Vote a p mccoy for sports personality - tonight!

Cocobeans said:
I haven't read all this thread but wondered if anyone knew why our WEG teams weren't mentioned in the programme?
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It was because Zara didn't compete in the eventing. If she had, it would have been all over the news, and would probably have received a mention during the awards show. People say she has drawn a lot of interest to the sport, but it is ONLY when she is competing herself. Mind you, when Badders XC was shown in its entirety live on BBC2 a few years ago, the BBC got a number of complaints because of the amount of coverage. That was when Zara WAS competing. Sadly, the days of equestrianism getting decent airtime on terrestrial television are long gone.
 
Over2You said:
Looks like you have yet to grasp the concept of basic punctuation. That as well as not being able to spell properly. Commas are used to separate sentence elements. Therefore, my sentence did NOT state that two-year-old horses are jump raced. Your desperate attempts to split hairs will NEVER bother me.
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Oh do get off your high horse,and stop nitpicking, iam too old and knackered for english lessons thank you!Nothing desperate about me sweet pea.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
Oh do get off your high horse,and stop nitpicking, iam too old and knackered for english lessons thank you!Nothing desperate about me sweet pea.
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It has been many moons since I was at school. Yet, I still make an effort to spell and punctuate properly. I think it is called having standards. I am also sick of the countless posts on the internet which are more like undecipherable alien codes than English. I blame sheer laziness and that horrendous 'text speak' for today's illiteracy.

Here is a link you might find useful.

http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/toolbar/ie/index.html
 
Over2You said:
It has been many moons since I was at school. Yet, I still make an effort to spell and punctuate properly. I think it is called having standards. I am also sick of the countless posts on the internet which are more like undecipherable alien codes than English. I blame sheer laziness and that horrendous 'text speak' for today's illiteracy.

Here is a link you might find useful.

http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/toolbar/ie/index.html
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Considering i only have one working hand to type with i reckon i cope pretty well!!
 
Oh, good grief, I'm hyperventilating now, I really would never in my wildest dreams have imagined agreeing with Rosie and Pastie... and yet, here I am:eek:
O2Y, you are one of a kind and it is not the kind I like.
 
I was delighted that Tony won SPOTY - he really deserved it. He is the best jockey of his time, quite possibly of all time.

I don't think racing is cruel. The majority of people who are in it work very hard, for long hours, for very little money. They do it for the love of the horse.

The use of the whip is very tightly regulated. AP said in interview the other week that if the whip were banned - he would be able to manage perfectly without it but that it was useful as an aid.

It is very easy to look at something and have an opinion without being in full possession of the facts. It is easy to say 'I don't like the look of this so it is cruel and should be banned'.

People did that with hunting - the ban hasn't helped the welfare of the fox at all.

If you ban racing - as well as the thousands of people that would be out of a job - you would likely see the end of the thoroughbred. Then what?

People could look at every discipline and find fault; dressage is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles doing funny moves. Showjumping is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles jumping things. Eventing then would surely go because it's a combination of both of those plus cross country which is galloping the horse over fixed obstacles.

Endurance - poor horse has to walk/trot/canter for miles. Showing - horse spends it's time being tarted up to look pretty. I think even hacking would end up coming in for criticism because surely it's cruel actually sitting on an animal and making him do something you want him to do.

I can't bear some of the attitudes on here because if you follow them to their natural conclusion - there would be no animals left because people wouldn't be let near them at all.
 
Over2You said:
It has been many moons since I was at school. Yet, I still make an effort to spell and punctuate properly. I think it is called having standards. I am also sick of the countless posts on the internet which are more like undecipherable alien codes than English. I blame sheer laziness and that horrendous 'text speak' for today's illiteracy.

Here is a link you might find useful.

http://www.google.com/intl/en_uk/toolbar/ie/index.html
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wot is thislinkto do wiv me-b is it edukashun?
 
A1fie said:
I was delighted that Tony won SPOTY - he really deserved it. He is the best jockey of his time, quite possibly of all time.

