Video of my horse lunging...have a giggle!

What the heck have various horse charities got to do with THIS thread? I do not understand these ridiculous comparisons.

Yes of course because I think that this is an odd 'giggle' by a professional horsewoman that can't see her horse is complaining about something I OBVIOUSLY don't care about neglected horses elsewhere?!?

I am not suggesting this horse is neglected, near death, call the RSPCA. I am suggesting that this very young pro may need to rethink her practices before posting videos that are linked to her business. Sensible advice surely?
 
Shysmum said:
It just makes me so sad. The post about the ponies found in Wales barely caused a trickle of interest, the rescue centers are over flowing, once loved ponies are being to sent to god knows where, to be killed god knows how - and end up in Tesco.. Breeding is out of control, passporting ...I just do not get HHO's sometimes :(
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I totally agree. I think people often do get more involved when the "perpetrator" is able to be shot at directly. But just to throw a curve ball in here (and this is not about the OP as an individual, but about this situation in general) I actually DO consider it "abuse" when horses that are (IMO) struggling to do what's asked of them are being misunderstood/ignored and christened silly or awkward. And when the trainer is offering professional services, its understandable that people become more direct with their opinions.
The thing is, I'm not sure you can view either case in isolation? There's a cycle -bad trainers damage more horses than they make good. Damaged horses fall in to a downward spiral and make up a large percentage of that low end market - where the cruelty cases tend to exist. So I speak out when I see this because a) I don't think any horses deserves to be ignored when uncomfortable and b) because I genuinely see situations like this becoming welfare cases -albeit 10 years later when the results of the poor training methods of today mean a horse has no use and is left as skin and bone in a field......
 
Billie1007 said:
What the heck have various horse charities got to do with THIS thread? I do not understand these ridiculous comparisons.

Yes of course because I think that this is an odd 'giggle' by a professional horsewoman that can't see her horse is complaining about something I OBVIOUSLY don't care about neglected horses elsewhere?!?

I am not suggesting this horse is neglected, near death, call the RSPCA. I am suggesting that this very young pro may need to rethink her practices before posting videos that are linked to her business. Sensible advice surely?
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^^ this.
 
Sensible advice maybe but perhaps the way things are advised need addressing. Instead of suggesting that the horse found the pessoa to tight, many, not all, decided to launch at attack on the op decision to use the equipment, how it was used, how unhappy her horse is. Then not content to leave it there they then drag up numerous irrelevant videos, slag off the op as a rider, be little her business, and then to top it off add the death of her horse to the mix.
Advice is one thing. Damn right nastiness is another
 
Billie1007 said:
What the heck have various horse charities got to do with THIS thread? I do not understand these ridiculous comparisons.

Yes of course because I think that this is an odd 'giggle' by a professional horsewoman that can't see her horse is complaining about something I OBVIOUSLY don't care about neglected horses elsewhere?!?

I am not suggesting this horse is neglected, near death, call the RSPCA. I am suggesting that this very young pro may need to rethink her practices before posting videos that are linked to her business. Sensible advice surely?
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Spot on advice I'd say. Those aren't videos I'd use to promote my business but OP is very young; she'll learn.
 
Norfolk Pie - good post.

All I am saying is that it would be great if posts regarding welfare were debated as hard as some other posts are, and generated as much energy and interest. Just an observation, I am not championing charities (you may be be surprised on my views tbh), or saying we should just give money, just the whole goddamn awful state of equine welfare in this country.
 
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Shysmum said:
Norfolk Pie - good post.

All I am saying is that it would be great if posts regarding welfare were debated as hard as some other posts are, and generated as much energy and interest.
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Is that not because there isnt a lot to debate when people post about animals near to death being rescued because everyone knows its terrible and feel for the poor animals? Whereas this sort of thing is going to attract people who feel very strongly that the girl is the work of the devil while others think she is just young and impressionable?
 
Perhaps this thread has gone off on a tangent.

An unpleasant one. My intention was always to point out the error I saw... especially after a title such as "Video of my horse lunging - have a giggle!".

