What exactly is parelli, and why does everyone seem to hate it?

I think we agree on it all sandi ;) ......... that was what I was meaning, I was just being lazy and expanding on what you said ;) . I am tired too..... 11 hours (mostly in the dark) driving on sunday taking my grandaughter back to york caught up on me today :rolleyes:
 
tazzle said:
I think we agree on it all sandi ;) ......... that was what I was meaning, I was just being lazy and expanding on what you said ;) . I am tired too..... 11 hours (mostly in the dark) driving on sunday taking my grandaughter back to york caught up on me today :rolleyes:
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Glad we agree! Just got back into the horsey life recently and am spending a lot of time at the yard, my brain and body are not used to all the hard work anymore! :p Think we will both sleep well tonight then! hee hee :)
 
Whatever you think of P&L Parelli, there have been soem very fantastic horsemen and horsewomen come out of the Parelli system and are doing their own things now.

Judge the individual that is on front of you and what they are doing, not the whole system.

I've seen a BHS instructor, wearing BHS badges on his fleece, thrash a pony so badly it couldn't be touched for a week and had inch wide weals all over it's body and been very emotionally traumatised.

So there's good and bad in all organisations and approaches.
 
sandi_84 said:
Glad we agree! Just got back into the horsey life recently and am spending a lot of time at the yard, my brain and body are not used to all the hard work anymore! :p Think we will both sleep well tonight then! hee hee :)
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welcome back to horsey life :) :) :) ...... who need a gym to get fit when you have hay bales to toss, poo to pick and water buckets to lift .... and thats before you can ride the 'oss :D
 
Re the clip of LP 'clunking' the half blind horse called Barney, that someone mentioned is impossible to find on YouTube: I have heard that is apparently contained within the dvd's or videos that make up the teaching material for the Level 1 course. I would imagine that if this is true, it will be the older versions, rather than the stuff put out now, which has probably been rigorously edited by the marketing 'police'.
The mind boggles that this kind of abuse is actually 'taught', rather than being accidently caught on tape.
The horse that I saw PP doing some lovely work with last week on H&C wasn't the chestnut SJ, it was a bay TB owned by a young girl, not sure how old the prog is but showed PP to have wonderful feel for this particular horse.
Still doesn't excuse what he did to Catwalk though :( and I would rather steer clear.
Do admire Monty Roberts/Kelly Marks, much more commonsense approach to non violent horsemanship, and thankfully free of gadgets and media hype. The Dually halter is frequently used in demos but there is no pressure to buy or use it in order to benefit from their techniques.
 
team barney said:
The way Pat and Linda treat horses, and the way a large percentage of their follows treat horses disgusts me

A few reasons...

The think it acceptable to rag a half blind horse around the head with a rope,

The hit every horse featured in their DVD's multiple times, using with a mixture of rope and stick weapons as well as their bare hands.

Backing and riding immature two year olds in the shortest time frame possible and in front of crowds just so the can sell tickets.

Teach their students how to "wiggle" the rope so the metal clip smacks their horse in the jaw with full power.

They way they treated Catwalk.

Jumping tiny foals over large solid obstacles.

I could go on.
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spot on and couldnt of been said better
 
brucea said:
Whatever you think of P&L Parelli, there have been soem very fantastic horsemen and horsewomen come out of the Parelli system and are doing their own things now.

Judge the individual that is on front of you and what they are doing, not the whole system.

I've seen a BHS instructor, wearing BHS badges on his fleece, thrash a pony so badly it couldn't be touched for a week and had inch wide weals all over it's body and been very emotionally traumatised.

So there's good and bad in all organisations and approaches.
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Horrendous, can i ask you did you do anything about what you saw ?
 
brucea said:
Whatever you think of P&L Parelli, there have been soem very fantastic horsemen and horsewomen come out of the Parelli system and are doing their own things now.
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It's interesting - some of these people look, to my eyes at least, to have a much finer "feel" than I have ever seen Pat or (especially) Linda display. I don't necessarily agree with all the methods they use, or the principles underlying them, but they seem to be better horsemen and women than the two bods at the top of the organization.

