Welcome to HHO Towing Clinic

[candy1103]

Hi ROG and Tallyho, firstly thank you for setting up this forum and answering questions.
I'm looking to downgrade my workhorse of a Landcruiser as much as it pains me. I'm hoping I might be able to get a 4x4 estate to pull the following:
Ifor 403 single trailer unladen weight 767kg
Horse is approx 550kg.
What kind of kerb weight am I looking for in a suitable vehicle to be legal / safe?
Thank you

 

[ROG]

Hi ROG and Tallyho, firstly thank you for setting up this forum and answering questions.
I'm looking to downgrade my workhorse of a Landcruiser as much as it pains me. I'm hoping I might be able to get a 4x4 estate to pull the following:
Ifor 403 single trailer unladen weight 767kg
Horse is approx 550kg.
What kind of kerb weight am I looking for in a suitable vehicle to be legal / safe?
Thank you

A towing limit of 1500 will do
Most 4x4s will be at least 1400+ when loaded with driver and kit
There are many 4x4s designed to tow 3500 safely even if they weigh much less than that at the time of towing

The max tow limit has been set by manufacturers to SAFELY tow when trailer fully loaded and the vehicle has just the driver in it

 

[candy1103]

A towing limit of 1500 will do
Most 4x4s will be at least 1400+ when loaded with driver and kit
There are many 4x4s designed to tow 3500 safely even if they weigh much less than that at the time of towing

The max tow limit has been set by manufacturers to SAFELY tow when trailer fully loaded and the vehicle has just the driver in it

Thanks for getting back so quickly! I've been having a quick look at the volvo and skoda estates. Do I want to be looking at their towing capacity then and not calculating it from their kerb weight then?

 

[ROG]

Do I want to be looking at their towing capacity then and not calculating it from their kerb weight then?

Yes

 

[holeymoley]

Thanks for getting back so quickly! I've been having a quick look at the volvo and skoda estates. Do I want to be looking at their towing capacity then and not calculating it from their kerb weight then?

The Volvo v70 will tow- I know 2 people that tow a double ifor with one horse in it with them.

 

[candy1103]

The Volvo v70 will tow- I know 2 people that tow a double ifor with one horse in it with them.

Thanks Holeymoley, I had that in my list to look into so that's really helpful to know

 

[Boots*McGruber]

When towing I count the weight I am towing as trailer+horse+a little extra for haynet/ wiggle room. The saddle, bridle, water and all other equipment travels in the car with me and any other humans that are tagging along and I don’t count this as part of the weight I am towing. Is this incorrect? I saw a post on FB stating that you have to take into account the number of people and weight of any kit you are carrying in the car & this will then reduce your vehicle’s towing capacity by that amount. Confused.

 

[ROG]

When towing I count the weight I am towing as trailer+horse+a little extra for haynet/ wiggle room. The saddle, bridle, water and all other equipment travels in the car with me and any other humans that are tagging along and I don’t count this as part of the weight I am towing. Is this incorrect? I saw a post on FB stating that you have to take into account the number of people and weight of any kit you are carrying in the car & this will then reduce your vehicle’s towing capacity by that amount. Confused.

What goes into the towing vehicle comes under the vehicle GVW
What the trailer and its load weighs comes under the trailer plated MAM and the vehicle towing capacity

Can you post a link to the FB post?

 

[Boots*McGruber]

What goes into the towing vehicle comes under the vehicle GVW
What the trailer and its load weighs comes under the trailer plated MAM and the vehicle towing capacity

Can you post a link to the FB post?

Thanks ROG, it was in the comments on an article about towing vehicles and I’m not sure if it’s possible to share the comments, seems I can only link to the article.

 

[tallyho!]

Really? I think it is. Nothing fashionable though I’ll give you that.

 

[ROG]

Really? I think it is. Nothing fashionable though I’ll give you that.

EH? me confused as to your comment - care to explain?

 

[LadyGascoyne]

Hello, first post here so apologies if I’ve missed a lot of information on previous pages.

My landy is out of commission for the foreseeable as my husband is insisting on fixing it himself.

Would I be crazy to use a 2 door Jeep Wrangler with a 1490 towing capacity, with an Ifor Williams 505 (unladen weight 905) to transport one of my partbred Arabs at a time?

Estimating weights

14.3hh - 400-425kg
Stocker 15.1hh - 475-500kg
Finer but taller 15.2hh - 450-475kg

It is right on the edge, and I’m just not sure.

 

[ROG]

Hello, first post here so apologies if I’ve missed a lot of information on previous pages.

My landy is out of commission for the foreseeable as my husband is insisting on fixing it himself.

Would I be crazy to use a 2 door Jeep Wrangler with a 1490 towing capacity, with an Ifor Williams 505 (unladen weight 905) to transport one of my partbred Arabs at a time?

Estimating weights

14.3hh - 400-425kg
Stocker 15.1hh - 475-500kg
Finer but taller 15.2hh - 450-475kg

It is right on the edge, and I’m just not sure.

Trailer empty 905
horse 500
Total 1405
Should be ok with 85 to spare

 

[LadyGascoyne]

Trailer empty 905
horse 500
Total 1405
Should be ok with 85 to spare

Thank you! I’ve never had to worry about it with the landy.