I don't think racing is cruel. The majority of people who are in it work very hard, for long hours, for very little money. They do it for the love of the horse.

The use of the whip is very tightly regulated. AP said in interview the other week that if the whip were banned - he would be able to manage perfectly without it but that it was useful as an aid.

It is very easy to look at something and have an opinion without being in full possession of the facts. It is easy to say 'I don't like the look of this so it is cruel and should be banned'.

People did that with hunting - the ban hasn't helped the welfare of the fox at all.

If you ban racing - as well as the thousands of people that would be out of a job - you would likely see the end of the thoroughbred. Then what?

People could look at every discipline and find fault; dressage is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles doing funny moves. Showjumping is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles jumping things. Eventing then would surely go because it's a combination of both of those plus cross country which is galloping the horse over fixed obstacles.

Endurance - poor horse has to walk/trot/canter for miles. Showing - horse spends it's time being tarted up to look pretty. I think even hacking would end up coming in for criticism because surely it's cruel actually sitting on an animal and making him do something you want him to do.

I can't bear some of the attitudes on here because if you follow them to their natural conclusion - there would be no animals left because people wouldn't be let near them at all.
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Well said. This post is about the genius called A.P.McCoy and how the public have acknowledged his hard work, dedication, ability and the fact that he is an example to us all. Those that want to argue about spelling and boiling heads, go and do it somewhere else - preferably a playground -and let those who admire A.P.'s talents enjoy his very well deserved success.
 
A1fie said:
I was delighted that Tony won SPOTY - he really deserved it. He is the best jockey of his time, quite possibly of all time.

I don't think racing is cruel. The majority of people who are in it work very hard, for long hours, for very little money. They do it for the love of the horse.

The use of the whip is very tightly regulated. AP said in interview the other week that if the whip were banned - he would be able to manage perfectly without it but that it was useful as an aid.

It is very easy to look at something and have an opinion without being in full possession of the facts. It is easy to say 'I don't like the look of this so it is cruel and should be banned'.

People did that with hunting - the ban hasn't helped the welfare of the fox at all.

If you ban racing - as well as the thousands of people that would be out of a job - you would likely see the end of the thoroughbred. Then what?

People could look at every discipline and find fault; dressage is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles doing funny moves. Showjumping is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles jumping things. Eventing then would surely go because it's a combination of both of those plus cross country which is galloping the horse over fixed obstacles.

Endurance - poor horse has to walk/trot/canter for miles. Showing - horse spends it's time being tarted up to look pretty. I think even hacking would end up coming in for criticism because surely it's cruel actually sitting on an animal and making him do something you want him to do.

I can't bear some of the attitudes on here because if you follow them to their natural conclusion - there would be no animals left because people wouldn't be let near them at all.
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NONE of the other disciplines you mentioned have claimed anywhere near as many lives as racing. I have NEVER heard of a dressage horse dying during a test. I have watched hundreds upon hundreds of hours of show jumping over the past twenty-or-so years, and can literally count on one hand the number of fatalities I have been witness to. Does eventing kill more than 200-horses a year? Do racehorses get multiple veterinary checks during a race? If they did, many of them would not die of heart attacks.

Did you know your beloved AP has had FOURTEEN horses die under him since 1997? For a list of their names, visit: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_horse//2403//

Also this: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/AA/HOME/ALL/600/

Do NOT trash Animal Aid. It actually praises some jockeys, but not McCoy for some glaringly obvious reason.
 
Over2You said:
NONE of the other disciplines you mentioned have claimed anywhere near as many lives as racing. I have NEVER heard of a dressage horse dying during a test. I have watched hundreds upon hundreds of hours of show jumping over the past twenty-or-so years, and can literally count on one hand the number of fatalities I have been witness to. Does eventing kill more than 200-horses a year? Do racehorses get multiple veterinary checks during a race? If they did, many of them would not die of heart attacks.

