What is you definition of an indiscriminate breeding?

Delicious_D said:
I my definition of unproven is a stallion with poor bloodlines/unknown bloodlines who stands in a field, no real job etc. Young stallions are 'unproven' in the fact they are young and not really campaigned, but with good breeding they still have a worth. You dont just breed with whats in front of you but with the knowledge of how that stallion/mare came about. For instance, dee is a donnerhall x sao paulo, the stallion im choosing is ringo x may sherrif x alekander.
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I suppose I come at it from the point of view that I only breed sport horses (mostly for showjumping), so I use the top lines - they are the sort of "unproven" stallions I may use. As it turns out, I have only used one unproven out of the four I have bred, but he went on to be quite special and is a son of Silvio I. Other types of stallion don't cross my mind I'm afraid, but I see what you mean.
 
When people breed average mares to a an average/cheap stallion to give it a 'job' to do.

Most of the horses on DD!

Saying this my horse is out of a sweet but pretty ordinary unregistered welsh mare by a very nice stallion.
He was certainly worth being bred :D

And dd is prob where I would look if I wanted a little cob youngster to bring on.

So I'm just a hypocrite :P

Dd I am so looking forward to seeing what you and dee produce!
 
HBM1 said:
I suppose I come at it from the point of view that I only breed sport horses (mostly for showjumping), so I use the top lines - they are the sort of "unproven" stallions I may use. As it turns out, I have only used one unproven out of the four I have bred, but he went on to be quite special and is a son of Silvio I. Other types of stallion don't cross my mind I'm afraid, but I see what you mean.
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Young stallions are risky as you never know if they will live up to the hype. You could use them and end up with a crackign horse from a stallions whos stud fee could end up in the 1000's....or risk a dud (in the nicest possible sense).

I've waited to see a crop or two of foals before committing to the stally...i love him anyway but you never know if he passes on his character, attributes etc, this one does. :)
 
Buds_mum said:
When people breed average mares to a an average/cheap stallion to give it a 'job' to do.

Most of the horses on DD!

Saying this my horse is out of a sweet but pretty ordinary unregistered welsh mare by a very nice stallion.
He was certainly worth being bred :D

And dd is prob where I would look if I wanted a little cob youngster to bring on.

So I'm just a hypocrite :P

Dd I am so looking forward to seeing what you and dee produce!
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I need to change my name :P too many DD's :D *sniggers*

Im looking forward, gotta get her in foal first, there is no saying she will get pregnant...ill be gutted if i cant.
 
Delicious_D said:
Young stallions are risky as you never know if they will live up to the hype. You could use them and end up with a crackign horse from a stallions whos stud fee could end up in the 1000's....or risk a dud (in the nicest possible sense).

I've waited to see a crop or two of foals before committing to the stally...i love him anyway but you never know if he passes on his character, attributes etc, this one does. :)
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Lol unused to me is different to unproven. In my sense, when looking at a young unproven stallion, I mean unproven in competition yet (mostly because they are too young at 2 or 3 years of age). I had seen many foals from him though and all were superb.

Regarding Amour G, I really have never seen a poor looking foal of his. I have seen a fair few and Pippa has some gorgeous ones on her site doesn't she. A couple of years ago she had a lovely colt and he was just the most adorable creature. I almost used him on my trakehner mare as I think he would have suited her beautifully, but by then had decided not to breed again. One day I may, he has the most gorgeous outline and he also has an aura around him - a funny humour too - that I really like.
 
Delicious_D said:
I was talking about this at work and my boss asked if i was having IVF :D ahaha!
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Off topic but I had a sheep having problems lambing, I sent a descriptive text message to my 'shepherd' friend describing in detail the vaginal oozing but without mentioning the word 'sheep' anywhere..... then sent it to my mum by mistake :)
 
Delicious_D said:
I was talking about this at work and my boss asked if i was having IVF :D ahaha!
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Love this , I had a similar experiance when I shared a mare with my BF a vet we where AIing her are and talking about it at a party some one on the edge of the conversation thought we where " together" and paying a suffocate to have a baby !
My OH loved this teased me for weeks
 
HBM1 said:
Lol unused to me is different to unproven. In my sense, when looking at a young unproven stallion, I mean unproven in competition yet (mostly because they are too young at 2 or 3 years of age). I had seen many foals from him though and all were superb.

Regarding Amour G, I really have never seen a poor looking foal of his. I have seen a fair few and Pippa has some gorgeous ones on her site doesn't she. A couple of years ago she had a lovely colt and he was just the most adorable creature. I almost used him on my trakehner mare as I think he would have suited her beautifully, but by then had decided not to breed again. One day I may, he has the most gorgeous outline and he also has an aura around him - a funny humour too - that I really like.
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He's just stunning isnt he :) really stands out to me. :) I am lucky i have family/friends all over the country who have seen him and said he is just stunning in real life. :) I've spoken to the owners of some of the foals Amour G has produced and they all comment on their good attitude to life and easiness of character. :)
 
breeding crap from crap by crap is my definition.