Judge the individual that is on front of you and what they are doing, not the whole system.
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Okay, but isn't the system which trains and moulds these individuals just as deserving of scrutiny and (if necessary) criticism?
 
debsg said:
Re the clip of LP 'clunking' the half blind horse called Barney, that someone mentioned is impossible to find on YouTube: I have heard that is apparently contained within the dvd's or videos that make up the teaching material for the Level 1 course. I would imagine that if this is true, it will be the older versions, rather than the stuff put out now, which has probably been rigorously edited by the marketing 'police'.
The mind boggles that this kind of abuse is actually 'taught', rather than being accidently caught on tape.
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You're right - the Barney clip was part of an older set of training DVDs. Nevertheless they clearly believed at the time - and, as far as I know, continue to believe - this kind of treatment is justifiable. Maybe someone with access to the latest teaching material can confirm whether the skill of "clunking" (jerking the leadrope so vigorously that the metal clip hits the horse) is still taught.
 
Yes, it is Fburton. A very nice lady came on one of my clinics this year who had been having recent training with a Parelli professional and was being taught this (as a phase that should get lighter).
 
team barney said:
One of the tamer videos...

http://youtu.be/7ueprRcH5B4

still a disgusting display of "horsemanship"

Parelli in is true form (how it is practised by it's founders) is perfect for creating an unthinking emotionless robot who would walk into a wall if you pointed him/her in that direction with the command to walk forward, and who would walk of a cliff if asked without a single question.
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Totally agree with this. It is a method that systematically breaks a horses spirit. Cowboys originally weren't horsemen. They were usually poor men who emigrated to America for a better life. Therefore they needed horses that were obedient and easy to ride/handle, without a mind of there own. Nothing much has really changed!
 
can parelli training make some horses nasty? Makes sense it can with all the negative not being alowwed to approach the trainer without getting shooed away but has anyone had it happen to their horse
 
DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON GODDAM PARELLI!!!

The basics are just purely good horsemanship. The waving of sticks, ropes, chains etc are not. It's got a fantastic marketing team aimed at those that do not want to ride their horse but want to feel like they are doing something.

We have a huge parelli following on our yard. Each year we get many women waving sticks in their very confused horses faces, scaring our rough and tough hunters being fronted by a Robert Redfern lookalike in tight trousers, chaps and a cowboy hat. ;). They drink coffee whilst listening to lectures, eat sandwiches and then teach the poor animals how to stand on 2 legs whilst whinnying the American National Anthem. 362 days a year these horses never come out of their fields.

We have been branded cruel for smacking a notoriously randy 3yr old colt and for using a lunge whip to lunge with... And it was suggested I wrap a lunge line, sttached to her headcollar, around a 4 yr old untouched fillies legs to get her to pick them up and stop her snatching them away??? Dangerous for horse and handler, I think so!

The treatment of Catwalk was disgusting. They are no better than Nazi's, brain washing people to think that their way is best.

Don't get me wrong. We have one lovely lady who picks and chooses between 'traditional' methods and parelli and what she has taught her horse to do, ie) he moves himself to the fence to be mounted etc, is brilliant. The rest, utter cods wallop.

Rant over ;)
 
A few years ago you didnt hear a bad word said about Parelli but since then theyve hung themselves, it was just a matter of time. Im a bit sick of the yanks thinking they have all the answers cos they damn well dont. A lot of Parelli people dont ride they enjoy the ground work which is fair enough but shaking a rope in a horses face is just plain stupid.
 
Capriole said:
*Giggles at Godwin's Law post and gratefully accepts cake *
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It was that followed by the 'yanks vs Brits' post (or should that be yanks vs English given the username) :rolleyes: Oh dear! :cool:

Because of course all yanks are horse abusers and no Brit has ever used or promoted abusive practices :cool:
 
Unfortunately it is associated with those who are too frightened to ride their horses and don't have enough experience on how to handle them. The marketing has been firmly aimed at this group. The basics are very much good handling practices but for me that is where my liking of Pirelli ends. A friend of mine went for a dressage lesson with a new instructor not knowing they were a Pirelli convert. She spent a whole hour learning how to get on a horse that had been broken for over a year and competing. Needless to say she never went back!
 
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