What type of coloured is she?

Cortez said:
I'd like a look at Heza Blue Tomcat's pedigree.......
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JoJo_ said:
To go down the basic route of skewbald, piebald or tri-coloured. The OP's horse would be skewbald.
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Tri-coloured literally means three colours (yes, I know none of you are stupid and that I am stating the obvious - sorry folks). See my earlier post with the photos. It's a rubbish term and is about as helpful as describing a solid coloured horse as either dark or pale (it's true but vague).




As far as I know, to be tri-coloured, they must have black in other places than mane, tail or hocks I think.
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Challenge (for anyone who'd like a go) - Please find me a photo of a coloured horse that's not a spotty but has black on it's body (not legs, mane or tail), plus two other colours somewhere on it.
 
Rather irritates me when people still call horses tri colored, piebald, skewbald etc, but not as much as when people refuse to use the proper terms.

These are not 'American' terms, these are the proper genetic terms, and not hard to master!

But nothing annoys me more than any horse with spots, no matter how few, or how the horse is bred, being labeled an Appaloosa!
 
Challenge (for anyone who'd like a go) - Please find me a photo of a coloured horse that's not a spotty but has black on it's body (not legs, mane or tail), plus two other colours somewhere on it.
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Wanted to add - Bend Or spots don't count ;) neither do Chimeras or somatic mutations. :p
 
Cortez said:
Wot's a chimera?
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"chimeras are the result of the fusing of fraternal twins in utero resulting in 2 sets of DNA in 1 horse"

So like where in a twin pregnancy, one twin absorbs the others, meaning it has two sets of dna, and often very abnormal color genetics

So this would fit what Faracat is looking for, but is formed via chimera so doesn't count.

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I would have said tricoloured as well, but I'm old fashioned and can't get my head around all these new colours :D

Faracat, I wouldn't send someone off to catch "the bay horse" without further instructions if there was more than one, so sending someone off to catch one of those without being more detailed is a bit mean! :D
 
Faracat said:
Bay tobiano. :)

He looks like he has sabino too as he has jagged edges to his patches and white flecks in his dark patches. 3Beasties Bay tobiano also seems to have sabino, it's pretty common in horses with white leg/face markings.
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Thanks Faracat. I've often wondered.
 
She's gorgeous OP! Very similarly marked to my youngster (except my boy has a long skinny wonky stripe down his face that gives him the appearance of a rugby player with a broken nose and a buzz cut, rather than your girls pretty delicate star!), I was wondering what his 'technical term' was r.e. his colouring the other day, so your thread has answered my musings :p
I'm going to be cheeky and jump in, and ask what my mare is :D
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Excuse the terrible photography skills - she does have ears, I promise. They're black btw ;) lol
 
Cortez said:
Wot's a chimera?
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It's when twin embrios (identical twins) fuse in utero very, very early on in development. So you end up with one horse but it's actually two horses and if you DNA test it in different places, you find two sets of DNA. Very rare but it does happen.

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This Icelandic pony is a chimera and the chestnut patches have different DNA to the dark patches.

It's called a Chimera after the mythical beast.

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Theocat said:
Faracat, I wouldn't send someone off to catch "the bay horse" without further instructions if there was more than one, so sending someone off to catch one of those without being more detailed is a bit mean! :D
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Maybe I am mean. He he! ;)

However the horses I posted are very different both to look at and genetically, where as bays are just bays really. :p
 
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This is an interesting cob. :D

At first glance she is a black toiano with sabino but look at all her spots! these aren't bend Or spots or LP, they are because she is homozygous (two copies) for tobiano.

So, she's black based (obvious really, although she could be carrying chestnut or not, you can't tell because black is dominant). No agouti - if she had it she'd be bay. Tobiano because the white patches go over the spine and she has four whites and a dark head as tobianos tend to. Sabino because he patches have jagged edges and she also has the tell-tale lower lip spot.
 
My boy has dark grey ears, grey patches (at first glance you'd say he was blue and white) and a few little brown bits too.

He's passported as Tri-coloured but would love to know his exact colouring.

Could I have some hints if I shove some pictures up?!
 
Thanks Faracat :) she's a bit special, a bit cut-n-shut with her dotty bits, and that odd square patch on her side that looks like a jigsaw piece. Even her pink spot on her lower lip has black spots within it! Lol :D Genetics is just fascinating!
 
He's a grey tobiano, but he was born a bay tobiano. If any patches fail to 'grey out' they could be the beautifully named bloody shoulder markings which can be anywhere, not just on the shoulder. For some reason, some greys have patches that fail to grey out, so they stay the original colour. Here's a couple of examples.

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It will be interesting to see if he does have BSM but only time will tell unfortunately.
 
Faracat what dictates whether a grey will go fleabitten or not? I am hoping mine will.... She still has some brown patches from being born bay but is fading fast at only 6...

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her dam was bay.

and her sire (not sure how old he is here, quite young I think due to the mane colour....) http://i1126.photobucket.com/albums/l601/suziq77ponies/Horse_Westpoint_Ragazzoni-big.jpg

Sorry for slight digression from ponies with patches :o
 
what dictates whether a grey will go fleabitten or not? I am hoping mine will.... She still has some brown patches from being born bay but is fading fast at only 6...
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There was at one point, a theory that homozygous grey were fleabitten, but this has been disproven.

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^ Lovely horse. :D

My grey, greyed out super fast and is heterozygous for grey. She was white at two and then started to get fleabites at three. Her sire (who is also heterozygous for grey) is dapple grey at the moment.

I have seen a very elderly grey that started to get fleabites in his twenties. He greyed out very slowly.
 
Would be interested to know what my lad is, he has black tail with a white top half, black forelock and black hocks at the back. His ears are black and part of his brown goes into black as you can just see in the pic.

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Bay tobiano (plus sabino) but has a greater percentage of white covering his base colour.

It can be hard to get your head around, but the genetics are very simple as when you boil it down, there are only two choices. The horse is either black or chestnut.

Your cob is black (hence the black tail etc...) but he also has agouti, which fades his 'should be black body' to brown. the points are always left the original colour as often happens with extremities. Think about siamese cats and the way that their points are dark.

Think about leg, face and other white makings as paint that is put on over the top of the base colour. The way that the 'paint' is splashed/painted on indicates which gene is causing the markings.
 
Faracat said:
Bay tobiano (plus sabino) but has a greater percentage of white covering his base colour.

It can be hard to get your head around, but the genetics are very simple as when you boil it down, there are only two choices. The horse is either black or chestnut.

Your cob is black (hence the black tail etc...) but he also has agouti, which fades his 'should be black body' to brown. the points are always left the original colour as often happens with extremities. Think about siamese cats and the way that their points are dark.

Think about leg, face and other white makings as paint that is put on over the top of the base colour. The way that the 'paint' is splashed/painted on indicates which gene is causing the markings.
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So if you took his white away he would be black ??

We have an agouti cat who is black but when you seperate it's fur it's white at the base of the hair.

So he is a bay tobiano sabino agouti sounds rather posh compared to a coloured cob :D
 
Sorry - I've confused you.

So if you took his white away he would be black ??
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If you took the white away, he's be bay.

If you then took agouti away, he'd be black. (Agouti causes bay on a black horse, but has no effect on a chestnut horse.)

I'd call him a bay tobiano. :)
 
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