Warning...Rant!!! "To stay at present yard"!!!

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Before I go off on one, I do understand that people love their horses and want to keep an eye on them, I have felt like it myself when loaning HOWEVER!!!

Do they also realise that some of us already have a yard or horses and to travel to another yard would be impossible on a daily basis!!!! - I suppose it's only driving me insane as I keep finding the perfect 13.2hh for my daughter who is quite a nervous rider then just to read, "to stay at present yard" which is normally between 50 and 150 miles away!!!

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I think I could have offered a perfect home about 30 times over in the last month!!

I do understand, I really do I am just sick of reading it when its the perfect pony!!! It also explains why there are so many of them for loan still!!

As long as you make proper checks you are more likely to loan if said ponio can move than staying on your yard...rant over!!!
 
I have just loaned my horse out and he has 90 mins away which i was a bit nervous about, i can understand why people won't let them move from their own yard though as you hearr so many storys of loan horses being stolen etc have you tried asking them if they would be willing to let them move if references etc are supplied they might do if its not too far
 
I can understand your frustration - however being one of these people that is loaning her pony out (who is 13.1hh
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) to stay at present yard, if you have had a previous bad loan experience then you might understand where some people are coming from. I would be very reluctant to send my pony too far away again.
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As above, I had a very uncomfortable loan experience when he left my livery yard. After that he wasn't allowed from there until he was sold a year later.

Sadly the minority ruin it for the majority
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Buy instead of loan then. Or ring up the person that is loaning the perfect pony and go and see it etc. and then ask would they allow it to move to your yard and go from there.
 
I managed to find the perfect loan horse on my doorstep but her owner was happy for her to move yards (as long as she was within an hours drive of her house). Keep trying
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they may not be as perfect as you think!
 
a lot of people actually worry about putting out on loan due to the fact so many are moved on without owners permission or are not keep in the correct conditions,
and even tho you may not do ,that the ones that actually do give the good ones a bad name .
it more easy for people to keep them where there are for these reasons
im for one who use to loan my old pony would not let it out of its grazing place
 
I can understand your frustration with it as i do think it's asking a lot and the loaners are really narrowing their potential loanee market when they stipulate they horse should stay at the current yard. As someone who has their own stables, field etc etc it wouldn't be feasible for me to loan a horse and stay on a particular yard.

I can maybe understand it a little if a short term loan or the people didn't want to lose their livery space/stable if the loan didn't work out and the pony was retured, but for a long term loan I think loaners should be a little more open to the pony moving even if they stipulated within a certain radius.

I have had ponies on loan and I have loaned mine out without issue.

I would suggest maybe ringing the ones that sound good and that are close by, going to see them and, if you think it may be suitable then discuss the possibility of you keeping it at yours. You don't know til you ask at the end of the day.
 
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Buy instead of loan then. Or ring up the person that is loaning the perfect pony and go and see it etc. and then ask would they allow it to move to your yard and go from there.

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I find that so ignorant and rude-If they have clearly advertised as to stay at present yard-then that it was it says!!! Sorry-got totally fed up of people asking can he move yards when i clearly stated in the ad-NO!!! (this was when I had my old pony advertised)
 
no, what i mean is that if the child gets on so well with the pony then there may be room for comprimise.

all depends on the owner really, I know I wouldnt want my pony to stay at my yard if i was loaning it - I would feel like I was interfering too much and not letting them get on with it!
 
well, my previous loan stated based in 'leicestershire' and when i initially phoned i was told by the owner, she wanted him to stay where he was, (i had already told her what yard i was based on about 20/30 minutes away) so i continued trawlling the internet, and the next day she phoned back and said would i like to come and try him, as she knew my yard, and knew that it was respected... so sometimes people will change their minds once they understand a bit more... keep trying, i'm onto my 2nd loan now (horses and not ponies) and you can find them. have you tried posting your own 'wanted' advert, i had a few answers (mainly after i'd found the loan) but its worth a try.
 
i can totally see people's POV wanting to keep horses on their yards- there are many horror stories out there about loan horses gonig missing/being sold/ mis-treated etc.

i too, would be furious if someone came to see my horse and wanted to move it if i had advertised as 'to stay on present yard.'
that is something you ask on the phone BEFORE going to see the pony and wasting everyone's time.

OP, maybe you could ring a few and ask about the possibility of moving if you offer references from Pony Club DC, instructor, YO etc?
 
Looking at it from the point of view of the person doing the loaning, it must be very difficult. I would not loan out any of my horses unless I already knew the person very well.

