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We are interested in a young Welsh D but I wanted to do some homework before we go ahead. If anyone is in the know with the bloodlines could you PM me please. I would rather buy one without any stupidly highly strung lines in them!
 
I believe nebo and derwen bloodlines are generally considered "firey types" however keep in mind that temperament can be just as much down to upbringing as it is breeding. Also you would probably be quite pressed to find a well bred welsh D without either of these lines somewhere in their breeding.
My mare is a fully registered welsh section D with strong nebo and derwen bloodlines in her breeding particularly on her dams side. Yet Ive never met a more laid back chilled youngster. My advice is to go and see the horse in the flesh and get a feel for their character before looking at their passport :p
 
Equine_Dream said:
I believe nebo and derwen bloodlines are generally considered "firey types" however keep in mind that temperament can be just as much down to upbringing as it is breeding. Also you would probably be quite pressed to find a well bred welsh D without either of these lines somewhere in their breeding.
My mare is a fully registered welsh section D with strong nebo and derwen bloodlines in her breeding particularly on her dams side. Yet Ive never met a more laid back chilled youngster. My advice is to go and see the horse in the flesh and get a feel for their character before looking at their passport :p
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Those two bloodlines are fashionable for showing and in hand. My stallion has very old bloodlines without a drop of N and D, and he, and all his offspring have amazing temperaments, and will do anything for you. Derwen have only been breeding since the sixties, so not old fashioned cob bloodlines really.
 
cundlegreen said:
Those two bloodlines are fashionable for showing and in hand. My stallion has very old bloodlines without a drop of N and D, and he, and all his offspring have amazing temperaments, and will do anything for you. Derwen have only been breeding since the sixties, so not old fashioned cob bloodlines really.
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I'm no expert I just generally find every welsh D passport I look at these days has D or N in there somewhere :D point I was trying to make though is even if you have a Sec D with certain bloodlines in their breeding that might be considered firey lines, it doesn't necessarily mean you will end up with a horse with those traits. Like I said my mare has both lines in her breeding and doesn't have any of those traits.
Btw your stallion sounds lovely! Can't beat an old fasion type Welsh cob :)
 
cundlegreen said:
Those two bloodlines are fashionable for showing and in hand. My stallion has very old bloodlines without a drop of N and D, and he, and all his offspring have amazing temperaments, and will do anything for you. Derwen have only been breeding since the sixties, so not old fashioned cob bloodlines really.
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Ooh, out of curiosity, who's the stallion?
I have a d mare and 3 year old.
Mare is mostly nebo.
Youngster has Llanarth, Parc and Synod.
 
ohh ooohhh while there are people who know this stuff, can anyone tell me anything about mine? THis is her http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glansiedi+kira+nerys

She was a freebie who has turned into a dressage cob star, so her bloodlines are unimportant to me, but would be nice to know a bit more.
I had a PB before who had strong Derwen lines, he was lovely, a right softie. This one could rightly be described as highly strung though!
 
Equine_Dream said:
I believe nebo and derwen bloodlines are generally considered "firey types" however keep in mind that temperament can be just as much down to upbringing as it is breeding. Also you would probably be quite pressed to find a well bred welsh D without either of these lines somewhere in their breeding.
My mare is a fully registered welsh section D with strong nebo and derwen bloodlines in her breeding particularly on her dams side. Yet Ive never met a more laid back chilled youngster. My advice is to go and see the horse in the flesh and get a feel for their character before looking at their passport :p
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Agree, Mine also has very strong Derwen and Nebo lines but he's so not "fiery".... I've never shown him in-hand because he would just look so lazy! He has a sharp side, but I really don't think that's to do with his breeding. Definitely just go and see them, any excuse to see baby Welshies! :D
 
Practically all Cs and Ds these days are Nebo/Derwen carriers. I wouldn't necessarily class them as fiery. I've found certain lines tend towards the drama queen side of things, there's a certain prefix which has a reputation for being downright mental.
There's a couple of section C sires who have a reputation for throwing rearers though I have a mare by one of them who doesn't. There's certain stallion that are known for quirkiness, big movement etc. Pm me who it is you're looking into and i'll help as much as i can.

