rara007
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Oi, sheep hurdles and gazebo are far more sophisticated than what ever your describing
What is the problem with leaving unattended horses at lorries?
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TGM
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Flame_
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There really aren't many accidents, but I bet if you told someone that's where their showjumper was staying for the weekend, they'd have a heart attack at most of the temporary stables.
mrdarcy
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Not sure what the fuss is about. If you attend any endurance event you'll see multiple electrified small corrals where horses spend many hours unattended including over night (you're not allowed to pitch your tent in the same field as the corrals so it's not possible to sleep near to your horse.) What's the nonsense about not knowing what had grazed there before? My horse never gets better grass than when he's at an event.
For day events I always unload straight away and tie up to my box whilst I go to the secretary's tent and after the ride once I've vetted until it's time to travel home. I would never put him straight back on the box once I've finished - he's just done a ride of 3 hours plus. I want him to at least be able to wander around a bit before I load him back into a space where he can't move for the drive home.
You see the very occasional loose horse at an endurance event but I've never seen any problems caused. But maybe that's because endurance horses tend to be very easy to handle on the ground (a necessity because of how often they are vetted) and because they get lots of turn out at home - unlike many competition horses (reading in Your Horse this month that Tim Stockdale's horses might get turned out once or twice a week - seriously?!!!! No wonder horses like these go ballistic left to their own devices in open spaces)
For day events I always unload straight away and tie up to my box whilst I go to the secretary's tent and after the ride once I've vetted until it's time to travel home. I would never put him straight back on the box once I've finished - he's just done a ride of 3 hours plus. I want him to at least be able to wander around a bit before I load him back into a space where he can't move for the drive home.
You see the very occasional loose horse at an endurance event but I've never seen any problems caused. But maybe that's because endurance horses tend to be very easy to handle on the ground (a necessity because of how often they are vetted) and because they get lots of turn out at home - unlike many competition horses (reading in Your Horse this month that Tim Stockdale's horses might get turned out once or twice a week - seriously?!!!! No wonder horses like these go ballistic left to their own devices in open spaces)
muffinino
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sorry, dippy mare here...
Logs????
I don't understand, never heard of this before
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lol, it does sound dodgy! Logs are on the end of ropes - imagine a lead rope (ours are nylon not rope so they won't fray) with weights attached to the bottom (ours are thick plastic sheet filled with sand). It means the rope slides up and down the ring rather than being statically attached. It prevents them getting caught up, we never had a problem whilst using them - I am going to make on for T for shows! It's an old fashioned device, nowadays they're mostly used by driving people
sorry, dippy mare here...
Logs????
I don't understand, never heard of this before
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lol, it does sound dodgy! Logs are on the end of ropes - imagine a lead rope (ours are nylon not rope so they won't fray) with weights attached to the bottom (ours are thick plastic sheet filled with sand). It means the rope slides up and down the ring rather than being statically attached. It prevents them getting caught up, we never had a problem whilst using them - I am going to make on for T for shows! It's an old fashioned device, nowadays they're mostly used by driving people
rara007
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I have pictures of whole fields of us, but not sure its fair to post pictures of others, Here is our converted battle wagon actually from the army
) Same both sides. We have changed the clips on the doors now.
You can kindof see what is here- spoilt shetty had a mini field of sheep hurdles, and the stabling open, he escaped under the stabling.
Im finding some of other arrangements.
A WB horse stalled
Lorry stabling left, hurdles and gazebo right
Hurdles and the lorry
No horses here as they had stables (Which were not really stables, more like tents
But someone elses lorry stabling is up
NB- This isn't really related to the issue of leaving tied up at lorries, but you asked!
You can kindof see what is here- spoilt shetty had a mini field of sheep hurdles, and the stabling open, he escaped under the stabling.
Im finding some of other arrangements.
A WB horse stalled
Lorry stabling left, hurdles and gazebo right
Hurdles and the lorry
No horses here as they had stables (Which were not really stables, more like tents
NB- This isn't really related to the issue of leaving tied up at lorries, but you asked!
bailey14
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Sorry but I always leave my horse tied up outside to my trailer. He never causes any problems so long as he has a haylage net. None of the other horses I owned had a problem either, they were expected to stand tied up and managed it without a problem. The most we are talking is a couple of hours, I can't really see why a well behaved and trained horse would find that such a problem. The only time he creates is if I leave him in the trailer with a net, then he paws the floor because he wants to go outside, so I tie him up to the trailer with bailing twine. He wears a leather headcollar with quick release safety clip (as he always does) and his net is tied high with bailing twine. If its warm he has access to water and I try to park in shade, and if its wet/cold he wears a rug. Simple. If he pulls back and breaks the twine (which he did once) then he doesn'tt go far anyway, he is a typical warmblood and he is food orientated and knows where his net is. Why would he leave it? If I am having a coffee in the restaurant in between classes I try to sit by the window so I can look out on the carpark, or if I can't see him I pop outside every so often to check he's okay. It never fails to suprise me how many people don't have horses that politely stand still, and how many people have horses that won't load. IMO I can't think of anything worse.