Perhaps a way round it would be for you to provide a portfolio of references? obviously checkable, say your VET, FARRIER, PHYSIO, TRAINER/INSTRUCTOR etc.
You may know your brilliant, loving,caring,experienced etc b ut it's getting others to believe it.
 
i wouldn't let my horse go out on loan unless i knew the person taking him...my horse who is loaned is a bit special and needs special shoes etc- i just wouldn't trust someone to look after him properly. as it is i have a sharer who is fab but she does loads of things which need keeping an eye on (e.g. not putting saddle on properly)- would be a nightmare if she'd taken him away on loan...as it is she manages fine with a helping hand from me...as above i'd buy if you can't find a suitable pony on loan...
 
Maybe you should be looking at buying instead if you can?

Everyone has heard of nightmare scenarios regarding loans, and if I were ever to loan a horse out again it would stay where it was, no compromise - no matter who the loaner was.
 
People have to right to do whatever they think is best for their own pony.
I think it's a bit cheeky to expect them to do what's actually best for you when you are basically getting a free pony off them.
If you want to keep the pony at a yard of your own choice then buy one yourself. I would never allow a complete stranger to take away a horse or pony of mine, it would have to stay with me unless I knew them well.
Have you thought of trying one of the charitys? The Blue Cross often have nice ponies on their website.
 
I hear where you are all coming from but we do not have capital to buy, we do however have enough land that should loaner not want pony back in few years we can take care of it for them.

We have done wanted ad on horsequest and all the other usual places, and I suppose what wound me up was the amount of people that contacted US stating they had one for sale when the ad clearly stated wanted FOR LONG TERM LOAN!!

If we could afford to buy a £4k pony, we would!!

We have had one from blue cross before, he was lovely and is sadly missed. Unfortunately they are all a bit too fizzy for us at moment and this pony has to be right for daughter and daughter right for pony.

We have got one with luck from rescue place we are seeing at weekend now.

My gripe wasnt with people not wanting to move them, and I wouldnt insult them by contacting them if this was in their advert. At the end of the day its like a member of the family isnt it.

Just the amount of people that say "pony is bored, wasted etc" but are not prepared to maybe research thorough references.

People to get tarred with the same brush I suppose and there are some nasty stories out there which sadly are true.

I am a horsewatch co-ordinator so do understand the problems people face about letting ponies out on loan.

As I am known well within 20 mile radius in the horsey community in our area its is easy for me to assume people would be comfortable with that, but if they dont know that, then I am a stranger to them that could run off with their pony!!

Hey ho!!! Hopefully this little girl will be the right one that we are driving some distance to see at the weekend.

I couldnt loan mine at the same yard as someone said already as I would feel that I was watching them, I do however have someone hack my old boy from my yard, but this is because they cannot care for him full time themselves so I do the bigger share of that enabling him to still have a useful life.
 
I feel your pain as before I got Hattie and was looking for loans, all I came across was the "to stay at present yard" ads which was useless for me as I have my own stables 6 minutes away from my house, land, access to bridleways, menage and two excellent farriers at my disposal. Plus I don't drive so going to a yard would have been a bit of a feat!

In the end, I put an ad on horsemart stating all of the above that I had to offer and got Hattie. Her owner was pleased with my set up and she visits sometimes but lets me basically, get on with it.

I would definitely place an ad if I were you as you are obviously not a beginner novice owner who plans on putting the pony in their garden shed
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and just state all you have to offer!
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Free pony???!!!! I wouldnt say pony is free, it needs caring for, insuring and all the other costs associated with loaning responsibly.

If an owner wants to retain an animal but wants it cared for properly, i dont consider that free, it works both ways. Owner keeps legal rights to horse, loanee pays for that priviledge and can get pony back anytime to suit, whilst possibly having experience of lovely pony.

Its very much a two way thing with a proper loan arrangement.
 
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I hear where you are all coming from but we do not have capital to buy, we do however have enough land that should loaner not want pony back in few years we can take care of it for them.

We have done wanted ad on horsequest and all the other usual places, and I suppose what wound me up was the amount of people that contacted US stating they had one for sale when the ad clearly stated wanted FOR LONG TERM LOAN!!

If we could afford to buy a £4k pony, we would!!

We have had one from blue cross before, he was lovely and is sadly missed. Unfortunately they are all a bit too fizzy for us at moment and this pony has to be right for daughter and daughter right for pony.

We have got one with luck from rescue place we are seeing at weekend now.

My gripe wasnt with people not wanting to move them, and I wouldnt insult them by contacting them if this was in their advert. At the end of the day its like a member of the family isnt it.