Ii try and keep to the older old fashioned lines. Not too much N/D in mine.
 
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milliepops said:
ohh ooohhh while there are people who know this stuff, can anyone tell me anything about mine? THis is her http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glansiedi+kira+nerys

She was a freebie who has turned into a dressage cob star, so her bloodlines are unimportant to me, but would be nice to know a bit more.
I had a PB before who had strong Derwen lines, he was lovely, a right softie. This one could rightly be described as highly strung though!
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Your mare has a lot of old lines, particularly Parc. They have bred welsh cobs for over 100 years, and Sam Morgan was a great judge of a cob as is his son Daniel. Your mare's 4th breed line is very similar to my stallion, and he has amazing paces.
 
milliepops said:
ohh ooohhh while there are people who know this stuff, can anyone tell me anything about mine? THis is her http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/glansiedi+kira+nerys

She was a freebie who has turned into a dressage cob star, so her bloodlines are unimportant to me, but would be nice to know a bit more.
I had a PB before who had strong Derwen lines, he was lovely, a right softie. This one could rightly be described as highly strung though!
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Your mare's great great grandma, Maylord Charm, was my old boy's grandma. We're related :D
Her breeding is very strong with some classic stallions in there - Pentre Eiddwen Comet, Parc Dafydd and Cahn Dafydd are renowned stallions from the 50s, 60s and 70s (and also pretty prolific - just look at their progeny lists to see how many). Quite surprised there's no Nebo, Derwen or Llanarth at all, one or another usually pops up. Having said that, the lines all mix at some point. Pentre Eiddwen Comet was Nebo Black Magic's sire and when people say Nebo are everywhere, they usually mean Nebo Black Magic is everywhere (he was responsible for well over 150 Welsh Cobs on his own) so it follows that PEC's blood is everywhere!

Mine was mostly Llanarth and he was a certifiable nutcase but not a nasty bone in his body. He was never spooky or sharp, just ridiculously excitable. We spent a lot of time on 2 legs but I never fell off him because of anything he did, it was usually a freak accident (like my friend losing control of her horse and galloping into us flat out, knocking me off!) Coincidentally, my friend owned his dam (we didn't know each other at the time) and she was exactly the same. His full sister was an RDA pony.

There used to be a really good webpage that had a list of stallions both historic and current but I can't find it at all now.
 
ah, thanks both, and sorry to OP for hijacking but perhaps some of the info is useful to you too.

I had no idea whether she was any 'good' or just junk! As the only other welsh I've had was all Derwen/Nebo that's all I've ever looked at. She's a mega mover - not particularly welsh looking but great for what I want, very supple and moves through her back a lot, and I think she will develop a bit of suspension when she gets stronger. I'd never have looked at sec Ds if I hadn't been given her, but I would do so in the future :)
 
I have a Sec D with very old bloodlines, most Thorneyside, hes has Brynmor Welsh Magic (Nebo Black Magic's Son) 4 times within his 3rd and 4th generation! And he has nebo black magic a lot in his 5th and 6th generation! I don't think 'bloodlines' are the cause of the 'highly strungness', I think 1) its the breed, they are naturally highly strung - My D is the most laid back pony you'll ever meet, but on the odd occasion, he can go bonkers! (I emphasise ODD OCCASION) but don't all horses??? and No 2) its the way they have been brought up, if you bring them up to be mental welsh cobs flying around like idiots, then what do you expect? However if you bring them up to learn respect then they are very well behaved! The first thing I was told when I bought my Sec D - Give them a inch and they will take a yard! This is true.. and its more like a mile and not a yard! You need them to know that YOU are the boss, if they don't... then they will walk all over you! You cannot be soft! They need to learn respect. And remember... they are cheeky ponies!