I found nothing to giggle about. It's definitely not a welfare case, no, but it was worth speaking up against the many who thought it WAS indeed FUNNY!

I have no interest in the history of posters, I was shocked to find out she was a professional. Perhaps, it was meant to be that she posted the video. Hopefully, if she is young as some of you have said, she will learn from this and rise up much better.

I'm afraid, as easy as it is to walk away from threads that are building a pedestal for the OP, sometimes, you feel a responsibility to say something if you see something is wrong. If it helps, then great.

As for welfare threads not getting enough response, what do you suggest people do about dying ponies who are miles away? I am sure many of us donate to equine charities and do our bit for horses and ponies where-ever we can. However, we have to accept that we cannot help every single rescue case. Even a reply such as "oh thats terrible" might help the publicity and thread count but what help is it in real life?

Also, it has nothing to do with this thread about a horse being lunged incorrectly. Whether or not the fans of the OP agree or not is also nothing to do with them. If a member of a forum decides to post a reply, that is what it is and members are free to discuss what they see/read.
 
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charlie76 said:
I also agree with the disgraceful tone of many posters on this thread. Have you seriously not got better things to do than travel the web for videos.
Bringing the death of the horse into it is disgusting.
So she put the pessoa on too tight. So what, hardly rspca abuse !. None of her horses look beaten or under fed. Honestly.
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Was about to say the same. Absolutely disgusted by the posters who have brought up the subject of the mare she lost. Words completely fail me...

How about some of you climb down from the moral high ground, put yourself in her shoes, and think about how the OP must feel to read the things you have posted. Shame on the lot of you...
 
Anything you say will be remembered and used against you on numerous occasions, with little relevance, for forever more... This is why I daren't post a video!
 
Thank you for everyones comments, good and bad. I don't mind people posting their opinions on here, everyone is entitled to them, some people find it amusing, others not so which is fair enough!

From this video I agree he doesnt look relaxed, its the first 1:30 mins of him on the lunge, he does come out like a ticking time bomb and does take a while to relax in the arena as he is a spooky boy! He had already been on the walker to warm up for 5mins because I know this is his trick when lunging so don't want him to pull anything.

Bringing other videos into it did make me giggle :D please read all my descriptions though as all is explained in there.

Boo is good after his massage this weekend and....nothing was wrong with him :) he is a weird old shape of a horse and never looks great when working as he has such a high head carriage! Hence his nickname of "the big grey goose"! :p

But thank you for pointing out your concerns, just to let you all know I have took them on board but as I know my horse better than anyone, I always know what is right and what is wrong

So your mind can rest now :)
 
RCP Equestrian said:
Thank you for everyones comments, good and bad. I don't mind people posting their opinions on here, everyone is entitled to them, some people find it amusing, others not so which is fair enough!

From this video I agree he doesnt look relaxed, its the first 1:30 mins of him on the lunge, he does come out like a ticking time bomb and does take a while to relax in the arena as he is a spooky boy! He had already been on the walker to warm up for 5mins because I know this is his trick when lunging so don't want him to pull anything.

Bringing other videos into it did make me giggle :D please read all my descriptions though as all is explained in there.

Boo is good after his massage this weekend and....nothing was wrong with him :) he is a weird old shape of a horse and never looks great when working as he has such a high head carriage! Hence his nickname of "the big grey goose"! :p

But thank you for pointing out your concerns, just to let you all know I have took them on board but as I know my horse better than anyone, I always know what is right and what is wrong

So your mind can rest now :)
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I haven't commented before because frankly I am not qualified to judge. I did want to say I was impressed at how you've taken this. I haven't followed the entire thread but I could see where it was going, and it's understandable that people might voice concerns about what they see, albeit it's just a snapshot. (PS I wouldn't dismiss people out of hand either, as maybe some on here are pretty experienced, who knows.) But that is always a danger in posting a vid which doesn't show the horse working or behaving perfectly.