Did you know your beloved AP has had FOURTEEN horses die under him since 1997? For a list of their names, visit: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_horse//2403//

Also this: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/AA/HOME/ALL/600/

Do NOT trash Animal Aid. It actually praises some jockeys, but not McCoy for some glaringly obvious reason.
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You are quite right over2you, horses do die in all sports, people die aswell. Lets all give up and listen to Animal Aid. Because they as an organisation have no bias at all, their jounalism is sensational and of course, would appeal to a silly woman like you.
 
Ok Over2You, so say racing is banned. What do you propose we do with the thousands of horses left behind? They won't all go to spiffing homes with a loving owner to pat their nose and braid the manes, so what do you think we should do with them all?

The billions racing makes for the economy - where do you propose we get that income from? The thousands who work in racing, namely the stable staff - what do you propose we do with them?

Racing is regulated as tightly as it has ever been, animal welfare has never been higher. The standards of at home and at course care for the horses in second to none - they recieve better vet care than any of my horses would get, because I'd never be able to afford it. Racing isn't ever going to go away, so I'd stop reading Animal Aids sensationalist journalism and get over the fact that racing is here to stay. The success of McCoy in SPOTY proves that.
 
Over2You said:
NONE of the other disciplines you mentioned have claimed anywhere near as many lives as racing. I have NEVER heard of a dressage horse dying during a test. I have watched hundreds upon hundreds of hours of show jumping over the past twenty-or-so years, and can literally count on one hand the number of fatalities I have been witness to. Does eventing kill more than 200-horses a year? Do racehorses get multiple veterinary checks during a race? If they did, many of them would not die of heart attacks.

Did you know your beloved AP has had FOURTEEN horses die under him since 1997? For a list of their names, visit: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/NEWS/news_horse//2403//

Also this: http://www.animalaid.org.uk/h/n/AA/HOME/ALL/600/

Do NOT trash Animal Aid. It actually praises some jockeys, but not McCoy for some glaringly obvious reason.
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All equestrian sports cause death either directly or indirectly. Less horses die eventing but then considerably less horses compete than in racing so the figures are not comparable. Also the other sports are not televised as much or reported to the same extent in the media so the figures are not so much in the public eye. How can you do multiple veterinary checks during a race any more than mid xc or sj round or in the middle of a dressage test? Not necessary or practical. Also, to put into perspective the amount of horses that have died with A.P., 14 horses from well in excess of ELEVEN THOUSAND rides is not so extreme.
We get the message that you don't like racing. There are many, both human and equine, that love it so accept it and move on. Animals die in many worse situations with extreme suffering. They are the ones we should all be concerned about.
 
im so pleased he won. I went to watch racing for the first time ever at Cheltenham 2 weeks ago and it was the best day ive ever had, I really hope I can work in the racing business one day. We shouted hello at Tony and he waved back and was so nice, x
 
Over2You said:
That was hilarious!! Resorting to sarcasm now you can not provide a shred of evidence to contradict ANY of the facts I have stated??
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Do you know,you are a vile and sad person-you need to lighten up or your Christmas will be equally as sad,also what is this evidence you keep harping on about, do you find cheer in carrying on like you are-all i can say is i know from alot of experience about racing, especially NH,nothing to do with your "evidence". i'm getting bored now with your rubbish so i bid thee farewell and a happy Christmas!
 
nativetyponies said:
jamie gray had far more than 14 in less than a year..and he doesnt even fking ride..

i suggest you, and your propaganda machine..that is if you can get anyone to take your campaign seriously, go out and target the REAL perpertrators of horse "cruelty"/"murder" or whatever else you evangelical types like to call it

Do NOT trash Animal Aid?..why ever not?
This country prides itself on free speech, does it not?
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NP, you can't educate pork, so you might as well let it stew!!
 
rosiefronfelen said:
Do you know,you are a vile and sad person-you need to lighten up or your Christmas will be equally as sad,also what is this evidence you keep harping on about, do you find cheer in carrying on like you are-all i can say is i know from alot of experience about racing, especially NH,nothing to do with your "evidence". i'm getting bored now with your rubbish so i bid thee farewell and a happy Christmas!
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Actually, my Christmas will be very happy. I have lots of friends in the real world, not to mention a big family. I will certainly not be thinking of you. Also, with all the rude remarks you have dished out, you are the last person to be calling anybody else "vile." Pot calling the kettle black springs to mind. You also seem to think the racing industry is wonderful and rosy. There are mountains of evidence and facts to suggest otherwise.

