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It's a shame that a small group give everyone else a bad name - but that is life I guess and the same goes for people, and dogs of course.
There will always be prima donnas out there but I try hard to avoid them
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Well at least we will look like a very "PC" group:

you on "big flashy wb"
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Stimpy on TB

Me on "mischevious" tb X connemara

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tally ho!! fellow loaded posho buddies!!
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Oh and the fact that we're from Surrraaaaay *sweety* prob makes us spoiled little rich kids non?
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DISCLAIMER:(This post was not a dig at anyone, nor was it in any way serious - just written in jest)
 
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Hunny a lot of ppl think because you own a horse *any horse/pony/donkey* that you are rolling in money!
LMAO! HELLOOOOO because I have a horse I am flat BROKE!

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Hehe....Did you read the article in H&H this week about how to become a millionaire with horses !?

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First, make a Billion on the Stockmarket. Second, buy a few horses, and you'll soon be down to your last million
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First, make a Billion on the Stockmarket. Second, buy a few horses, and you'll soon be down to your last million
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PMSL!!!
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Am I a complete toss@r?

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That depends if you've met Stimpy or not
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mmwwhhhaa

Can we have a WB meet please as I want to meet some sane WB owners!

I only have the hump as she keeps telling me what to do with my horse when she sent hers away to be trained....
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And she beats him around the head!
 
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Well at least we will look like a very "PC" group:

you on "big flashy wb"
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Stimpy on TB

Me on "mischevious" tb X connemara

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tally ho!! fellow loaded posho buddies!!
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Oh and the fact that we're from Surrraaaaay *sweety* prob makes us spoiled little rich kids non?
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DISCLAIMER:(This post was not a dig at anyone, nor was it in any way serious - just written in jest)

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OMG, do you really think we'd be hacking together? The WB would be plodding along at the back, Ren would be spooking at a leaf and we'd be about 2 miles in the distance with me doing my therwell impression. What a lovely hack!
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So - can we straighten this out a bit - a "warmblood" per se isn't a BREED it is a type? So yes like several years ago you had the Hunter Improvement Society type "hunter" and "small hunter" etc... that were not necessarily a particular breed, we now have "warmbloods" and "sports horses" as types with particular characteristics.

However, we also have breeds like Hanoverian and Trakhener that are classed as warmbloods though have a pure breed too?

So, is there an actual BREED of a Dutch Warmblood or is this a mix of breeds from Holland not necessarily anything of 100% an actual breed?

And technically then, my ginger little 15hh as 3/4 TB 1/4 welsh is actually a "somewhere between hot and warm blood" so maybe a tikka-blood (not a vindaloo but not a korma?)

Its soooooooo confuzzling!

Have to say the "in fashion" horses up here tend to be sports horse type coloureds as opposed to coloured cobs...

Heyyyyy - just a minute, as TB x Welsh we could advertise Ivy as a rare pale palomino spotted warmblood? Fantastic!!!! Could make a fortune!!!!!
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Anyway, have to say if I wanted to buy a new horse, I'd just scan for the height and build I'd want regardless of breed - if it was a warmblood so be it, if it was a TB or even a Welsh, can't see it makes a difference as long as its capable of the job I want it for.
 
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Exactly! And are we going to do our bit this year to prove that WB's can event??!!
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I know *god I so dont want to end up eating my hat* or is that mud???
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Of cours WB's can event - it's a stupid stigma that suggests they can't IMO! If and ID x can, then a WB can! WB's have helluvalotof TB in them anyways now! Viceroy was WB wasn't he?
 
Ahem......spooking at a leaf???

Surely more likely it would be one of those CYLINDRICAL (sp) drain covers he finds offensive
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I'm sure they'd all get on just fine and compliment each other.....oh and once they're at the pub on the grass I think they'll all share common ground in what activity they'd like to participate in........
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I bought a warmblood last year - big, powerful and extremely well bred and also an ISH. Well one woman at my yard would'nt talk to me all the time I had this big, flashy horse - he turned out to be a load of rubbish, over bred and gelded far too late and I spent most of my time on the floor so I sold him, which left me with my ISH mare. They all refer to her as 'common' looking etc and doesnt have enough 'quality' to do anything amazing. Well she jumps anything, goes anywhere, has strong legs and feet and a brain - what more could you ask for!! Turns out on closer examination of her papers that she is half warmblood - cor de la breyere - so best of both I suppose. My problem is not really with warmbloods themselves although they are not my cup of tea - it's the people who buy them and presume it will make them better than everyone else and overnight think that they have bought into 'living the dream' - sorry but total bollox in my opinion - any well trained, sound horse should be able to do a decent novice dressage test, jump a 3ft course and do the odd days hunting whatever its breeding. People dont produce horses properly any more they just disgaurd and buy another one with 'better breeding' and presume it can do changes birth. What ever happened to making the best of what you have got, because I for one am not under the impression that I will be up for olympic selection x
 