I wouldnt breed from anything I hadnt proven in the ring/competition arena. I did toy with the idea of breeding from my last mare (not a maiden, well put together and very talented) but alas too expensive and will be cheaper to buy when I need than keep and breed but thats my circumstances.

If your breeding your own horse to create another for your self that you are going to keep then I personally dont see the harm in it as long as your doing the above :)
 
Buds_mum said:
I just want to hear these phone conversations pahaha.
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haha it was funny, poor RM guy ;)

WelshD said:
Off topic but I had a sheep having problems lambing, I sent a descriptive text message to my 'shepherd' friend describing in detail the vaginal oozing but without mentioning the word 'sheep' anywhere..... then sent it to my mum by mistake :)
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PMSL!!!! haha!

Goldenstar said:
Love this , I had a similar experiance when I shared a mare with my BF a vet we where AIing her are and talking about it at a party some one on the edge of the conversation thought we where " together" and paying a suffocate to have a baby !
My OH loved this teased me for weeks
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HAHA honesty, non horsey people must think we are nuts!
 
I dont breed. When I was looking for my last horse I was met with "why dont you get a mare and then if it goes lame you can put it in foal."

Heard it so many times, seen so many people do it, just because they feel their money isn't lost, often at the compromise of a badly bred foal.

I never get world beaters, we dont need them at ours, good, honest horses with a fair amount of talent are out there, and that's all we want.
 
I completely understand RTE - you do have some stunning horses. A horse, in my eyes, has to be destined for a job. So if you are going to breed, it should be for a job.
 
Delicious_D said:
I completely understand RTE - you do have some stunning horses. A horse, in my eyes, has to be destined for a job. So if you are going to breed, it should be for a job.
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I agree with this but it's perfectly ok to set out to breed a nice ordinary alrounder if that's what you want.
 
Delicious_D said:
nothing wrong with alrounders....but the mare and stallion should be of good quality
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I think what I am trying to say is people shouldnt breed to be an alrounder as many horses bred to be high level comp horses that dont make it make perfect alround horses :D

Otherwise you get lesser bred horses as alrounders and less talented comp horses as allrounders and then there is loads of horses a bit like now. I think europe have the right idea :)
 
Nightmare before Christmas said:
There are plenty of those out there already they dont need breeding till we run out of the ones we have already ;) :)
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Hmm i dont really agree, the market is flooded with exracers who are marketed as allrounders (ive know a fair few to whom poles on the ground would mean you die) and also alot of cobs again marketed as allrounders yes at a lower level or someone who doesnt want to compete about 2ft6 or novice dressage then fine :) Not picking on those two specifically just what Im seeing.

Anything decent is sometimes priced either far too high for what it is If its coloured it seems to double ;) ) or has issues hence the lower price 'but could be a good allrounder with some schooling' and some you look at the pics of them and think wht the heck is that and why is it there :eek:!!! on their anatomy ;)

Just from musing through the various For Sale websites not speaking as gospel ;)
 
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Black Beastie said:
Hmm i dont really agree, the market is flooded with exracers who are marketed as allrounders (ive know a fair few to whom poles on the ground would mean you die) and also alot of cobs again marketed as allrounders yes at a lower level or someone who doesnt want to compete about 2ft or novice dressage then fine :) Not picking on those two specifically just what Im seeing.

Anything decent is sometimes priced either far too high for what it is If its coloured it seems to double ;) ) or has issues hence the lower price 'but could be a good allrounder with some schooling' and some you look at the pics of them and think wht the heck is that and why is it there :eek:!!! on their anatomy ;)

Just from musing through the various For Sale websites not speaking as gospel ;)
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Hmm true! There are alot of allrounders! I too have been browsing sales sites as looking for something for myself and there is an awful lot of allround types but nothing that has caught my eye as a young comp prospect. I guess horses for courses
 
Goldenstar said:
People have the right to breed from a nice alrounder they own rather than wading through legions of c**p to find a horse if that's what they chose to spend there money doing.
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Oh I dont have an issue with people breeding something to keep for themselves, I mean people who breed allrounders to sell on year after year when there is already loads
 
Thank you D_D, I love our boys to bits, sometimes I wonder how I used to cope with a mare! I always love to watch how people have brought foals on, it must be such an achievement to be Sat on a lovely home bred horse a few years on the line, and I can understand that as a reason for breeding. I do agree you need the breeding to start with, this is where people muck up imo.
 
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