I wouldn't be without mine, and I am definitely thinking about getting another (nearly cob sale time!!!!! yipeee)
 
Sorry to hijack your thread OP, but does anyone know about Synod lines? There is a Synod pony on the yard (who is the absolute epitome of a D, wouldn't mistake him for anything else!) bright chestnut with 4 whites.
 
Maesmynach are known for being quite hard work but exceptionally talented (and big!) My friend has a Maesmynach crossed with a warmblood and he lives up to this - my friend, an amateur who had never been that far before bought him as a 5 year old and took him to intermediate and he is now showing her 11 year old daughter the ropes but he's a total loon on the ground.

He's not nasty at all, in fact he has perfect manners with humans, the problem is when he's left to his own devices. He has 'unloaded' himself from the trailer through the jockey door twice (having jumped over the breast bar once and gone under it the second time) cannot be left in the stable on his own and will only tolerate the stable overnight as long as he's amongst the first to be turned out. He will happily be in the field on his own if he gets turned out first but not if he's left out last, he won't eat if something distracts him, no matter how small or temporary that distraction is and even if the feed is left in his stable all night. He has to be tied up with 3 different methods so that you have time to do the first two back up before he manages to get the third undone - and can't be tied up and left unattended for this very reason. If he goes somewhere alone he's fine but if he goes somewhere with a friend he turns into the world's most needy, clingy horse. The only way we could get him to eat when we went to camp was to tie both him and my horse up in the one stable to have their feeds and to tie their hay nets right next each other either side of the grill so that he was no further than 6" away from my horse at all times. He's a sweetie and so talented but is incredibly draining to deal with!
 
annagain said:
Your mare's great great grandma, Maylord Charm, was my old boy's grandma. We're related :D
Her breeding is very strong with some classic stallions in there - Pentre Eiddwen Comet, Parc Dafydd and Cahn Dafydd are renowned stallions from the 50s, 60s and 70s (and also pretty prolific - just look at their progeny lists to see how many). Quite surprised there's no Nebo, Derwen or Llanarth at all, one or another usually pops up. Having said that, the lines all mix at some point. Pentre Eiddwen Comet was Nebo Black Magic's sire and when people say Nebo are everywhere, they usually mean Nebo Black Magic is everywhere (he was responsible for well over 150 Welsh Cobs on his own) so it follows that PEC's blood is everywhere!

Mine was mostly Llanarth and he was a certifiable nutcase but not a nasty bone in his body. He was never spooky or sharp, just ridiculously excitable. We spent a lot of time on 2 legs but I never fell off him because of anything he did, it was usually a freak accident (like my friend losing control of her horse and galloping into us flat out, knocking me off!) Coincidentally, my friend owned his dam (we didn't know each other at the time) and she was exactly the same. His full sister was an RDA pony.

There used to be a really good webpage that had a list of stallions both historic and current but I can't find it at all now.
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ha she's related to Frank too rhosfarch frenin and the cathedine side ;) we've no real nebo and no llanarth or derwen to speak of too ;)

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/waundafydd+glyndwr

there is an fab old welsh pony photos group of facebook if you want to hunt any ancestory pics.
 
ester said:
ha she's related to Frank too rhosfarch frenin and the cathedine side ;) we've no real nebo and no llanarth or derwen to speak of too ;)

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/waundafydd+glyndwr

there is an fab old welsh pony photos group of facebook if you want to hunt any ancestory pics.
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And Frank's related to my old Eb too with Pentre Eiddwen Comet and Nebo Black Magic http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/sheadon+ebony.

I bet every Welsh Cob on here would be related to every other one within a few generations if we did a survey, the gene pool really isn't that big - I'm sure that explains the nuttiness!
 
It isn't that big but then in some ways I am surprised that they aren't more related/you have to go a fair way back at times.
 
True, but Eb would be 38 if he was still around so one or two generations for him would be 4 or 5 for the ones around today.
 
My welsh cob X mare has Llanarth / Cathedine bloodlines. She can be a complete saint but she can be very spooky and reactive. She is also most definitely the boss out in the field. She is quite small at 13.2hh but has a massive personality (and is very, very pretty!). :)
 
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