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If you want a Warmblood - then go get one. The only rider for me would be that it is the right horse for the job and not being purchased to suit fashion or peer pressure

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Here here!!

I think the people that buy flashy warmbloods and do nothing with them are probably the people that get frowned upon as they are just buying these horses to be in with the fashion and have more money than sense!! If these warmbloods are brought for the job intended then i dont think people get frowned upon as much as they need them for a specific reason and not just to be in with the 'in crowd'.
 
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Have to say the "in fashion" horses up here tend to be sports horse type coloureds as opposed to coloured cobs...


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Exactly, and I have been labelled in the same way OP was mentioning, because I have an "in fashion" horse! I think it hapens alot, but does have to be said, alot of clueless peole I have met go for WB because they like flashy movers etc, whish as previously mentioned is a b***er for all "genuine" owners.
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Well I have a warmblood - not a big one (I'm a small person) but he does has flashy paces and is very elastic. I didn't pay a huge sum for him as he is v. sharp and wasn't really suitable for the lots of money/no sense (or ability) brigade. I bought him to do dressage on - not because he is a warmblood (that's only a label stuck on a particular type of European horse which is the product of crossing TBs with native heavy horses) but because his natural movement and conformation makes him more likely to succeed in dressage than any other horse I saw when I was horse shopping.
I've had pure TBs, pure IDs, ISHs, and have ridden Lusos, shire xs, clydesdale xs, ponies of all sorts, etc. I've ridden some horrid warmbloods and some stunning natives. Who cares what the label on them says - its the training and ability that counts!

If this country could get its collective act together and assemble a decent sports horse breeding programme like the Dutch (for example), buying quality at home would be much easier and people would be less likely to go abroad (where years of selective breeding has significantly improved the quality of the majority of horses belonging to the main studbooks).
 
The original term Warmblood came from the KWPN (or Dutch Warmblood) I believe. They are not strictly a breed, but a type of Sport Horse. In my opinion, all Sport Horses are WB's. In fact, anything that isn't a TB, Arab, or cart horse of whatever type is probably a WB. Even little native Welshie's aren't a pure breed. I believe the Romans were responsible for introducing Arab blood into the native breed
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Most Dutch WB's would have an element of Gelderlander or Friesian working horse crossed with TB....along way back down the line
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So - can we straighten this out a bit - a "warmblood" per se isn't a BREED it is a type? So yes like several years ago you had the Hunter Improvement Society type "hunter" and "small hunter" etc... that were not necessarily a particular breed, we now have "warmbloods" and "sports horses" as types with particular characteristics.

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However, we also have breeds like Hanoverian and Trakhener that are classed as warmbloods though have a pure breed too?

So, is there an actual BREED of a Dutch Warmblood or is this a mix of breeds from Holland not necessarily anything of 100% an actual breed?

NO, ITS A MIX OF BREEDS FROM ANY COUNTRY THAT WAS BORN IN HOLLAND.

And technically then, my ginger little 15hh as 3/4 TB 1/4 welsh is actually a "somewhere between hot and warm blood" so maybe a tikka-blood (not a vindaloo but not a korma?)

VERY FUNNY

Its soooooooo confuzzling!

Have to say the "in fashion" horses up here tend to be sports horse type coloureds as opposed to coloured cobs...

Heyyyyy - just a minute, as TB x Welsh we could advertise Ivy as a rare pale palomino spotted warmblood? Fantastic!!!! Could make a fortune!!!!!
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Anyway, have to say if I wanted to buy a new horse, I'd just scan for the height and build I'd want regardless of breed - if it was a warmblood so be it, if it was a TB or even a Welsh, can't see it makes a difference as long as its capable of the job I want it for.

