delete it if it’s not relevant to your location than nothing.

I don’t have a hunt passing closely past me, nor am I closely involved in hunting circles so I don’t know whether this is a completely ridiculous suggestion. But it seems like a sensible balance?!

 

[Upthecreek]

Whether or not people agree with hunting or shooting, I feel it comes down to basic manners and common courtesy. So many problems could be avoided by giving consideration to how your actions might affect others and communicating with those people. Sadly this seems to be lacking in most of society these days. People are only interested in what they want to do and couldn’t give a toss about anyone else.

 

[Chuffy99]

In a really wet part of Essex the Langley Blood hounds have just galloped up our wide cut verge on a private road and then along a footpath
No notice of them coming and no request for access, they really do themselves no favours

 

[Wishfilly]

In a really wet part of Essex the Langley Blood hounds have just galloped up our wide cut verge on a private road and then along a footpath
No notice of them coming and no request for access, they really do themselves no favours

If they haven't requested access, isn't that trespass etc? As well as damaging your (?) land.

That's obviously not on from anyone, and it's particularly annoying if they've caused a lot of damage on a footpath that others want/need to use.

I do think when it's been so wet, we all need to be considerate in terms of where/how we ride our horses, and leave paths/tracks passable for everyone!

 

[SEL]

Well that’s incredibly rude and would have got my back right up!

I get why hunts don’t publish information anymore because of attracting attention from sabs.

It won’t change what happened yesterday but @SEL why not try suggesting your hunt collates an email circulation list of every local landowner or horse owner who have enquired about their whereabouts in the past (or complained about them) and they just send one email, blind copying everyone of course, to advise where they expect to be? Then they don’t have to think about which owners they might or might not need to contact dependent on area, they know you’re coming at it from the point of view of welfare of your own animals rather than rallying up the antis, and I’m sure you’d rather receive an email and delete it if it’s not relevant to your location than nothing.

I don’t have a hunt passing closely past me, nor am I closely involved in hunting circles so I don’t know whether this is a completely ridiculous suggestion. But it seems like a sensible balance?!

They have phone numbers and email addresses but they won't do a blanket email because they are worried about it getting into the wrong hands. I wouldn't want our roads blocked by sabs either as it happens.

I took a very fired up microcob out today and have decided my email is going to have to include something on the state of bridlepaths - they have not stood up to 40 horses on them.

@Chuffy99 I thought the blood hounds were supposed to know where they were going!!

 

[Wishfilly]

They have phone numbers and email addresses but they won't do a blanket email because they are worried about it getting into the wrong hands. I wouldn't want our roads blocked by sabs either as it happens.

I took a very fired up microcob out today and have decided my email is going to have to include something on the state of bridlepaths - they have not stood up to 40 horses on them.

@Chuffy99 I thought the blood hounds were supposed to know where they were going!!

How bad (for want of a better word) are sabs in your area? I'd accept this in an area where there is a very large, active sab group. However, in my area "sabs" usually amount to a couple of monitors with a camera and maybe one-two cars. However, local hunts still use them as an excuse not to contact people- including people who would never pass information on anyway. It does make you wonder that they are so worried about being caught on camera.

I think, given how wet it's been this winter, any large groups of riders have to seriously consider the state they are leaving tracks etc in- especially anything that's shared use.

I'm also not convinced that 40 horses + dogs travelling down a bridle path with no signs/notice is very safe! What happens if they meet a dog walker coming the other way?

Hope your other pony is doing okay as well.

 

[Ditchjumper2]

In a really wet part of Essex the Langley Blood hounds have just galloped up our wide cut verge on a private road and then along a footpath
No notice of them coming and no request for access, they really do themselves no favours

I know they are a new pack but they have experienced people who assist. I would be feeding that back as am not quite sure what their set up is.

 

[Bellaboo18]

This is so infuriating.
I always email the hunt secretary at the start of the season. I give my address and contact details. They always say they'll contact us with the dates of the meets and they never do. Honestly they deserve an outright ban for their lack of respect for other people's animals if nothing else. You'd think given its not exactly the most popular sport they'd try and keep as many people on side as possible.

Hope your horses are OK x

 

[SEL]

How bad (for want of a better word) are sabs in your area? I'd accept this in an area where there is a very large, active sab group. However, in my area "sabs" usually amount to a couple of monitors with a camera and maybe one-two cars. However, local hunts still use them as an excuse not to contact people- including people who would never pass information on anyway. It does make you wonder that they are so worried about being caught on camera.