bailey14
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Wow I love your tent, I want one!!
bailey14
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I think what she is referring to when she says logs is the old fashioned way the army used to tie up horses in stalls. The horses wore normal headcollars with a long lead rope attached with the other end passed through a tie ring and then attached to a 'log', brick or lead weight. When the horse walked backwards or lay down the slack on the rope was taken up with the weight of the object tied onto the rope. Hope that makes sense. I think its a brilliant idea myself.
littlespritz
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It very much depends on the show...after two accidents at towerlands i NEVER tie up there or leave my horse alone, altho at RC shows ect i do because you can keep an eye on them tied up from a distance and there are loads of people about. Once i was doin the NC out side at T and my little welsh cob ( companion as he is normally so good!) was left in lorry with gates shut, approching oxer perfect stide to see fred cantering down towards the warm up, got a pole, retiered and went to find the naughty pony causing caos letting no one near him ( apparently hes beaten!) then a few weeks later horse was tied up and i was sitting on the ramp smoking, large warmblood flies of the posh JW lorry nocks groom flying i rush to grab my horse as it tits about as i go in for the grab horse pulls back and legs it with posh WB all the way across fields i didnt no towerlands even owned, i got sworn at by groom who said it was my fault as my horse was tied up. made me a bit angry as i was with her, not my fault she cant control her WB!
ester
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We don't tie up and leave unattended but this is because mare has history of pulling back and even though she goes weekly can still be funny about lorries.
Some food for thought though at Stockland lovell I have twice seen them land the helicopter air ambulance next to the box park. - cue rather scarey moments, I was at the other end of the field but we heard no notice it was coming in and if your horse was tied near there and you were walking the course? I saw some very panicky horses that day and they appeared to be unattended, am not sure if any broke free.
It just made me think and although I would happily do it with my pone who is good as gold it kind of put me off. In this situ they may have been better in a lorry or trailer, but poss not in trailer with front window open as they could see it come down? am not sure but it makes a hell of a noise and is not something most will have come across.
I think its fab how the MGA/PPC ponies always get there little elecy pens all next to eachother they compete at a venue near us throughout the summer and as far as I know rarely get problems. Not sure I would trust mine that much though!
If I am at a venue with stables and know that I will want to leave mine unattended a lot, like to help my mum warm up or to watch etc I tend to book one for the day, or at one venue I help and then get a stable, this keeps pony happy whilst he is waiting and I don't worry bout him then. Unfortunately this is mostly not poss.
Some food for thought though at Stockland lovell I have twice seen them land the helicopter air ambulance next to the box park. - cue rather scarey moments, I was at the other end of the field but we heard no notice it was coming in and if your horse was tied near there and you were walking the course? I saw some very panicky horses that day and they appeared to be unattended, am not sure if any broke free.
It just made me think and although I would happily do it with my pone who is good as gold it kind of put me off. In this situ they may have been better in a lorry or trailer, but poss not in trailer with front window open as they could see it come down? am not sure but it makes a hell of a noise and is not something most will have come across.
I think its fab how the MGA/PPC ponies always get there little elecy pens all next to eachother they compete at a venue near us throughout the summer and as far as I know rarely get problems. Not sure I would trust mine that much though!
If I am at a venue with stables and know that I will want to leave mine unattended a lot, like to help my mum warm up or to watch etc I tend to book one for the day, or at one venue I help and then get a stable, this keeps pony happy whilst he is waiting and I don't worry bout him then. Unfortunately this is mostly not poss.
Murphy88
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I leave mine in the trailer at shows while I book in, and would never tie up for several reasons
a) Murphy would break the twine as soon as I started walking away if I left him. If he gets a bit stressed for some reason at home, he won't let me leave him without going mental, so tying him up at a shows is a big no. Even without those issues, the grass at the shows we go to is lovely, and we would more than likely break the rope in an attempt to stuff his face
b)Savannah would be ok, but I wouldn't leave her as if something else started playing up she would freak too. I can't tie them together as we only have a trailer, and although they share a field, I wouldn't trust either of them not to start kick if they got to close.
c)The gates at the shows I go to aren't shut onto the road.
a) Murphy would break the twine as soon as I started walking away if I left him. If he gets a bit stressed for some reason at home, he won't let me leave him without going mental, so tying him up at a shows is a big no. Even without those issues, the grass at the shows we go to is lovely, and we would more than likely break the rope in an attempt to stuff his face
b)Savannah would be ok, but I wouldn't leave her as if something else started playing up she would freak too. I can't tie them together as we only have a trailer, and although they share a field, I wouldn't trust either of them not to start kick if they got to close.
c)The gates at the shows I go to aren't shut onto the road.
jrp204
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We always put them back in the trailer with a haynet, only come out to be tacked up and ridden etc.