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My mare is dutch, but is made up of TB, Holsteiner and Selle Francais when you look at her pedigree so really she is English, German and French! Looks like the Dutch just stole other peoples horses, mixed them up and rebranded!!
 
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Of cours WB's can event - it's a stupid stigma that suggests they can't IMO! If and ID x can, then a WB can! WB's have helluvalotof TB in them anyways now! Viceroy was WB wasn't he?

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I had a conversation with a warmblood breeder only recently who said that 20 years ago or so, a good deal of TB was bred into the breed to lighten them up..her perception was that this had gone too far and that in fact the top breeding stallions were too lightweight and they would have to start breeding for more bone, which just shows how much juggling goes on with these types of horse.

I was also told by another breeder that in fact some studs have imported Dales type horses to achieve this
 
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My mare is dutch, but is made up of TB, Holsteiner and Selle Francais when you look at her pedigree so really she is English, German and French! Looks like the Dutch just stole other peoples horses, mixed them up and rebranded!!

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PMSL!!! Poor girl!!
 
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But isn't the TB a warmblood if you think about how it came about?

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I can see where you are coming from, but the General Stud Book closed 100's of years ago - I can't remember when though
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Other breeds (not including natives, but talking competition horses) seem to like to mix and match! The Trakehner is probably the most pure bred of all the WB's, due the breeds isolation in Poland during the war. FOr a horse to a Hanovarian, it can be by an Oldenburg and out of a Westphalian, but born in Hanover - hence why IMO the BHHS doesn't make much sense.

Though if you're talking pure bred TB's, this article is very interesting
http://www.tbheritage.com/GeneticMarkers/mtdnaintbdamlines.html
 
I've ony had 2 WB's one was a paragon of virtue and the dearest old chap, the other was a blue blooded Darco horse and I admitted complete defeat with him (as did several far better riders/trainers than myself thankfully!). Why did I buy them? The first was an aged German bred chap who was looking for a hacking retirement home after being a Grade A, and perfect for my OH, he did this to the end to perfection. The second, I admit it, I was caught up in 'get a warmblood to succeed', we wanted to jump and so bought what we thought was the best we could afford - hindsight is a great money saver I think.
 
I think Viceroy was, he was by VIP SJing stally out of a TB mare...I think
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Thing is, many of the european riders buy warmbloods and do very well eventing.

Snoopy for instance, his father is a GP dressage horse, his sire has bred many top class eventing and SJing horses on the continent.

Just talking to a well known eventer who has put her retired eventing mare in foal she too wanted to use a warmblood, but didnt because of the *warmblood stigma* so used a TB line instead.
 
Right…I am competing this week but you two can come and meet me the following week for a lovely hack on the heath followed by a V&T at the Sportsman…Hopefully, (probably the second you see me ride…) you will realise that I am not a horse beating know it all Warmblood owner, but a complete loon on a spooky big horse that looks like a direct descendant of a Diplodocus…though he is yummy!
 
You are right - somebody asked what studbook my horse was registered in recently, when I replied 'Weatherbys', the woman gave me a very odd look and said that he looked like a warmblood. She is pretty knowledgeable so I now assume that just about any quality horse looks like a warmblood. I wonder what his value would be if I 'renamed' him warmblood instead of tb????
 
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Right…I am competing this week but you two can come and meet me the following week for a lovely hack on the heath followed by a V&T at the Sportsman…Hopefully, (probably the second you see me ride…) you will realise that I am not a horse beating know it all Warmblood owner, but a complete loon on a spooky big horse that looks like a direct descendant of a Diplodocus…though he is yummy!

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Might have to give us a bit longer than 2 weeks - Ty and I are going back to basics so he's not seeing a blade of grass for atleast a month on a hack! Need to teach that boy some manners.
 
Hhaha bless him.....he sounds gorgeous I can't wait to meet him!!

And you don't sound like one of those hated wb owners at all.....you haven't mentioned "your 'orse jumpin 6ft the ovver day innit"

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6 foot! I used to be like that on my 14”2 but I had less to fall then…I am pooing myself over 90cm tomorrow….far to high for my liking if you ask me….even for my very talented warmblood dhaaaaling swwwwedie!
 
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