Just the amount of people that say "pony is bored, wasted etc" but are not prepared to maybe research thorough references.

People to get tarred with the same brush I suppose and there are some nasty stories out there which sadly are true.

I am a horsewatch co-ordinator so do understand the problems people face about letting ponies out on loan.

As I am known well within 20 mile radius in the horsey community in our area its is easy for me to assume people would be comfortable with that, but if they dont know that, then I am a stranger to them that could run off with their pony!!

Hey ho!!! Hopefully this little girl will be the right one that we are driving some distance to see at the weekend.

I couldnt loan mine at the same yard as someone said already as I would feel that I was watching them, I do however have someone hack my old boy from my yard, but this is because they cannot care for him full time themselves so I do the bigger share of that enabling him to still have a useful life.

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Good luck to you I hope you find the right pony for your daughter.
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It is a shame that you have been tarred with the same brush, it sounds like you could offer a really good home but unfortunatley unless I knew you I still wouldn't risk it!
 
I think I have been very lucky as I too have loaned and loaned out over the years without issue and pretty much all people are still close friends!! So I dont see issue with it.

Problems occur in the main when people dont do it legally, properly, make regular checks and take people on face value instead of asking to see proof of ID even, the people i know that havent had a copy of a driving licence, or taken up proper references and phoned a random number of a person pertaining to be vet, instructer etc!!! There should be a handbook on loaning....now that should keep me busy!!
 
I had thought about loaning perhaps when my old lads goes hoof-up, but with also having daughters and OH's beasts on a livery yard very close to home, it would be a pain in the butt having horses spread out on different yards.

Now, I know I am ace
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, but obviously others dont.....it would be up to me to prove it I suppose.I
t is asking a lot to move someones horse but by the same token if I were loaning out I would prefer the horse to be taken away to somewhere I had vetted/checked over rather than the poor loaner end up with me peering over the stable door on a daily basis....
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Good luck anyway....I'm sure things will fall into place for you
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Free pony???!!!! I wouldnt say pony is free, it needs caring for, insuring and all the other costs associated with loaning responsibly.



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Well it is free, in that the loaner does not need to find "the capital" to pay for the pony in the first place. Incidentally I understand that many owners pay for the insurance themselves, in order to be certain that the pony is covered.

If I found myself in the unfortunate postion of being able to care for my own horses for some reason, I should be very reluctant to loan to some-one I did not know extremely well.

I cannot think of any other instance where if you cannot afford to buy something, you can ask some-one else to let you use theirs. Has any-one ever lent a car to some-one they don't know? or a TV? or jewellery?
 
I think people who want their horse to stay at their present yards should put them up for " full share" or some such, stipulating that the new carer would have sole responsibility, monetary costs etc.

To me loaning has always meant the pony in question can be moved, infact it used to be the norm. I know I knew my pony wouldnt be staying at our yard when he went on loan!

I understand people being nervous about their "babies" leaving their watchful eye, but surely if you have put in the ground work with vetting both loanee and yard, and can visit regularly (so maybe a clause, "can only be moved within a 10/20/30/40/50 miles radius") then you open yourself up to many more potential new carers for these horses that 90% of the time are sitting around being pretty field ornaments!

really hope you daughter finds a nice safe (moveable!!!) pony soon!
 
Daughters pony is loaned to peopled about 2 hrs drive away.I knew pony would have to move yards as knew daughter probably wouldn't give loanee a life cos not the way she would do things.
It has turned out ok,we put a loan agreement in place.Also googled names/checked with people who knew people in that area/even know where kid goes to school.
TBH its actually quite easy up here anyway,to find someone who knows someone etc in the horsey world,just takes a bit of time.
Pony is well looked after.
I do understand why people won't let horses off yard but if do things properly can work out.
Hope you get something suitable
 
Having a horse or pony on loan is getting a free pony, unless you're leasing it, as you're not buying it.

And no I wouldn't let a total stranger have my car on loan, so I certainly wouldn't do it with an animal.

The problem is a safe child's pony is either a much loved member of the family or a valuable asset; in either case people are unlikely to entrust something so precious/valuable to strangers.
 
i see where you're coming from because i've had 4 horses on loan all of which i have moved to my own yard (as dad owns a small yard its not an option to pay somewhere else).....

HOWEVER because of things u hear bout loans going wrong if i had to loan a horse of mine it would stay at present yard but then i am in a position where the loaner would recieve seriously low livery rates and great hacking area etc so in thoery win win situation.

Good luck keep looking something will come up especially as its getting closer to winter lol!
 
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