You were getting bored with my rubbish? I was thinking the same about yours.

Goodbye!
 
pastie2 said:
You are clearly emotive of an industry that you dont have a clue about. What about the breeding of ponies on the hills that dont have any chance at all, only to be slaughtered and fed to zoo animals. I have been involved in racing most of my life, the horses have a life that suits them with people that understand them. I am sick and tired of people slagging off racing. Look at the big picture, where there are horses there are idiots, in every spectrum. No horse be it a plodder to a racehorse is safe from ignorance or cruelty.
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On the contrary, I know quite a lot about the racing world. I will forgive your intended insult as you seem to be passionate in its defence. Racing is undoubtedly exciting, challenging and skillful - what Mr McCoy does is done very well - all I am questioning is whether it SHOULD be done in that particular way.

I am well aware that thousands of horses are kept for no other purpose than racing and that while they are racing, they have a pretty good life but a life that I would equate to a plastic product going through a modern factory when I would prefer handmade craftsmanship.

If you are fed with folks critisizing without all the information you think they need - then I am just as insensed by people like you trying to justify one abuse by exposing another. Use of the whip is wrong. Stupid over breeding is wrong. However; if I was to compare the two in a cold light - I would side with the treatment of pony left completely wild on the moors -it's more akin to nature even it's shot for meat in the end as no one has hit it, kept it banged up etc., during its life.

I agree that there are abuses everywhere - I can't stop any of them but I can offer my opinion in the hope it might influence someone. The journey of a thousand miles begins with the first step.
 
teagreen said:
Ok Over2You, so say racing is banned. What do you propose we do with the thousands of horses left behind? They won't all go to spiffing homes with a loving owner to pat their nose and braid the manes, so what do you think we should do with them all?

The billions racing makes for the economy - where do you propose we get that income from? The thousands who work in racing, namely the stable staff - what do you propose we do with them?

Racing is regulated as tightly as it has ever been, animal welfare has never been higher. The standards of at home and at course care for the horses in second to none - they recieve better vet care than any of my horses would get, because I'd never be able to afford it. Racing isn't ever going to go away, so I'd stop reading Animal Aids sensationalist journalism and get over the fact that racing is here to stay. The success of McCoy in SPOTY proves that.
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I feel that I am straddling both camps here. I do not campaign for the abolition of Racing - I have merely pointed out Mr McCoy's obvious and undoubted misuse of the whip.

Yes, racing is exciting, it makes a lot of money for the economy and livelioods depend on it but that is no excuse. Reforms have been made - but I would counter that by saying only after most in the industry were brought kicking and screaming into the modern world.

Use of the whip is deeply engrained in the industry - woebetide a jockey that doesn't pick up and looses - it's a steward's enquiry at the least, owners, trainers and punters baying outside. So it needs a firm hand to bring changes about.

Ban the whip. I also question sitting on two year olds but that will ne pushing my luck as the greatest speed is accomplished only in the young - at a cost.
 
rosiefronfelen said:
Pastie2 these ignoramouses are not worth writing about,Monty Roberts? well that says it all and how progress has progressed, backwards!!!
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Without dwelling too much on personal attributes - do expand your conjecture that anyone with views presumably in opposition to yours are "ignoramouses" - ignorant of what may I ask - you will find me a more than adequate debating partner in many subjects from Nuclear Physics to Mycology with around fifty years detailed experience as an owner and rider.

Do tell how Monty Roberts has progressed backwards. I don't particularly like the man but his ideas are good.
 