I couldn't ever say that I always know what's right or wrong about my horse though, as I realise there are people way more qualified to assess that, including profressionally qualified people, although I'd probably go to them first for an opinion ;)
 
By bringing all the other stuff into it, I think it's rather diluted the original message here :( Which is a shame as (imo) it's a good one. This thread reminds me why I suffer from a little known psychological condition called "Pessoa rage" which surfaces every time I see one used to force a horse into an uncomfortable outline.

tallyho! said:
Sorry but that Pessoa is far too tight in front. Bordering on rollkur if you ask me.

I see one unhappy horse. Nothing silly about it but the owner.
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Unfortunately, being young the OP is of the opinion that she knows best and the personal insults are just supporting the idea of this as a personal attack on her. That's not helpful to anybody, least of all the horse in the OP.
 
Bernster said:
I haven't commented before because frankly I am not qualified to judge. I did want to say I was impressed at how you've taken this. I haven't followed the entire thread but I could see where it was going, and it's understandable that people might voice concerns about what they see, albeit it's just a snapshot. (PS I wouldn't dismiss people out of hand either, as maybe some on here are pretty experienced, who knows.) But that is always a danger in posting a vid which doesn't show the horse working or behaving perfectly.

I couldn't ever say that I always know what's right or wrong about my horse though, as I realise there are people way more qualified to assess that, including profressionally qualified people, although I'd probably go to them first for an opinion ;)
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Thanks for that :)

Opinions are opinions, everyone has them and they are all different! I have mine and others have theirs, some people voice theirs, some don't!

Its part and parcel of being involved in a forum so I was expecting it, and if you can't take it don't give it! :D but I am professional and I can take it, that's how you get better.

But nasty comments and bringing other things in that has nothing to do with anything I just ignore because at the end of the day I would be as bad as them if I were to retaliate!

Everyone is still learning and no one is perfect....apart from Boo :D :p
 
JFTD said:
By bringing all the other stuff into it, I think it's rather diluted the original message here :( Which is a shame as (imo) it's a good one. This thread reminds me why I suffer from a little known psychological condition called "Pessoa rage" which surfaces every time I see one used to force a horse into an uncomfortable outline.




Unfortunately, being young the OP is of the opinion that she knows best and the personal insults are just supporting the idea of this as a personal attack on her. That's not helpful to anybody, least of all the horse in the OP.
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I don't know best and have actually taken on board it possibly might be too tight, he's always worked in it on this length before and relaxes into it very well (after the freshness has gone!) but like I have said nest time, I will loosen it and see how he goes, no harm in trying :)
 
RCP Equestrian said:
I don't know best and have actually taken on board it possibly might be too tight, he's always worked in it on this length before and relaxes into it very well (after the freshness has gone!) but like I have said nest time, I will loosen it and see how he goes, no harm in trying :)
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Fair play for that then. I'm not a big fan of pessoas so personally would probably burn it in a funeral pyre-based ceremony rather than loosen it :D But if you loosen it so he can move forwards and stretch down in a more relaxed frame, I hope you will see a difference :)
 
This does not show him with it fully on this was just the warm up I have it a lot longer than the OP has on her video. Its the length his mum had it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqNw-iafSWM

I just want a low straight neck outline not head in the chest type.

I want his neck parallel to his withers. I do not like to see horses with heads forced in. Like draw reins do , very very rarely I use draw reins if he is in a *giraffe mood* that is prob once or twice a year max.
 
Op, I think everything has been said that needs to on this thread about your video... but... your website needs a bloomin' good proof read! ;-)
 
JFTD said:
Fair play for that then. I'm not a big fan of pessoas so personally would probably burn it in a funeral pyre-based ceremony rather than loosen it :D But if you loosen it so he can move forwards and stretch down in a more relaxed frame, I hope you will see a difference :)
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Haha I'll be joining in that ceremony after this! :D

Thanks, will try it, I haven't been using it that long to be honest so I'm open to CC :p

Now he's "fixed" I will just be riding anyway....I prefer it tbh! :D
 
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