Bounty
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FYI
Camping polox style (and endurance, from what you guys were saying?)
The horses are all penned like this, no option of stabling. Max 2 pens per battery unit.
Camping polox style (and endurance, from what you guys were saying?)
The horses are all penned like this, no option of stabling. Max 2 pens per battery unit.
jessquoi
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i think its really irresponsible to leave your horse tied up and unattended on or off the lorry but especially off! many of you justify it by saying 'my horse is never bothered' what if another horse got loose and was charging around your saying your horses are so saintly they wouldnt react. i leave my dad/boyfriend/mum/friend to watch them when going to walk a course etc its actually against the rules for BE to event on your own for obvious reasons and i think it should be the same for every event theres no reason why somebody shouldnt be with them at all times, if your not prepared to be responsible for there safety and that of others then you shouldnt bring them into a public place! there rant over!
TS_
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Further to what I said before..
At the local equestrian centre I compete at from time to time it's against the 'rules' of the centre to leave any horse unattended at the lorry/trailer. I personally think this is a really good thing and something that should be put into place more often. Especially as this centre has its gates open all the time and they lead straight out onto a main road that is national speed limit.
At the local equestrian centre I compete at from time to time it's against the 'rules' of the centre to leave any horse unattended at the lorry/trailer. I personally think this is a really good thing and something that should be put into place more often. Especially as this centre has its gates open all the time and they lead straight out onto a main road that is national speed limit.
ester
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Hand also have this rule I believe, I think after a horse got loose and headed for the road
TGM
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Cool - very colour coordinated!
perfect11s
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After safety considerations Ie space and other horses within kicking distance then its about basic horsemanship surely its one of the first lessons you would teach a young horse?? that is to stand tied quitely without stamping or pulling, before taking to shows... the show ground isnt the place to teach horses to tie up........ just my 2 cents
millitiger
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i would never, ever leave a horse tied to the box/ trailer unattended.
i do leave them alone on the box though- eventing i pop the horse on the trailer between disciplines, to course walk etc.
i do leave them alone on the box though- eventing i pop the horse on the trailer between disciplines, to course walk etc.
Puppy
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i know somebody who's pony was doped within only 10 mins of it being left on the box without supervision, with the stuff that is used to put dogs to sleep
hence i will always be wary of leaving my pony annatended.
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How terrible. Was the pony ok.....?
i know somebody who's pony was doped within only 10 mins of it being left on the box without supervision, with the stuff that is used to put dogs to sleep
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How terrible. Was the pony ok.....?
Louby
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I will leave mine for a short period on the lorry (no choice when you have to get numbers etc) but never off. When I bought my trailer years ago I asked why there were no tie up rings on an Ifor, dealer said it was to stop people tying up to the trailer as a couple had been pulled over. Also know of a horse that skinned its head whilst tied to a wagon. It was eating grass and put its head under the skirt to get more grass, something must have frightenned it and it skinned its head on the bottom edge of the lorry skirt.
mrdarcy
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Yep - that's the set up at endurance events too, though in those photos it looks like the tents are in the same field? We have to camp in a different field to the pens - not that I camp. I can usually be found at the nearest Travel Lodge.
Whoever posted that you're not allowed to event on your own under BE rules is dead wrong. There's an interesting article about it in this month's Eventing. You are allowed to event on your own but you should inform the organisers on your entry form and make sure they know which box is yours and where it's parked.
Whoever posted that you're not allowed to event on your own under BE rules is dead wrong. There's an interesting article about it in this month's Eventing. You are allowed to event on your own but you should inform the organisers on your entry form and make sure they know which box is yours and where it's parked.
Evil_Cookie
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I think it depends on the horse or pony, I've never had an accident leaving my last pony unnatended outside the trailer, it was when he was in the trailer being supervised by some friends in the lorry next door that he had a serious accident. Cut his pastern on the jockey door and we returned to blood pouring everywhere. Luckily there was a vet nurse nearby who helped immensly until the vet came, but he lost a lot of blood and was of work for months. If he'd been outside it wouldn't have happened. Accidents happen, i think we can only manage our own horses in the way we think best suitable, what works for one might not work for another, so maybe its best not to judge when you don't know the whole situation...
shadowboy
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I have left mine tied up alone for 5 min of so- they are just as likely to pull the leadrope out of your hand then break free from a lorry- I never go far- just to buy a drink- but shadow would kick the sh*t out of the trailer if her was made to wait on it. But standing outside of it he never once triend to escape. Obviously I wouldnt make a habit of leaving him for longer than a couple of minutes- but the risks are the same when you lead them round or hold them in a headcollar.
dsophiea
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i know somebody who's pony was doped within only 10 mins of it being left on the box without supervision, with the stuff that is used to put dogs to sleep
hence i will always be wary of leaving my pony annatended.