 

[Widgeon]

My landy is out of commission for the foreseeable as my husband is insisting on fixing it himself.

Thoughts and prayers. Good luck with that.

 

[Bigfoxtrot]

What goes into the towing vehicle comes under the vehicle GVW
What the trailer and its load weighs comes under the trailer plated MAM and the vehicle towing capacity

Can you post a link to the FB post?

Hi rog

I have a 2003 1.4 petrol vw polo

think about taking my caravan a hour up the road A few weekends during summer
Here are the vin pictures, is this ok or should I forget about it? Thanks

 

[Bigfoxtrot]

Hi rog

I have a 2003 1.4 petrol vw polo automatic

think about taking my caravan a hour up the road A few weekends during summer
Here are the vin pictures, is this ok or should I forget about it? Thanks View attachment 109938

 

[Bigfoxtrot]

3080-1830=1250 so the maximum towing capacity is 1250 UNLESS stated otherwise on the V5 keepers doc
650+400=1050 so you are towing 1050
You have 200 more load weight available

This combination is also legal using a B licence because 1830+1500=3330 so under the 3500 B tow limit

Hi rog hope all is well

I have a 2003 vw polo 1.4 automatic
See pics of both plates
Is this advisable ?

 

[ROG]

Hi rog

I have a 2003 1.4 petrol vw polo

think about taking my caravan a hour up the road A few weekends during summer
Here are the vin pictures, is this ok or should I forget about it? Thanks View attachment 109938

All OK as long as the caravan does not exceed 950kg
Vehicle has max tow limit of 1000kg

 

[Bigfoxtrot]

All OK as long as the caravan does not exceed 950kg
Vehicle has max tow limit of 1000kg

Thankyou rog, 950kg is max but I will be stripping it right down to bare minimum so should be 700-800 maybe, any concerns with the car being a automatic ?

 

[ROG]

Thankyou rog, 950kg is max but I will be stripping it right down to bare minimum so should be 700-800 maybe, any concerns with the car being a automatic ?

No because the manufacturer has already considered that into their max towing limit

 

[Bigfoxtrot]

No because the manufacturer has already considered that into their max towing limit
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brilliant, thankyou for helping me

 

[suzette]

Hi Rog,

I'm trying to figure out what sort of trailer I could tow. I have a Cat C license (but not C+E) :

-With a 3.5 ton lorry (e.g. that can be driven on car license)? would same rules as towing with car apply?
-With a 4.5 ton lorry? I've seen that it's then max 750 kg trailer? is this unladen weight or total loaded weight?

Many thanks

Marie

 

[ROG]

Hi Rog,

I'm trying to figure out what sort of trailer I could tow. I have a Cat C license (but not C+E) :

-With a 3.5 ton lorry (e.g. that can be driven on car license)? would same rules as towing with car apply?
-With a 4.5 ton lorry? I've seen that it's then max 750 kg trailer? is this unladen weight or total loaded weight?

Many thanks

Marie

Without C+E or C1+E the max trailer that can be towed is 750kgs plated MAM weight = total weight of trailer including the load

Daft thing is that with a 3.5 tonne vehicle the max is 3500kgs providing all limits are adhered to

Do you have a pre 1997 car licence?

 

[suzette]

Without C+E or C1+E the max trailer that can be towed is 750kgs plated MAM weight = total weight of trailer including the load

Daft thing is that with a 3.5 tonne vehicle the max is 3500kgs providing all limits are adhered to

Do you have a pre 1997 car licence?

No pre 1997 car license unfortunately..

When you say max 3500 kg do you mean box + trailer combined?

 

[ROG]

No pre 1997 car license unfortunately..

When you say max 3500 kg do you mean box + trailer combined?

I think you are asking if the trailer including its load is 3500 max and then the answer is yes BUT you still have to comply with the listed max weights for the vehicle

 

[suzette]

I think you are asking if the trailer including its load is 3500 max and then the answer is yes BUT you still have to comply with the listed max weights for the vehicle

Ok; meaning with a 3.5 ton lorry you couldn't tow a trailer on top as you'd already have reached the 3500 limit?

 

[ROG]

Ok; meaning with a 3.5 ton lorry you couldn't tow a trailer on top as you'd already have reached the 3500 limit?

I need the 3 weights from the V5 doc to determine that
GVW
GTW
max tow limit

 

[TooScaredToJump]

I hope I’ve got the right figures: 2011 Honda CRV & HB506
1 B+E
2 1622kg curb weight (Google)
3 4160kg (line 2 on Vin plate?)
4 2000kg (line 2 - line 1 on Vin plate?)
5 2600kg (gross weight?)
6 920kg (unladen weight)

 

[dottylottie]

I think you are asking if the trailer including its load is 3500 max and then the answer is yes BUT you still have to comply with the listed max weights for the vehicle

hi, im confused by this i assumed with towing, the car contents and trailer contents were included in the 3.5t, is it just the trailer and contents? so does the driver/passenger, tack in car etc, not need to be included in the 3.5t capacity?