Weight loss

I'd feed good hay or haylage ab lib and try adding a little sugarbeet with some oil in it (if she'll eat it, some TBs are very fussy about extras in their feed). Outshine is good for fussy feeders but quite expensive and is the same as feeding oil. If she's prone to dropping weight, have a think about Baileys No. 4 Conditioning Cubes - they are good high energy feed but don't seem to make them too loopy.
 
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That's exactly what full livery is.

You make such odd comments about things you know nothing about........

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Clearly MY experience of full livery during the summer months is different, either that or I just pay very close attnetion to my horse and don't feel any amount of money gives her as good care as I can.

What do you mean by clearly know nothing about? I've had horse's for over 20 years keeping them on DIY, assisted DIY and full livery. I've run livery yards at weekends and on holidays. I do know what I'm talking about and for 'full' livery which costs about £20 a week for the horse to be out during the summer no where I know goes out and check the horse's closely. If a limb was missing they'd notice, anything else would only be noticed in the off chance.
 
Yes Jacks Mum - although my horse is out 24/7 I pay the same. The payment never changes. I expect the same level of care throughout. Princess Sparkle has her arrangements, I have mine.
 
PS...i'd put down your spade if i was you.

that hole you're in seems to be getting deeper......

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I'm glad you have a wealth of knowledge PS. Try using it once in a while - you come across as a complete ignoramus.....
 
I'm not going to get into this row as that is clearly not what the OP wanted. For the record TGM's advice is excellent and exactly what I would do.

However, my horse is on full livery. I pay £650 a month. And yes I do expect for him to be cared for the way I would if I was doing it myself, whether I am there or not. My pony on the other hand is out 24/7 and I pay £17 a week. This is absolutely NOT full livery. I think you may have your wording arse about face there PrincessSpark1e!
 
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Berkley - when my boy was younger (and had just come from a racing yard) I put him on Allen and Page Cool Mix plus Allen and Page weight gain - it was superb and non-heating. Baileys No1 is supposed to be good too, but my boy hated it!

Try some mollassed sugar beet as well to replace the lack of grass.

As he got older he went on to Baileys (i think?!) 16+ and top line cubes - equally as good.
 
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Yes Jacks Mum - although my horse is out 24/7 I pay the same. The payment never changes. I expect the same level of care throughout. Princess Sparkle has her arrangements, I have mine.

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Same here, payment never changed. It worked out a lot better for everyone all round. It meant everyone was able to budget properly and didn't spend the summer saving up for the winter and the horses had good full care all year round. In the winter mine had their rugs changed and put out in the field and in the summer had a full field check every morning which included feet being picked out, rugs removed or adjusted as necessary, fly fringes put on, fly spray applied and bumps and cuts checked for. Any concerns and I got a phone call. A cursory 'leg on each corner from a distance' check was not an option -and IMO never should be.
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Clearly we do things differently in Scotland, I'm a full livery no matter what time of the year it is. The stable still has my name on it and no one else can use it BUT I pay less as the YO does not bring in, put out, feed, bed, hay, pick out feet, check legs etc

I have never been on a yard where full livery is the same price year round no matter if they are out or in.
 
Berkeley, well done to your YO for recognising that there was a problem and taking steps to address it - I don't think it is such a big problem that you should be considering moving on the basis of this alone. The simple fact is that unless you weight tape or tack up a horse very regularly, and see it daily, you might not notice weight loss - whereas after a week or so the difference might be quite apparent.

I like oats in addition to oil for keeping condition - but they don't suit every horse
 
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I'm a little shocked that you didn't notice your horse's weight dropping. Full livery or not you should be checking you horse at least a few times a week. It's a real bug bear of mine that people seem to thing full livery include the YO montioring weight, behaviour, soundness etc. They are not paid that much! Your YO took steps for you, steps you should have asked the YO to take rather than the other way round.

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That is very harsh if the horse is on full livery i.e. 24hr care then yes the yard owner is getting paid to monitor the horses weight soundness etc
 
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I am really please you mentioned Baileys 16+ Cloverwood. She is on Bailey's no 17 at the moment with Chaff. She's getting on a bit now and I was actually thinking of moving on to 16+. Although A&P keeps coming up too.....will have a think.

I think a trip to the horse shop this weekend is a good idea (problem is when I go down there I end up buying rugs, headcollars, treats etc too!
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Are we resorting to name calling now?
 
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Are we resorting to name calling now?

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Nope. I haven't called anyone any names.
 
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Berkeley, well done to your YO for recognising that there was a problem and taking steps to address it - I don't think it is such a big problem that you should be considering moving on the basis of this alone. The simple fact is that unless you weight tape or tack up a horse very regularly, and see it daily, you might not notice weight loss - whereas after a week or so the difference might be quite apparent.

I like oats in addition to oil for keeping condition - but they don't suit every horse

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What she said.

PS, I paid more than that for DIY grass livery. I suggest your arrangement with your YO is different from most of the rest of our experiences.

I work on a full livery yard, primarily mucking out (I am only part time) and when horses are out 24/7 my job changes to bringing each in for a feed and under rug check, flick over and feet pick: which i'm sure you would agree would identify most problems.
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I am really please you mentioned Baileys 16+ Cloverwood. She is on Bailey's no 17 at the moment with Chaff. She's getting on a bit now and I was actually thinking of moving on to 16+. Although A&P keeps coming up too.....will have a think.



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Doubt you will need the weight gain with the 16+ - I also noticed his hooves were much better, shine on his coat was excellent (although I did start giving him cod liver oil as he got much older - he lived to 27!). The top line cubes I only used during winter. He never got on very well with the Saracent Veteran mix - just something in it made him explode - but of course every horse is different!
 
You can't speak for Scotland! What planet are you on!? I think the Scots are all individuals and should not be tarnished with the same brush you are painting yourself with.
 
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We run a full livery yard at home and take total responsibility for all care including monitoring condition and adjusting as appropriate. Thats why its full livery- we are being paid to look after the horse totally.

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So in the summer when your liveries put out 24/7 and the cost of livery is almost halved you still go out every day, pick out feet, check for cuts and bumped, check for soundness, check weight (including those wearing rugs so feeling under rugs or taking them off), check general attitude for each and every single livery...

Ok clearly my YO is negligent then because if liveries are going to be away during the summer when she is being paid next to nothing for 'full' livery she expects us to tell her so she is aware that she will have to monitor the horse closely. She is willing to do this but she doesn't offer it as standard day in and day out.

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You are obviously not on full livery 52 weeks of the year TBH yours sounds more like part livery
 
Just be aware that some senior feeds are actually lower in calories than conditioning feeds. For example, Baileys 17 (Topline Mix) has 12.5 MJDE/kg whereas Baileys 15 (Senior Mix) only has 11.5 MJDE/kg, so you would have to feed a bit more No 15 to get the same amount of calories as you were getting from the No 17, if you see what I mean!
 
Hi Berkeley
I found calm and condition by Allen & Page great with my mare. She seasons badly and weight just used to drop off her in days no matter what was done.
SInce putting her on that last year, she looks fantastic and have never worried with her weight again. Plus she is quite a hot headed hyper type and it has kept the same level of sanity that I always have.
Vegetable or Corn Oil is also good with weight in feed.
As for the livery debate
Uhhhhhhhhhh full livery means total care to a very high standard on yards my way. If horses are turned out and no mucking out required then full field check, fly spray, groom and still all the extras (at over £700 you want the whole works, after all your paying for it).
 
i am also in scotland , so yard must be the only one in scotland like this.
everyone elses yard sounds normal!
full livery means everything done and checked!
 
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