I think, given how wet it's been this winter, any large groups of riders have to seriously consider the state they are leaving tracks etc in- especially anything that's shared use.

I'm also not convinced that 40 horses + dogs travelling down a bridle path with no signs/notice is very safe! What happens if they meet a dog walker coming the other way?

Hope your other pony is doing okay as well.

I haven't seen a single sab in the past 10 years!!

Given I had no idea the hunt were out yesterday I could well have met them out on the microcob. That would have been interesting "Thelwell goes hunting" for real

Baby cob is lame now the Bute has worn off sadly so vet call in the morning. Got my OH to video the trot up so I'll email it over and see what they say. Then the hunt and I will have a conversation about liability.

 

[TGM]

In a really wet part of Essex the Langley Blood hounds have just galloped up our wide cut verge on a private road and then along a footpath
No notice of them coming and no request for access, they really do themselves no favours

The Langley Bloodhounds are a very new bloodhound pack, but they should have their act together on rights of access. I suggest you email the hunt with photos of the damage, explaining that they have no right of access on the private road or on the public footpath. It would also be a good idea to cc this email to the Masters of Draghounds and Bloodhounds Association on the following email: mastersdraghoundsbloodhounds@gmail.com The newly formed bloodhound packs are basically 'on probation' with the MDBA and any transgressions should be reported to them.

 

[sarcasm_queen]

I thought there were rules about shot going on other people's land? I.E basically that it shouldn't happen. I think if the shot is regularly going onto your land it might actually be worth taking legal advice on this.

There are. That doesn’t stop the local shooters standing in the field opposite us, 10 yards from the road. Very eagerly counting down the days until they stop.

 

[maya2008]

I prefer our local shoots to the hunt. The local woods have a shoot - signs up on the trails leading to that area, shooting days well advertised. The local farm shoot - one of the guys who works for them usually tries to catch us hacking or will drive up to say hi when they are due. So with both shoots we are well informed and can keep our ponies safe. I mean, I don’t understand why they want to stand there and shoot birds, but at least they try not to be dangerous to the local populace while doing so.

I hope the vet visit throws up something minor and easily fixed SEL. I would definitely copy your email to the hunt’s regulatory body. Then kick up a fuss with them when you get ignored…

 

[Dave's Mam]

I hope all ponies are ok!

 

[BronsonNutter]

Is it worth contacting your neighbour to ask them to contact you with the dates which the hunt will be on their land at the beginning of the season? That is how we used to always find out when the hunt was passing by the livery yard when I lived down south - the lady over the road who used to host them used to pop in and give us the dates at the beginning of the season. I wouldn't necessarily rely on the hunt having knowledge of who owns horses in the immediate vicinity of all of their hunting country, even though you'd hope they'd spot horses when going round checking the land pre-meet...

 

[Pinkvboots]

I hope your horses are ok. I am right next to a shoot. The guns are ok but the beaters run around waving their plastic flags right beside my fence. The shots fall on my stable roof and on the car and yard. They won’t tell me what day they are coming let alone an approx time. Very selfish.

Sounds a bit like the shoot near me they shoot right along my boundary fence and never let me know, had birds go down in my field and their dogs they don't care they are so rude.

 

[Landcruiser]

Grrrrrr, these bloody entitled people! My local hunt have actually bucked their ideas up re contacting people (well, me, anyway) when they are going to be in the area after I tore into the Master (via email) last year. My youngster was on box rest after stifle surgery, I happened to be on the yard wondering why the horses were so wound up, soon realised it was the hunt out. Then the hounds blatantly crossed my field only 50M from the stables, before running up the back of the stables. The hunt horses cantered up the tarmac road on the other side of stables. My young mare and the two oldies went balistic - I was bloody livid. They caused carnage that day and police were involved, and it was all over local social media too. Every time I see these stories I wonder why we still tolerate it.

 

[poiuytrewq]

This is so bad, It really annoys me.
They don't even need to phone individually, it takes seconds to add an email address to the list and send a warning email round. It did take our local hunt a fair time to get their head around this! I met the master at a wedding and had a word, since that day I've had an email if they are likely to be anywhere near us, just a standard send to all type thing but that's all that's needed.
It's not rocket science is it ffs

Hope your horses are ok today.