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How terrible. Was the pony ok.....?
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yeah luckily it was ok, but caused the owners a lot of distress
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i know somebody who's pony was doped within only 10 mins of it being left on the box without supervision, with the stuff that is used to put dogs to sleep
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yeah luckily it was ok, but caused the owners a lot of distress
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Donkeymad
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When you have seen incidents such as I have witnessed, you just would never do it.
You cannot possibly foresee when something might make a horse 'play up' Maybe a wasp sting, for instance. I have watched as one horse went mad in it's box, kicked through the box walls, damaged the interior which harmed the other horse. Nobody around that knew the horse. By the time someone was brave enough to attempt to get in, the damage was done, and the horse had a severly damaged leg.
Why take the risk?
And believe me, I have seen it happen quite a few times, and also with people getting hurt due to the horse being hurt and upset/in pain.
You cannot possibly foresee when something might make a horse 'play up' Maybe a wasp sting, for instance. I have watched as one horse went mad in it's box, kicked through the box walls, damaged the interior which harmed the other horse. Nobody around that knew the horse. By the time someone was brave enough to attempt to get in, the damage was done, and the horse had a severly damaged leg.
Why take the risk?
And believe me, I have seen it happen quite a few times, and also with people getting hurt due to the horse being hurt and upset/in pain.
LizzieJ
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If I can't leave my mare unattended at all, I can't compete or do RC rallies etc because I have nobody to come with me
I try not to leave my mare in the trailer because she kicks like mad if I do but I do leave her tied up while I enter a class. I hack to the likes of Stockland lovell but can't take my horse to the secretary's tent so what exactly am I supposed to do other than find somewhere to tie her for 10 minutes?
Tnavas
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New Zealand banned temporary pens made of electric tape after an incident when one horse went through his fence and stampeded the rest.
I leave mine tied to the truck if there is more than one of them - never on their own as they are youngsters. One still wears a bum rope so that he can't pull back. Never had a problem with mine.
Last year at one show a horse tied up too long managed to get it's head under the floor of the lorry and when it put it's head up rammed a bolt through it's eye. Had to be PTS. Bolt was one of several holding the container onto the lorry bed.
I leave mine tied to the truck if there is more than one of them - never on their own as they are youngsters. One still wears a bum rope so that he can't pull back. Never had a problem with mine.
Last year at one show a horse tied up too long managed to get it's head under the floor of the lorry and when it put it's head up rammed a bolt through it's eye. Had to be PTS. Bolt was one of several holding the container onto the lorry bed.
hussar
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Totally agree with gedenskis_girl - endurance simply couldn't function if we weren't allowed to leave our horses unattended for periods of time. I unload my horse and tie him to the back of the trailer with his haynet before going off to find the caravan and lodge my details. I wouldn't leave him on the trailer because he's well aware we've arrived and wants off - there's much more likely to be an accident if I leave him cooped up.
At the end of the ride, he stands quite happily, along with everybody else's horses, munching his haynet while we collect our results, chat, have a coffee etc. Very occasionally there's a loose horse but they're always quickly retrieved - there are always plenty of people around.
We frequently corral our horses overnight - most people will camp or sleep in their trailers/lorries but some go off to B&Bs etc, and just make sure someone in charge has their contact details. Rarely do horses break out of corrals.
Endurance horses are accustomed at a very early stage to busy venues, lots of strangers handling them (vets, farriers, crew), vehicles passing; in 12 years I haven't witnessed a single serious incident caused by or to an unattended horse tied to a lorry or trailer.
Totally agree with gedenskis_girl - endurance simply couldn't function if we weren't allowed to leave our horses unattended for periods of time. I unload my horse and tie him to the back of the trailer with his haynet before going off to find the caravan and lodge my details. I wouldn't leave him on the trailer because he's well aware we've arrived and wants off - there's much more likely to be an accident if I leave him cooped up.
At the end of the ride, he stands quite happily, along with everybody else's horses, munching his haynet while we collect our results, chat, have a coffee etc. Very occasionally there's a loose horse but they're always quickly retrieved - there are always plenty of people around.
We frequently corral our horses overnight - most people will camp or sleep in their trailers/lorries but some go off to B&Bs etc, and just make sure someone in charge has their contact details. Rarely do horses break out of corrals.
Endurance horses are accustomed at a very early stage to busy venues, lots of strangers handling them (vets, farriers, crew), vehicles passing; in 12 years I haven't witnessed a single serious incident caused by or to an unattended horse tied to a lorry or trailer.