Alec Swan said:
This thread started out as a celebration of the greatest jump jockey, of all time, and a brilliant ambassador, for the sport of kings. It has become an embarrassment.

Is simple decency, so completely lacking?

Alec.
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We are discussing the indecent amount of horse thrashing this man has done - in public!
 
Over2You said:
I am sorry, but is this not the same rider who has been banned multiple times for abusing the whip? I bet they never received a mention during the show. That would be like them awarding it to a racing driver who had been banned several times because of reckless driving. How typical of the BBC.
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It's actually the public who voted for him - not the BBC so it would appear the an awful lot of people don't agree with you. We voted three times in our house.
 
Over2You said:
It was because Zara didn't compete in the eventing. If she had, it would have been all over the news, and would probably have received a mention during the awards show. People say she has drawn a lot of interest to the sport, but it is ONLY when she is competing herself. Mind you, when Badders XC was shown in its entirety live on BBC2 a few years ago, the BBC got a number of complaints because of the amount of coverage. That was when Zara WAS competing. Sadly, the days of equestrianism getting decent airtime on terrestrial television are long gone.
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Horsey sport is toff sport and does not suit the polyunsaturated organic treehugging leftish yoghurt knitters now in charge of the BBC!

The Royal connection is only tolerated because it can be used as a counterbalance.
 
A1fie said:
The use of the whip is very tightly regulated. AP said in interview the other week that if the whip were banned - he would be able to manage perfectly without it but that it was useful as an aid.
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Good! Let's ban it today!!!

It is very easy to look at something and have an opinion without being in full possession of the facts. It is easy to say 'I don't like the look of this so it is cruel and should be banned'.

People did that with hunting - the ban hasn't helped the welfare of the fox at all.
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The Hunting Act was passed as a blatant lefty hissyfit at the percieved toffs on horses - and that is why it has failed - they forgot the thousands of "ordinary" folks who join in. Of course, that said, you also have to consider that thousands of ordinary folks liked to see Bearbating and Cockfights both of which are banned and that not many people would want to see even if they were allowed. Dog fights are still a blackmarket problem for some.

People could look at every discipline and find fault; dressage is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles doing funny moves. Showjumping is cruel because horses just spend their time going around in circles jumping things. Eventing then would surely go because it's a combination of both of those plus cross country which is galloping the horse over fixed obstacles.

Endurance - poor horse has to walk/trot/canter for miles. Showing - horse spends it's time being tarted up to look pretty. I think even hacking would end up coming in for criticism because surely it's cruel actually sitting on an animal and making him do something you want him to do.

I can't bear some of the attitudes on here because if you follow them to their natural conclusion - there would be no animals left because people wouldn't be let near them at all.
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Now, you really are stretching your point way beyond all possible elastication! What some of us are concerned with is :- unnecessary cruelty. Misuse of the whip is bad. I would say that any use is bad while others, as do the Jockey Club at present, think that some use is acceptable - however as this will always be debateable a complete ban has no arguement.
 
Double_choc_lab said:
It's actually the public who voted for him - not the BBC so it would appear the an awful lot of people don't agree with you. We voted three times in our house.
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The BBC decide who is on the list! They EDIT everything - including the news! On top of that - by your own admission - they accept three votes from one house - I do hope that was from different phones!
 
1stclassalan said:
Without dwelling too much on personal attributes - do expand your conjecture that anyone with views presumably in opposition to yours are "ignoramouses" - ignorant of what may I ask - you will find me a more than adequate debating partner in many subjects from Nuclear Physics to Mycology with around fifty years detailed experience as an owner and rider.

Do tell how Monty Roberts has progressed backwards. I don't particularly like the man but his ideas are good.
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Look here,i've had enough of you buggers going on about as i said before was a light hearted thread about SPOTY but its turned into something unpleasant, i'm a frigging farmerswife and ex-hunter and not into Nuclear Physics or Mycology, whatever that is(what do these things have to do with the subject in hand god knows!)why would i want to debate it with you anyway???As for Monty, im a non believer- does that make me a devils disciple?
 
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